Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

> Let me clarify the above massage you quoted. ALL Bosh plugs are JUNK,


.. How many junk Bosch plugs have you replaced? Were they installed with a
torque wrench? Were they the correct plugs for the applications?
I began my career as a German auto tech in 1976 and I prefer Bosch. What
kind of experience is your opinion based upon?
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

> Let me clarify the above massage you quoted. ALL Bosh plugs are JUNK,


.. How many junk Bosch plugs have you replaced? Were they installed with a
torque wrench? Were they the correct plugs for the applications?
I began my career as a German auto tech in 1976 and I prefer Bosch. What
kind of experience is your opinion based upon?
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

> Let me clarify the above massage you quoted. ALL Bosh plugs are JUNK,


.. How many junk Bosch plugs have you replaced? Were they installed with a
torque wrench? Were they the correct plugs for the applications?
I began my career as a German auto tech in 1976 and I prefer Bosch. What
kind of experience is your opinion based upon?
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

Stupendous Man wrote:
>> Let me clarify the above massage you quoted. ALL Bosh plugs are JUNK,
>
>
> . How many junk Bosch plugs have you replaced? Were they installed with a
> torque wrench? Were they the correct plugs for the applications?
> I began my career as a German auto tech in 1976 and I prefer Bosch. What
> kind of experience is your opinion based upon?

My experience is based on both American engines and European and
Japanese....

Jeep straight six ones in particular...

I have seen a whole pile of older Jeep engines come to me for help
because no one can make them run.

When I look, see Bosch and say 'bad plugs', they 'all' say, but but but,
they are the expensive plugs and they are new!

As soon as I toss them out and drop Champion plugs in, the bad running
and missing at idle issues are gone.

Bosch 'used' to be good good plugs and they worked well in my past
experience for some of the higher compression engines, like VW and Volvo
but the Jeep 'thumper' engines just don't like them from what I have seen.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

Stupendous Man wrote:
>> Let me clarify the above massage you quoted. ALL Bosh plugs are JUNK,
>
>
> . How many junk Bosch plugs have you replaced? Were they installed with a
> torque wrench? Were they the correct plugs for the applications?
> I began my career as a German auto tech in 1976 and I prefer Bosch. What
> kind of experience is your opinion based upon?

My experience is based on both American engines and European and
Japanese....

Jeep straight six ones in particular...

I have seen a whole pile of older Jeep engines come to me for help
because no one can make them run.

When I look, see Bosch and say 'bad plugs', they 'all' say, but but but,
they are the expensive plugs and they are new!

As soon as I toss them out and drop Champion plugs in, the bad running
and missing at idle issues are gone.

Bosch 'used' to be good good plugs and they worked well in my past
experience for some of the higher compression engines, like VW and Volvo
but the Jeep 'thumper' engines just don't like them from what I have seen.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

Stupendous Man wrote:
>> Let me clarify the above massage you quoted. ALL Bosh plugs are JUNK,
>
>
> . How many junk Bosch plugs have you replaced? Were they installed with a
> torque wrench? Were they the correct plugs for the applications?
> I began my career as a German auto tech in 1976 and I prefer Bosch. What
> kind of experience is your opinion based upon?

My experience is based on both American engines and European and
Japanese....

Jeep straight six ones in particular...

I have seen a whole pile of older Jeep engines come to me for help
because no one can make them run.

When I look, see Bosch and say 'bad plugs', they 'all' say, but but but,
they are the expensive plugs and they are new!

As soon as I toss them out and drop Champion plugs in, the bad running
and missing at idle issues are gone.

Bosch 'used' to be good good plugs and they worked well in my past
experience for some of the higher compression engines, like VW and Volvo
but the Jeep 'thumper' engines just don't like them from what I have seen.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

"Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:g5DRh.6249$B25.4126@news01.roc.ny...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2RCRh.265$eC.105@trndny03...
>>
>> "Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:WiiRh.6165$B25.4846@news01.roc.ny...
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:qWgRh.5945$bM1.1484@trnddc03...
>>>>
>>>> "tinman" <tintinrao@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1175812171.360267.184210@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Doug. I'm just going to insist he replace them with regular
>>>>> plugs and I'll take the *chance* of the engine blowing up :)
>>>>>
>>>>> thx.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Tin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's no danger of the motor blowing up. It just won't run well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The platinum plugs will last longer but there will be no difference in
>>> the way the engine runs no matter which plug is used.
>>>
>>
>> Not true IF high power plugs are required.
>
>
> Never heard of "high power plugs", care to explain what they are and
> when the are required ?
>
>


Poor choice of words. There are different varities of plugs, some of them
are designed to provide high output. If high output plugs are called for,
they must be used. I agree with you, if high output plugs are not called
for, they probably are not worth the added cost.

I once owned a GM car that needed something special in the plug. The catalog
at the parts house gave a listing for a plug that was missing a letter or
number somewhere in the middle, and this missing digit denoted that the
plugs were "high output". I attempted to use the plugs, and the car would
not run for crap. Since I was not able to understand all of the digits of
the part number, I missed the significance of a digit that was not on the
new plugs that I had in my hand.

I am not saying that the OP needs platinum plugs, I'm saying that there is
benefit in some motors for them.






>>
>> I agree that platinum plugs won't hurt, and they could help. But if they
>> are REQUIRED then they have to be used.
>
> I have never seen an engine that REQUIRED plantinum plugs. Platinum plugs
> are usually used in applications where the plugs are a bitch to replace.
> The are generally good for 60,000 - 100,000 miles. I have seen regular
> plugs used in place of platinums quite often and they perform no
> differently except they don't last as long.
>
>
>>
>> Having said that, I do not believe they are required.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

"Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:g5DRh.6249$B25.4126@news01.roc.ny...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2RCRh.265$eC.105@trndny03...
>>
>> "Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:WiiRh.6165$B25.4846@news01.roc.ny...
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:qWgRh.5945$bM1.1484@trnddc03...
>>>>
>>>> "tinman" <tintinrao@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1175812171.360267.184210@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Doug. I'm just going to insist he replace them with regular
>>>>> plugs and I'll take the *chance* of the engine blowing up :)
>>>>>
>>>>> thx.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Tin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's no danger of the motor blowing up. It just won't run well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The platinum plugs will last longer but there will be no difference in
>>> the way the engine runs no matter which plug is used.
>>>
>>
>> Not true IF high power plugs are required.
>
>
> Never heard of "high power plugs", care to explain what they are and
> when the are required ?
>
>


Poor choice of words. There are different varities of plugs, some of them
are designed to provide high output. If high output plugs are called for,
they must be used. I agree with you, if high output plugs are not called
for, they probably are not worth the added cost.

I once owned a GM car that needed something special in the plug. The catalog
at the parts house gave a listing for a plug that was missing a letter or
number somewhere in the middle, and this missing digit denoted that the
plugs were "high output". I attempted to use the plugs, and the car would
not run for crap. Since I was not able to understand all of the digits of
the part number, I missed the significance of a digit that was not on the
new plugs that I had in my hand.

I am not saying that the OP needs platinum plugs, I'm saying that there is
benefit in some motors for them.






>>
>> I agree that platinum plugs won't hurt, and they could help. But if they
>> are REQUIRED then they have to be used.
>
> I have never seen an engine that REQUIRED plantinum plugs. Platinum plugs
> are usually used in applications where the plugs are a bitch to replace.
> The are generally good for 60,000 - 100,000 miles. I have seen regular
> plugs used in place of platinums quite often and they perform no
> differently except they don't last as long.
>
>
>>
>> Having said that, I do not believe they are required.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

"Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:g5DRh.6249$B25.4126@news01.roc.ny...
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:2RCRh.265$eC.105@trndny03...
>>
>> "Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:WiiRh.6165$B25.4846@news01.roc.ny...
>>>
>>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:qWgRh.5945$bM1.1484@trnddc03...
>>>>
>>>> "tinman" <tintinrao@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1175812171.360267.184210@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Doug. I'm just going to insist he replace them with regular
>>>>> plugs and I'll take the *chance* of the engine blowing up :)
>>>>>
>>>>> thx.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Tin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's no danger of the motor blowing up. It just won't run well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The platinum plugs will last longer but there will be no difference in
>>> the way the engine runs no matter which plug is used.
>>>
>>
>> Not true IF high power plugs are required.
>
>
> Never heard of "high power plugs", care to explain what they are and
> when the are required ?
>
>


Poor choice of words. There are different varities of plugs, some of them
are designed to provide high output. If high output plugs are called for,
they must be used. I agree with you, if high output plugs are not called
for, they probably are not worth the added cost.

I once owned a GM car that needed something special in the plug. The catalog
at the parts house gave a listing for a plug that was missing a letter or
number somewhere in the middle, and this missing digit denoted that the
plugs were "high output". I attempted to use the plugs, and the car would
not run for crap. Since I was not able to understand all of the digits of
the part number, I missed the significance of a digit that was not on the
new plugs that I had in my hand.

I am not saying that the OP needs platinum plugs, I'm saying that there is
benefit in some motors for them.






>>
>> I agree that platinum plugs won't hurt, and they could help. But if they
>> are REQUIRED then they have to be used.
>
> I have never seen an engine that REQUIRED plantinum plugs. Platinum plugs
> are usually used in applications where the plugs are a bitch to replace.
> The are generally good for 60,000 - 100,000 miles. I have seen regular
> plugs used in place of platinums quite often and they perform no
> differently except they don't last as long.
>
>
>>
>> Having said that, I do not believe they are required.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Replacing spark plugs
 

Jeff Strickland wrote:

> I once owned a GM car that needed something special in the plug. The
> catalog at the parts house gave a listing for a plug that was missing
> a letter or number somewhere in the middle, and this missing digit
> denoted that the plugs were "high output".

That missing letter probably indicated no internal resistor.

--
DougW