Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the dealer?The ring
loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the new housing but still
would like to know.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

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" <joe>" <do@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the dealer?The
ring
> loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the new housing but still
> would like to know.
>
>



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" <joe>" <do@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the dealer?The
ring
> loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the new housing but still
> would like to know.
>
>



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" <joe>" <do@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com...
> Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the dealer?The
ring
> loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the new housing but still
> would like to know.
>
>

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

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" <joe>" <do@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
news:13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com...
> Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the dealer?The
ring
> loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the new housing but still
> would like to know.
>
>

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
#Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the dealer?The ring
#loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the new housing but still
#would like to know.

You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool. Non-Mopar aftermarket
models cost around $2500.00. Mopar ones go for $3600.00. I think it's
safe to say that you should take it to a dealer or a well-off locksmith
who had the scratch to get one.

/herb

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
#Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the dealer?The ring
#loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the new housing but still
#would like to know.

You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool. Non-Mopar aftermarket
models cost around $2500.00. Mopar ones go for $3600.00. I think it's
safe to say that you should take it to a dealer or a well-off locksmith
who had the scratch to get one.

/herb

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:

> In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
> #Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
> dealer?The ring #loop broke and I used the old circuit board in
> the new housing but still #would like to know.
>
> You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool.

You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter programmed
itself just by following the instructions packaged with the new one I
had to buy.

If it requires a scan tool I'd be very surprised.




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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:

> In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
> #Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
> dealer?The ring #loop broke and I used the old circuit board in
> the new housing but still #would like to know.
>
> You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool.

You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter programmed
itself just by following the instructions packaged with the new one I
had to buy.

If it requires a scan tool I'd be very surprised.




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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

" <joe>" <do@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
> dealer?The ring loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the
> new housing but still would like to know.

http://www.keylessremotesonline.com/...productId=2212



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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

" <joe>" <do@peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
> dealer?The ring loop broke and I used the old circuit board in the
> new housing but still would like to know.

http://www.keylessremotesonline.com/...productId=2212



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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

In article <Xns99F89001A12DBxs11emailinatorcom@85.214.90.236> ,
XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
#herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
#
#> In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
#> #Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
#> dealer?The ring #loop broke and I used the old circuit board in
#> the new housing but still #would like to know.
#>
#> You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool.
#
#You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter programmed
Nope. Not kidding. Your '93 is a ZJ, the OP's '02 is a WJ. There are
only 100-some-odd parts in common between the the ZJ and the WJ. 20 of
them are the lug nuts. Most of the rest are also fastiners as well.
Everything else is well, different...

#itself just by following the instructions packaged with the new one I
#had to buy.
Yup. It's easy for a ZJ.

#If it requires a scan tool I'd be very surprised.
....


/herb

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

In article <Xns99F89001A12DBxs11emailinatorcom@85.214.90.236> ,
XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
#herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
#
#> In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
#> #Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
#> dealer?The ring #loop broke and I used the old circuit board in
#> the new housing but still #would like to know.
#>
#> You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool.
#
#You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter programmed
Nope. Not kidding. Your '93 is a ZJ, the OP's '02 is a WJ. There are
only 100-some-odd parts in common between the the ZJ and the WJ. 20 of
them are the lug nuts. Most of the rest are also fastiners as well.
Everything else is well, different...

#itself just by following the instructions packaged with the new one I
#had to buy.
Yup. It's easy for a ZJ.

#If it requires a scan tool I'd be very surprised.
....


/herb

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Herb Leong wrote:
> XS11E wrote:
> # (Herb Leong) wrote:
> #
> #> In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
> #> #Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
> #> dealer?The ring #loop broke and I used the old circuit board in
> #> the new housing but still #would like to know.
> #>
> #> You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool.
> #
> #You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter
> programmed Nope. Not kidding. Your '93 is a ZJ, the OP's '02 is a
> WJ. There are only 100-some-odd parts in common between the the ZJ
> and the WJ. 20 of them are the lug nuts. Most of the rest are also
> fastiners as well. Everything else is well, different...
>
> #itself just by following the instructions packaged with the new one I
> #had to buy.
> Yup. It's easy for a ZJ.

And one year where they didn't have a user method for programming
new keys. Guess which one. :)

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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Herb Leong wrote:
> XS11E wrote:
> # (Herb Leong) wrote:
> #
> #> In article <13ktafujus9r2fa@corp.supernews.com>, <joe> wrote:
> #> #Can this be programmed by me or do I have to take it to the
> #> dealer?The ring #loop broke and I used the old circuit board in
> #> the new housing but still #would like to know.
> #>
> #> You need a working DRBIII (DRBthree) scan tool.
> #
> #You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter
> programmed Nope. Not kidding. Your '93 is a ZJ, the OP's '02 is a
> WJ. There are only 100-some-odd parts in common between the the ZJ
> and the WJ. 20 of them are the lug nuts. Most of the rest are also
> fastiners as well. Everything else is well, different...
>
> #itself just by following the instructions packaged with the new one I
> #had to buy.
> Yup. It's easy for a ZJ.

And one year where they didn't have a user method for programming
new keys. Guess which one. :)

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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:

> In article <Xns99F89001A12DBxs11emailinatorcom@85.214.90.236> ,
> XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> #You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter
> programmed

> Nope. Not kidding. Your '93 is a ZJ, the OP's '02 is
> a WJ.

Some time back I was at my local dealer and was offered a pretty good
deal on a really beautiful '02 GC ltd. I passed but I really liked the
critter. Later I kept thinking about it and even looked at ads, etc.
and asked here for information and comments and I finally decided no,
I'd keep the '93.

I'm VERY glad I did. I believe it will be my last Jeep vehicle...





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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:

> In article <Xns99F89001A12DBxs11emailinatorcom@85.214.90.236> ,
> XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> #You're kidding? My '93 GC remote keyless entry transmitter
> programmed

> Nope. Not kidding. Your '93 is a ZJ, the OP's '02 is
> a WJ.

Some time back I was at my local dealer and was offered a pretty good
deal on a really beautiful '02 GC ltd. I passed but I really liked the
critter. Later I kept thinking about it and even looked at ads, etc.
and asked here for information and comments and I finally decided no,
I'd keep the '93.

I'm VERY glad I did. I believe it will be my last Jeep vehicle...





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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:

> Some time back I was at my local dealer and was offered a pretty good
> deal on a really beautiful '02 GC ltd. I passed but I really liked
> the critter. Later I kept thinking about it and even looked at ads,
> etc. and asked here for information and comments and I finally
> decided no, I'd keep the '93.
>
> I'm VERY glad I did. I believe it will be my last Jeep vehicle...

So far I haven't had a reason to change my 93. :)

Although it does need a new PS box (developed a tick) and the usual
changeout of bushings.

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Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:

> Some time back I was at my local dealer and was offered a pretty good
> deal on a really beautiful '02 GC ltd. I passed but I really liked
> the critter. Later I kept thinking about it and even looked at ads,
> etc. and asked here for information and comments and I finally
> decided no, I'd keep the '93.
>
> I'm VERY glad I did. I believe it will be my last Jeep vehicle...

So far I haven't had a reason to change my 93. :)

Although it does need a new PS box (developed a tick) and the usual
changeout of bushings.

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HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks
Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors
Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge!

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

DougW wrote:
> XS11E wrote:
>
>> Some time back I was at my local dealer and was offered a pretty good
>> deal on a really beautiful '02 GC ltd. I passed but I really liked
>> the critter. Later I kept thinking about it and even looked at ads,
>> etc. and asked here for information and comments and I finally
>> decided no, I'd keep the '93.
>>
>> I'm VERY glad I did. I believe it will be my last Jeep vehicle...
>
> So far I haven't had a reason to change my 93. :)
>
> Although it does need a new PS box (developed a tick) and the usual
> changeout of bushings.
>
Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
making funny clunking noises?

Actually still looking for the source, found the darned neoprene mounts
on the Ranchos were loose *again*. Exhaust pipe has no new shinys.

Very mild clunking sound on heavy bumps.

Still, prefer the higher ground clearance of the ZJ over the latest
models, never did like the WJ--it always looked like someone
overinflated a ZJ.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

DougW wrote:
> XS11E wrote:
>
>> Some time back I was at my local dealer and was offered a pretty good
>> deal on a really beautiful '02 GC ltd. I passed but I really liked
>> the critter. Later I kept thinking about it and even looked at ads,
>> etc. and asked here for information and comments and I finally
>> decided no, I'd keep the '93.
>>
>> I'm VERY glad I did. I believe it will be my last Jeep vehicle...
>
> So far I haven't had a reason to change my 93. :)
>
> Although it does need a new PS box (developed a tick) and the usual
> changeout of bushings.
>
Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
making funny clunking noises?

Actually still looking for the source, found the darned neoprene mounts
on the Ranchos were loose *again*. Exhaust pipe has no new shinys.

Very mild clunking sound on heavy bumps.

Still, prefer the higher ground clearance of the ZJ over the latest
models, never did like the WJ--it always looked like someone
overinflated a ZJ.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
> making funny clunking noises?

Dunno. the rear diff is open on my zj. You do get clunks especially
if the drive shafts need lubed or the track bar bushings are shot.

> Actually still looking for the source, found the darned neoprene
> mounts on the Ranchos were loose *again*. Exhaust pipe has no new
> shinys.
> Very mild clunking sound on heavy bumps.

That sounds like the shaft or possibly a cracked antisway U clamp.
Althought the antisway mounts usually make a nifty creak-pop noise
on either a left or right turn.
http://revbeergoggles.com/swaybar/


> Still, prefer the higher ground clearance of the ZJ over the latest
> models, never did like the WJ--it always looked like someone
> overinflated a ZJ.

The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.

--
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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Lon Stowell wrote:

> Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
> making funny clunking noises?

Dunno. the rear diff is open on my zj. You do get clunks especially
if the drive shafts need lubed or the track bar bushings are shot.

> Actually still looking for the source, found the darned neoprene
> mounts on the Ranchos were loose *again*. Exhaust pipe has no new
> shinys.
> Very mild clunking sound on heavy bumps.

That sounds like the shaft or possibly a cracked antisway U clamp.
Althought the antisway mounts usually make a nifty creak-pop noise
on either a left or right turn.
http://revbeergoggles.com/swaybar/


> Still, prefer the higher ground clearance of the ZJ over the latest
> models, never did like the WJ--it always looked like someone
> overinflated a ZJ.

The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.

--
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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

DougW wrote:
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>
>> Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
>> making funny clunking noises?
>
> Dunno. the rear diff is open on my zj. You do get clunks especially
> if the drive shafts need lubed or the track bar bushings are shot.

? Lubing the drive shafts will presume requires opening it up?

The track bar bushings LOOK ok, but they are as far as I know the
originals. The front ones were all just replaced, probably shoulda done
the rears.

>
>> Actually still looking for the source, found the darned neoprene
>> mounts on the Ranchos were loose *again*. Exhaust pipe has no new
>> shinys.
>> Very mild clunking sound on heavy bumps.
>
> That sounds like the shaft or possibly a cracked antisway U clamp.
> Althought the antisway mounts usually make a nifty creak-pop noise
> on either a left or right turn.
> http://revbeergoggles.com/swaybar/
>
>
>> Still, prefer the higher ground clearance of the ZJ over the latest
>> models, never did like the WJ--it always looked like someone
>> overinflated a ZJ.
>
> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>

I have a 95 ZJ, and got really tempted with a 5.9 but it didnt have the
worlds best 4wd goodies.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

DougW wrote:
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>
>> Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
>> making funny clunking noises?
>
> Dunno. the rear diff is open on my zj. You do get clunks especially
> if the drive shafts need lubed or the track bar bushings are shot.

? Lubing the drive shafts will presume requires opening it up?

The track bar bushings LOOK ok, but they are as far as I know the
originals. The front ones were all just replaced, probably shoulda done
the rears.

>
>> Actually still looking for the source, found the darned neoprene
>> mounts on the Ranchos were loose *again*. Exhaust pipe has no new
>> shinys.
>> Very mild clunking sound on heavy bumps.
>
> That sounds like the shaft or possibly a cracked antisway U clamp.
> Althought the antisway mounts usually make a nifty creak-pop noise
> on either a left or right turn.
> http://revbeergoggles.com/swaybar/
>
>
>> Still, prefer the higher ground clearance of the ZJ over the latest
>> models, never did like the WJ--it always looked like someone
>> overinflated a ZJ.
>
> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>

I have a 95 ZJ, and got really tempted with a 5.9 but it didnt have the
worlds best 4wd goodies.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Lon Stowell wrote:
> DougW wrote:
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>> Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
>>> making funny clunking noises?
>>
>> Dunno. the rear diff is open on my zj. You do get clunks especially
>> if the drive shafts need lubed or the track bar bushings are shot.
>
> ? Lubing the drive shafts will presume requires opening it up?

not axle shaft, drive shaft. :) There shoud be a zerk where the slip
joint is.

> The track bar bushings LOOK ok, but they are as far as I know the
> originals. The front ones were all just replaced, probably shoulda
> done the rears.

That's the problem with bushings. They might look fine but be loose.
Same with suspension bits. I had a pop on the front that turned out
to be a "somewhat loose" lower track arm bolt. Silly thing looked ok
but needed to be retorqued to 130 ft lbs.

--
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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Lon Stowell wrote:
> DougW wrote:
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>> Roughly what mileage does the limited slip on the ZJ tend to start
>>> making funny clunking noises?
>>
>> Dunno. the rear diff is open on my zj. You do get clunks especially
>> if the drive shafts need lubed or the track bar bushings are shot.
>
> ? Lubing the drive shafts will presume requires opening it up?

not axle shaft, drive shaft. :) There shoud be a zerk where the slip
joint is.

> The track bar bushings LOOK ok, but they are as far as I know the
> originals. The front ones were all just replaced, probably shoulda
> done the rears.

That's the problem with bushings. They might look fine but be loose.
Same with suspension bits. I had a pop on the front that turned out
to be a "somewhat loose" lower track arm bolt. Silly thing looked ok
but needed to be retorqued to 130 ft lbs.

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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

"DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:

> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.

I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt gas
mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the mileage
rating below "abysmal"?

The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
used much. I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.

However, all in all, I think my best move is to keep my '93 until it
hits 100,000 miles and that's years away since I don't drive it much
now.



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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

"DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:

> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.

I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt gas
mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the mileage
rating below "abysmal"?

The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
used much. I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.

However, all in all, I think my best move is to keep my '93 until it
hits 100,000 miles and that's years away since I don't drive it much
now.



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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:
> "DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with
>> the
>> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
>> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>
> I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt
> gas mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the
> mileage rating below "abysmal"?
>
> The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
> used much.

I think I've used mine about three times. But it depends on what you
do I guess.

> I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
> lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.
>
> However, all in all, I think my best move is to keep my '93 until it
> hits 100,000 miles and that's years away since I don't drive it much
> now.

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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:
> "DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with
>> the
>> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
>> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>
> I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt
> gas mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the
> mileage rating below "abysmal"?
>
> The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
> used much.

I think I've used mine about three times. But it depends on what you
do I guess.

> I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
> lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.
>
> However, all in all, I think my best move is to keep my '93 until it
> hits 100,000 miles and that's years away since I don't drive it much
> now.

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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:
> "DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
>> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
>> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>
> I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt gas
> mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the mileage
> rating below "abysmal"?

Big engines do not automagically cut mileage... frequently they are less
lightly loaded and can cruise better. Granted, the one reason one would
like the 5.9 might just tend to cut mileage, but that is a leaded foot
issue, not a premium gas one.
>
> The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
> used much. I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
> lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.

The 4 wheel disks are nice, and the '95 doesnt necessarily have flipper
glass as I have a 95 and it still has the full rear lift door.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:
> "DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
>> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
>> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>
> I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt gas
> mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the mileage
> rating below "abysmal"?

Big engines do not automagically cut mileage... frequently they are less
lightly loaded and can cruise better. Granted, the one reason one would
like the 5.9 might just tend to cut mileage, but that is a leaded foot
issue, not a premium gas one.
>
> The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
> used much. I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
> lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.

The 4 wheel disks are nice, and the '95 doesnt necessarily have flipper
glass as I have a 95 and it still has the full rear lift door.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Lon Stowell <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:

> Big engines do not automagically cut mileage... frequently they
> are less lightly loaded and can cruise better.

But in this case the EPA says it does cut gas mileage.

> but that is a leaded foot issue,

Not per the EPA. Their tests are pretty fair, the mileage ratings are
not what you'll normally get but they are accurate relatively speaking,
in other words if they say you'll get 15mpg you probably won't but if
they say one vehicle gets better mileage than another that'll probably
be true for you, whatever your style of driving.




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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

Lon Stowell <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:

> Big engines do not automagically cut mileage... frequently they
> are less lightly loaded and can cruise better.

But in this case the EPA says it does cut gas mileage.

> but that is a leaded foot issue,

Not per the EPA. Their tests are pretty fair, the mileage ratings are
not what you'll normally get but they are accurate relatively speaking,
in other words if they say you'll get 15mpg you probably won't but if
they say one vehicle gets better mileage than another that'll probably
be true for you, whatever your style of driving.




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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:
> Lon Stowell <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Big engines do not automagically cut mileage... frequently they
>> are less lightly loaded and can cruise better.
>
> But in this case the EPA says it does cut gas mileage.

Yeah, and I always trust everything the government tells me from
irrelevant testing. There was a reason why the new epa numbers changed,
but even the new ones [typically lower] are pretty much totally
irrelevant for western highway style cruising where gearing and the
ability to run efficiently at that cruising speed without lugging are
more important. Low engine speed with enough torque and power to hold
that speed without straining are pretty much the ticket for good
cruising mileage. In town is a different story.
>
>> but that is a leaded foot issue,
>
> Not per the EPA. Their tests are pretty fair, the mileage ratings are
> not what you'll normally get but they are accurate relatively speaking,
> in other words if they say you'll get 15mpg you probably won't but if
> they say one vehicle gets better mileage than another that'll probably
> be true for you, whatever your style of driving.
>
The EPA's mileage ratings are fair only in that they are equally
irrelevant for real world driving conditions.
Their city ratings are too high and their highway ratings do not include
realistic highway cruising with a bit of vertical elevation difference
where big engines that stay in top gear cruising I-80 will get better
real mileage than engines that need to shift down to hold cruising
speeds of 70-80.

And no, their ratings do not indicate real world mileage differences no
matter how much propaganda some folks are willing to swallow from not
unbiased sources on the subject. At least not unless your driving
conditions are pretty darn close to their artificial ones.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

XS11E wrote:
> Lon Stowell <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Big engines do not automagically cut mileage... frequently they
>> are less lightly loaded and can cruise better.
>
> But in this case the EPA says it does cut gas mileage.

Yeah, and I always trust everything the government tells me from
irrelevant testing. There was a reason why the new epa numbers changed,
but even the new ones [typically lower] are pretty much totally
irrelevant for western highway style cruising where gearing and the
ability to run efficiently at that cruising speed without lugging are
more important. Low engine speed with enough torque and power to hold
that speed without straining are pretty much the ticket for good
cruising mileage. In town is a different story.
>
>> but that is a leaded foot issue,
>
> Not per the EPA. Their tests are pretty fair, the mileage ratings are
> not what you'll normally get but they are accurate relatively speaking,
> in other words if they say you'll get 15mpg you probably won't but if
> they say one vehicle gets better mileage than another that'll probably
> be true for you, whatever your style of driving.
>
The EPA's mileage ratings are fair only in that they are equally
irrelevant for real world driving conditions.
Their city ratings are too high and their highway ratings do not include
realistic highway cruising with a bit of vertical elevation difference
where big engines that stay in top gear cruising I-80 will get better
real mileage than engines that need to shift down to hold cruising
speeds of 70-80.

And no, their ratings do not indicate real world mileage differences no
matter how much propaganda some folks are willing to swallow from not
unbiased sources on the subject. At least not unless your driving
conditions are pretty darn close to their artificial ones.

Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:11:31 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>"DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
>> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
>> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>
>I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt gas
>mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the mileage
>rating below "abysmal"?
>
>The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
>used much. I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
>lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.
>
>However, all in all, I think my best move is to keep my '93 until it
>hits 100,000 miles and that's years away since I don't drive it much
>now.

i have a friend here in SE Michigan that bought a '98 ZJ w/ the 5.9
and the AWD xfer case

he got around 14 MPG w/ almost exclusively freeway driving and it
required premium gas. he drove it to around 180k miles and only had
to replace the timing chain.

that jeep launched hard ... but not as hard as the SRT8 he upgraded to
last year. but neither one of them ever saw a mile off-road

reboot


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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:11:31 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@mailinator.com>
wrote:

>"DougW" <I.only.read.usenet@invalid.address> wrote:
>
>> The only thing I was tempted to do was to swap out for a 95 with the
>> rear flipper glass and 4 wheel disc brakes. That and the 5.9 V8 :)
>> Every once in a while you can find them for a reasonable price.
>
>I've never had the urge for the 5.9, I always thought it would hurt gas
>mileage. Wonder if it would and if so, how much? What's the mileage
>rating below "abysmal"?
>
>The 4 wheel disks are nice, I'm not sure the flipper glass would be
>used much. I would like the later seats, I think the '95 has the
>lumbar adjustment and, if so, that would be very nice.
>
>However, all in all, I think my best move is to keep my '93 until it
>hits 100,000 miles and that's years away since I don't drive it much
>now.

i have a friend here in SE Michigan that bought a '98 ZJ w/ the 5.9
and the AWD xfer case

he got around 14 MPG w/ almost exclusively freeway driving and it
required premium gas. he drove it to around 180k miles and only had
to replace the timing chain.

that jeep launched hard ... but not as hard as the SRT8 he upgraded to
last year. but neither one of them ever saw a mile off-road

reboot


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Re: Remote Keyless EntryTransmitter?/2002Grand Cherroke
 

reboot <reboot@nothere.com> wrote:

> he got around 14 MPG w/ almost exclusively freeway driving and it
> required premium gas.

That's a killer for me, it's a very big increase in the cost of running
the critter. I noticed the 4.7 V8 has a high performance version that
requires premium and I'd sure be avoiding that model. I'd like the
extra performance but I'm too cheap to pay for it. ;-)

> that jeep launched hard ... but not as hard as the SRT8 he
> upgraded to last year. but neither one of them ever saw a mile
> off-road

Makes sense to me, the SRT8 is WAY too expensive for me to ever
think of taking it off road unless I can borrow your friend's SRT8!
<G>


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