GA

Ooops! I forgot to mention it... I do have rear drum brakes.

Joe.

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:Qjg8e.14453$L64.6290@okepread07...
> GA did pass the time by typing:
> > Hello everyone, I'd like to thank all that replay to my message. I did
get
> > the job done and I did it myself. I spent about $200 (Canadian) in parts
> > (this included a pair of 6-ton jack stands) and I followed the
instructions
> > given by you guys.
>
> The side benefit of doing it yourself is the toys you can afford with the
> money you save. Like jack stands, jacks, shiny metal tools..mmm shiny
tools...
>
> > I got to say it feels pretty good... and the brakes work great!
> > I couldn't believe the rust on the old rotors but I guess that's what
the
> > Canadian winter does to them...
>
> Anyplace in the salt belt.
>
> > When I examined the brake pads I noticed that the left ones (driver's
side)
> > are in worst shape than the right ones (pretty much nothing left on
them) I
> > guess it's because most of the time it's just me in the jeep...but I
didn't
> > think my weight could make a difference like that... I don't think I'm
that
> > heavy :)...
>
> Both left and right should wear fairly evenly.
>
> > Also I noticed that on both sides the outside pad is more worn than the
> > inside pad. Does this tell you anything? Is there a problem with the
> > calipers? The only pad that had some groves left in it was the inside
pad
> > on the passenger side.
>
> That tells me the two pins that the calipers slide on may have some
grooves or
> rust on them. One pad will wear a bit more than the other but if you can
see
> the difference I'd replace those pins. Remember to put a bit of lube on
the
> new ones.
>
> > Since I'm at it... how about the back brakes? When I had the inspection
> > done they told me they need to be serviced... $85 for it, no parts to be
> > replaced. What does the servicing consist of? Any manual or web page
that
> > tells me how to service/replace them?
>
> Dunno.. you got drums or discs?
>
> Discs are almost identical to the front except inside the "hat" there
> is the emergency brake shoe.
>
> Drums are a bit more complex than discs, more fiddly bits and springs
> that go sproing. But nothing you couldn't do. It also helps if you have
> a drum brake tool (looks like a wierd set of pliars)
>
> --
> DougW
>
>

Mike Romain

Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

GA wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, I'd like to thank all that replay to my message. I did get
> the job done and I did it myself. I spent about $200 (Canadian) in parts
> (this included a pair of 6-ton jack stands) and I followed the instructions
> given by you guys.
> I got to say it feels pretty good... and the brakes work great!
> I couldn't believe the rust on the old rotors but I guess that's what the
> Canadian winter does to them...
>
> When I examined the brake pads I noticed that the left ones (driver's side)
> are in worst shape than the right ones (pretty much nothing left on them) I
> guess it's because most of the time it's just me in the jeep...but I didn't
> think my weight could make a difference like that... I don't think I'm that
> heavy :)...
>
> Also I noticed that on both sides the outside pad is more worn than the
> inside pad. Does this tell you anything? Is there a problem with the
> calipers? The only pad that had some groves left in it was the inside pad
> on the passenger side.
>
> Since I'm at it... how about the back brakes? When I had the inspection
> done they told me they need to be serviced... $85 for it, no parts to be
> replaced. What does the servicing consist of? Any manual or web page that
> tells me how to service/replace them?
>
> Thanks again!
> Joe.
>
> "GA" <gg@gg.ca> wrote in message
> news:4ZC6e.2650$MZ2.416180@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have to replace the front brakes on my 97 Jeep TJ and I thought I would
> > ask for some help here. I have never done it before but I was thinking if
> > it's not too difficult I might tackle this myself... so do you know of any
> > kind of guide or manual I could follow? Also how difficult do you think
> it
> > is?
> > What's a reasonable price if I get it done at a garage or dealership? (I
> > live in Ontario...)
> >
> > Thanks to all for your input.
> > Joe.
> >
> >

Mike Romain

Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

GA wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, I'd like to thank all that replay to my message. I did get
> the job done and I did it myself. I spent about $200 (Canadian) in parts
> (this included a pair of 6-ton jack stands) and I followed the instructions
> given by you guys.
> I got to say it feels pretty good... and the brakes work great!
> I couldn't believe the rust on the old rotors but I guess that's what the
> Canadian winter does to them...
>
> When I examined the brake pads I noticed that the left ones (driver's side)
> are in worst shape than the right ones (pretty much nothing left on them) I
> guess it's because most of the time it's just me in the jeep...but I didn't
> think my weight could make a difference like that... I don't think I'm that
> heavy :)...
>
> Also I noticed that on both sides the outside pad is more worn than the
> inside pad. Does this tell you anything? Is there a problem with the
> calipers? The only pad that had some groves left in it was the inside pad
> on the passenger side.
>
> Since I'm at it... how about the back brakes? When I had the inspection
> done they told me they need to be serviced... $85 for it, no parts to be
> replaced. What does the servicing consist of? Any manual or web page that
> tells me how to service/replace them?
>
> Thanks again!
> Joe.
>
> "GA" <gg@gg.ca> wrote in message
> news:4ZC6e.2650$MZ2.416180@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have to replace the front brakes on my 97 Jeep TJ and I thought I would
> > ask for some help here. I have never done it before but I was thinking if
> > it's not too difficult I might tackle this myself... so do you know of any
> > kind of guide or manual I could follow? Also how difficult do you think
> it
> > is?
> > What's a reasonable price if I get it done at a garage or dealership? (I
> > live in Ontario...)
> >
> > Thanks to all for your input.
> > Joe.
> >
> >

Mike Romain

Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

GA wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, I'd like to thank all that replay to my message. I did get
> the job done and I did it myself. I spent about $200 (Canadian) in parts
> (this included a pair of 6-ton jack stands) and I followed the instructions
> given by you guys.
> I got to say it feels pretty good... and the brakes work great!
> I couldn't believe the rust on the old rotors but I guess that's what the
> Canadian winter does to them...
>
> When I examined the brake pads I noticed that the left ones (driver's side)
> are in worst shape than the right ones (pretty much nothing left on them) I
> guess it's because most of the time it's just me in the jeep...but I didn't
> think my weight could make a difference like that... I don't think I'm that
> heavy :)...
>
> Also I noticed that on both sides the outside pad is more worn than the
> inside pad. Does this tell you anything? Is there a problem with the
> calipers? The only pad that had some groves left in it was the inside pad
> on the passenger side.
>
> Since I'm at it... how about the back brakes? When I had the inspection
> done they told me they need to be serviced... $85 for it, no parts to be
> replaced. What does the servicing consist of? Any manual or web page that
> tells me how to service/replace them?
>
> Thanks again!
> Joe.
>
> "GA" <gg@gg.ca> wrote in message
> news:4ZC6e.2650$MZ2.416180@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have to replace the front brakes on my 97 Jeep TJ and I thought I would
> > ask for some help here. I have never done it before but I was thinking if
> > it's not too difficult I might tackle this myself... so do you know of any
> > kind of guide or manual I could follow? Also how difficult do you think
> it
> > is?
> > What's a reasonable price if I get it done at a garage or dealership? (I
> > live in Ontario...)
> >
> > Thanks to all for your input.
> > Joe.
> >
> >

Mike Romain

Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

GA wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, I'd like to thank all that replay to my message. I did get
> the job done and I did it myself. I spent about $200 (Canadian) in parts
> (this included a pair of 6-ton jack stands) and I followed the instructions
> given by you guys.
> I got to say it feels pretty good... and the brakes work great!
> I couldn't believe the rust on the old rotors but I guess that's what the
> Canadian winter does to them...
>
> When I examined the brake pads I noticed that the left ones (driver's side)
> are in worst shape than the right ones (pretty much nothing left on them) I
> guess it's because most of the time it's just me in the jeep...but I didn't
> think my weight could make a difference like that... I don't think I'm that
> heavy :)...
>
> Also I noticed that on both sides the outside pad is more worn than the
> inside pad. Does this tell you anything? Is there a problem with the
> calipers? The only pad that had some groves left in it was the inside pad
> on the passenger side.
>
> Since I'm at it... how about the back brakes? When I had the inspection
> done they told me they need to be serviced... $85 for it, no parts to be
> replaced. What does the servicing consist of? Any manual or web page that
> tells me how to service/replace them?
>
> Thanks again!
> Joe.
>
> "GA" <gg@gg.ca> wrote in message
> news:4ZC6e.2650$MZ2.416180@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have to replace the front brakes on my 97 Jeep TJ and I thought I would
> > ask for some help here. I have never done it before but I was thinking if
> > it's not too difficult I might tackle this myself... so do you know of any
> > kind of guide or manual I could follow? Also how difficult do you think
> it
> > is?
> > What's a reasonable price if I get it done at a garage or dealership? (I
> > live in Ontario...)
> >
> > Thanks to all for your input.
> > Joe.
> >
> >

DougW

Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
> sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
> belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

That and mind the star adjuster, the little bugger can develop some
SHARP edges.

> A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
> brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

rilly? ;)

> I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
> bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

ditto.

--
DougW

DougW

Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
> sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
> belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

That and mind the star adjuster, the little bugger can develop some
SHARP edges.

> A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
> brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

rilly? ;)

> I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
> bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

ditto.

--
DougW

DougW

Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
> sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
> belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

That and mind the star adjuster, the little bugger can develop some
SHARP edges.

> A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
> brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

rilly? ;)

> I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
> bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

ditto.

--
DougW

DougW

Mike Romain did pass the time by typing:
> Servicing the rears means taking out the star wheel adjusters and making
> sure they turn easy. I find antiseize priceless up here in the salt
> belt and use it on things like that to keep them free.

That and mind the star adjuster, the little bugger can develop some
SHARP edges.

> A word of warning, only take one side at a time apart on the rear
> brakes, they have right and left parts that you don't want to mix up.

rilly? ;)

> I also recommend antiseize on the front caliper sliders and slide
> bolts. This will make the brake wear much evener.

ditto.

--
DougW

DougW

GA did pass the time by typing:
> Ooops! I forgot to mention it... I do have rear drum brakes.

http://www.revbeergoggles.com/temp/b...3zj-lowres.jpg

Should be similar on yours.

The following tools will help although it can be done with your
basic screwdriver and socket (for pressing off the springclips)

Brake spring pliars
http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdbrak04.html

Spring clip remover and a differnt springtool.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdbrak03.html

Depending on your budget I'd suggest getting a rebuild kit
(new springs, star adjuster, clips)

When you go to take the drum off it may not want to slide
off easily, this is caused by a lip that develops on the drum
and the emergency brake is actually keeping the pads expanded just
enough to catch this lip. The solution is to release the emergency
brake cable back at the Y. If your drum has a lip it should be turned.

When you get the guts replaced and are ready to put the drum back on
adjust the star wheel out till you can slide on the drum on with a
little bit of rubbing. This gets your brake adjustment close to
where it belongs. If you leave too much space in there it will take
forever to adjust out.

Needless to say, drum brakes are messy, all that brake dust collects
inside. a stiff brush will knock most of it off, not much reason to
make it factory clean since it just gets dirty again. :)

There isn't any need to push the pistons back in since they return
under spring pressure, just don't push the brake with the pads off
or the little pistons will go shooting out.

--
DougW