RFI - CO2 systems
04-29-2004, 06:34 PM
#21
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Re: RFI - CO2 systems
I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
stuff is high pressure isn't it?
"jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> Why not use a SCUBA setup?
>
>
> "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
your
> > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> >
> >
> > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> but I
> > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> >
> > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> pressure
> > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> tires
> > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> have 3
> > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> tank
> > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> the 13
> > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> week
> > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> that tank
> > to run dry. <g>
> >
> > Dean
> >
>
>
stuff is high pressure isn't it?
"jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> Why not use a SCUBA setup?
>
>
> "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
your
> > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> >
> >
> > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> but I
> > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> >
> > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> pressure
> > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> tires
> > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> have 3
> > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> tank
> > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> the 13
> > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> week
> > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> that tank
> > to run dry. <g>
> >
> > Dean
> >
>
>
04-29-2004, 06:39 PM
#22
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Posts: n/a
Re: RFI - CO2 systems
Here in Ontario Canada, they have to be inside the frame rails or inside
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
04-29-2004, 06:39 PM
#23
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Posts: n/a
Re: RFI - CO2 systems
Here in Ontario Canada, they have to be inside the frame rails or inside
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
04-29-2004, 06:39 PM
#24
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Posts: n/a
Re: RFI - CO2 systems
Here in Ontario Canada, they have to be inside the frame rails or inside
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
04-29-2004, 06:39 PM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: RFI - CO2 systems
Here in Ontario Canada, they have to be inside the frame rails or inside
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
the vehicle body.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
>
> "jasonp" <hick@up.com> wrote in message
> news:Lyckc.31055$i61.29448@clgrps13...
> > Why not use a SCUBA setup?
> >
> >
> > "Dean" <do.not.email.me@post.it.to.the.group.com> wrote in message
> > news:fd3190ho6soivnjsftob8g388nrj62gnci@4ax.com...
> > > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 01:43:08 GMT, "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >i agree with using a compressor instead of canned!
> > > >Who's to say you got enough to re-air before you can get out....with
> your
> > > >own source you can keep going safely enough....
> > >
> > >
> > > Murphy loves going on trail rides. <lol> He's been on a couple with me,
> > but I
> > > wish he just would stay home. <g>
> > >
> > > Murph, as I call him, is especially fond of my CO2 system because the
> > pressure
> > > stays the same as long as there is liquid in the tank. I'll be filling
> > tires
> > > and just when I'm 3/4 of the way done the liquid will run out and I'll
> > have 3
> > > tires aired up and one partially finished. Of course I could check the
> > tank
> > > BEFORE I left, but then I'd have to go to the filling place and pay them
> > the 13
> > > dollars they want. And since I never think about doing that during the
> > week
> > > when they are open, I go out one more time with Murph just waiting for
> > that tank
> > > to run dry. <g>
> > >
> > > Dean
> > >
> >
> >
04-29-2004, 06:50 PM
#26
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Re: RFI - CO2 systems
About twice the CO2, at 3300, certified at 5000. The DOT numbers
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
04-29-2004, 06:50 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: RFI - CO2 systems
About twice the CO2, at 3300, certified at 5000. The DOT numbers
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
04-29-2004, 06:50 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: RFI - CO2 systems
About twice the CO2, at 3300, certified at 5000. The DOT numbers
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
04-29-2004, 06:50 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: RFI - CO2 systems
About twice the CO2, at 3300, certified at 5000. The DOT numbers
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
have to be different to keep it from being mistakenly used to dive.
Maybe you can get it certified.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
SB wrote:
>
> I think there's some issues with transporting pressurized cylinders. Scuba
> stuff is high pressure isn't it?
04-29-2004, 07:11 PM
#30
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Re: RFI - CO2 systems
The only problem is in charging the SCUBA tanks. No dive shop will charge a
SCUBA tank without the holder having a dive certification like PADI leagally
anyway. Also a good tank will cost considerably more than a CO2 bottle.
Also CO2 can be compressed into a liquid form at a much lower pressure than
air, allowing for a better safety margin with a bottle.
I have a friend who has a home-made rig. It cost him about $150 USD to put
it together using a 20lb (if I remember) aluminum CO2 bottle. He swears by
it and it fills alot of tires as well as runs air tools no problem. I've
seen it in action and it seems like it runs forever. He does have a special
regulator that won't freeze up since CO2 will do that when it depressurizes.
Nathan as a welder can vouch for that.
The big drawback is what Dean was saying about running out of CO2 on the
trail. I have a simple fix for that. Buy an inexpensive fishing scale. Weigh
the bottle when its empty and put a tag or some permanent mark on it
somewhere indicating how much the whole shooting match weighs. Fill the
bottle. Each time after you return from wheeling just reweigh the bottle.
Once you get low refill the bottle before going back out on the trail. This
method works. It's how fire departments and the military (well the Navy
anyway) know whether a CO2 firefighting bottle is not full. Oh when buying
the CO2 bottle 20lb refers to the weight of the CO2 that can be held in the
tank not the weight of the bottle. Hmmm....
Look for fire fighting equiment on the net that might be a good source for
parts.
Hope this helps.
Rich Harris
SCUBA tank without the holder having a dive certification like PADI leagally
anyway. Also a good tank will cost considerably more than a CO2 bottle.
Also CO2 can be compressed into a liquid form at a much lower pressure than
air, allowing for a better safety margin with a bottle.
I have a friend who has a home-made rig. It cost him about $150 USD to put
it together using a 20lb (if I remember) aluminum CO2 bottle. He swears by
it and it fills alot of tires as well as runs air tools no problem. I've
seen it in action and it seems like it runs forever. He does have a special
regulator that won't freeze up since CO2 will do that when it depressurizes.
Nathan as a welder can vouch for that.
The big drawback is what Dean was saying about running out of CO2 on the
trail. I have a simple fix for that. Buy an inexpensive fishing scale. Weigh
the bottle when its empty and put a tag or some permanent mark on it
somewhere indicating how much the whole shooting match weighs. Fill the
bottle. Each time after you return from wheeling just reweigh the bottle.
Once you get low refill the bottle before going back out on the trail. This
method works. It's how fire departments and the military (well the Navy
anyway) know whether a CO2 firefighting bottle is not full. Oh when buying
the CO2 bottle 20lb refers to the weight of the CO2 that can be held in the
tank not the weight of the bottle. Hmmm....
Look for fire fighting equiment on the net that might be a good source for
parts.
Hope this helps.
Rich Harris
