Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

XS11E wrote:
> nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in
> news:448c91c6_2@nntp2.nac.net:
>
>
>>I wasn't there when it was worked on and I was wondering what you
>>use for welding gear. OC torch, MIG and a stick welder?
>
>
> I was at a Jeep Jamboree years back and broke a steering column mount
> on my Jeep, there were guys back in camp who welded broken stuff for
> folks at the rally. They parked several vehicles near eachother and
> used jumper cables to connect + to - to + to - until they had around 36
> volts or more (can't recall how many vehicles?) then the last set of
> jumper cables were used, one to clamp to my Jeep for ground and the
> other to hold the welding rod. The welding rod was a peice of coat
> hangar, apparently the coating acts as flux for the weld?

I love it! When you don't have what you need you make do with what
you've got.

>
> Years later I sold that Jeep and the weld was still solid.
>
> I guess if they needed to weld a heavier bit of metal they'd need more
> vehicles to increase voltage and heavier rod???
>

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

XS11E wrote:
> nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in
> news:448c91c6_2@nntp2.nac.net:
>
>
>>I wasn't there when it was worked on and I was wondering what you
>>use for welding gear. OC torch, MIG and a stick welder?
>
>
> I was at a Jeep Jamboree years back and broke a steering column mount
> on my Jeep, there were guys back in camp who welded broken stuff for
> folks at the rally. They parked several vehicles near eachother and
> used jumper cables to connect + to - to + to - until they had around 36
> volts or more (can't recall how many vehicles?) then the last set of
> jumper cables were used, one to clamp to my Jeep for ground and the
> other to hold the welding rod. The welding rod was a peice of coat
> hangar, apparently the coating acts as flux for the weld?

I love it! When you don't have what you need you make do with what
you've got.

>
> Years later I sold that Jeep and the weld was still solid.
>
> I guess if they needed to weld a heavier bit of metal they'd need more
> vehicles to increase voltage and heavier rod???
>

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

And here I thought GP stood for Gereral Purpose... Guess I was
skeweled.
twaldron wrote:

>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

And here I thought GP stood for Gereral Purpose... Guess I was
skeweled.
twaldron wrote:

>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

And here I thought GP stood for Gereral Purpose... Guess I was
skeweled.
twaldron wrote:

>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

"JeepGuyMike" <jeepguymike@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1150115463.895466.102740@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:

> twaldron wrote:
>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War
>> II.

> And here I thought GP stood for Gereral Purpose... Guess I was
> skeweled.

Both are incorrect as far as I can tell, the generally accepted origin
of the word is "unknown" but there are lots of stories, here's one that
dispels both of the above:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep

The origin of the term jeep
There are many stories about where the name "jeep" came from. The
following two although they make for interesting and memorable stories,
aren't quite accurate.

Probably the most popular notion has it that the vehicle bore the
designation "GP" (for "General Purpose"), which was phonetically
slurred into the word jeep. R. Lee Ermey, on his television series Mail
Call, disputes this, saying that the vehicle was designed for specific
duties, was never referred to as "General Purpose," and that the name
may have been derived from Ford's nomenclature referring to the vehicle
as GP (G for government-use, and P to designate its 80-inch-wheelbase).
"General purpose" does appear in connection with the vehicle in the WW2
TM 9-803 manual, which describes the vehicle as "... a general purpose,
personnel, or cargo carrier especially adaptable for reconnaisance or
command, and designated as 1/4-ton 4x4 Truck", and the vehicle is
designated a "GP" in TM 9-2800, Standard Military Motor Vehicles, 1
September, 1943, but whether the average jeep-driving GI would have
been familiar with either of these manuals is open to debate.

Many, including Ermey, claim that the more likely origin is a reference
to a character from the Thimble Theater (Popeye) comic strip known as
Eugene the Jeep. Eugene the Jeep was a dog-like character who could
walk through walls and ceilings, climb trees, fly, and just about go
anywhere it wanted; it is thought that soldiers at the time were so
impressed with the new vehicle's versatility that they informally named
it after the character.

The manuals quoted were published in 1943. The character of "Eugene the
Jeep" was created in 1936. The first common use of the term "jeep"
predates both of these by roughly 20 years. It was during World War I
that soldiers used "jeep" as a slang word for new recruits as well as
new, unproven vehicles. This is according to a history of the vehicle
for an issue of the U.S. Army magazine, Quartermaster Review, which was
written by Maj. E. P. Hogan. He went on to say that the slang word had
these definitions as late as the start of World War II.

The term would eventually be used as slang to refer to an airplane, a
tractor used for hauling heavy equipment, and an autogyro. When the
first models of the jeep came to Camp Holabird for tests, the vehicle
didn't have a name yet. Therefore the soldiers on the test project
called it a jeep. Civilian engineers and test drivers who were at the
camp during this time were not aware of the military slang term. They
most likely were familiar with the character of Eugene the Jeep and
therefore began to credit Eugene with the name. The vehicle had many
other nicknames at this time such as Peep, Pygmy, and Blitz-Buggy
although because of the Eugene association, Jeep stuck in people's
minds better than any other term.

Words of the Fighting Forces by Clinton A. Sanders, a dictionary of
military slang, published in 1942, in the library at The Pentagon gives
the following definition:

Jeep: A four-wheel drive car of one-half to one-and-one-half ton
capacity for reconnaissance or other army duty. A term applied to the
bantam-cars, and occasionally to other motor vehicles (U.S.A.) in the
Air Corps, the Link Trainer; in the armored forces, the 1/2 ton command
car. Also referred to as "any small plane, helicopter, or gadget."
The term went into wide------ public use because of a syndicated news
column written by Kathryn Hillyer who was working for the Washington
Daily News. Hillyer had been assigned to cover a publicity stunt and
Senate photo op where the jeep was presented to the public. The Army
brought a jeep to the Capitol in order for it to climb the front steps
of the building and show off the vehicle's power. When test driver
Irving "Red" Housman was asked by a bystander "What is this thing?" he
responded simply with "It's a jeep." Hillyer heard this and used the
name in her column which was printed around the country.

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

"JeepGuyMike" <jeepguymike@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1150115463.895466.102740@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:

> twaldron wrote:
>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War
>> II.

> And here I thought GP stood for Gereral Purpose... Guess I was
> skeweled.

Both are incorrect as far as I can tell, the generally accepted origin
of the word is "unknown" but there are lots of stories, here's one that
dispels both of the above:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep

The origin of the term jeep
There are many stories about where the name "jeep" came from. The
following two although they make for interesting and memorable stories,
aren't quite accurate.

Probably the most popular notion has it that the vehicle bore the
designation "GP" (for "General Purpose"), which was phonetically
slurred into the word jeep. R. Lee Ermey, on his television series Mail
Call, disputes this, saying that the vehicle was designed for specific
duties, was never referred to as "General Purpose," and that the name
may have been derived from Ford's nomenclature referring to the vehicle
as GP (G for government-use, and P to designate its 80-inch-wheelbase).
"General purpose" does appear in connection with the vehicle in the WW2
TM 9-803 manual, which describes the vehicle as "... a general purpose,
personnel, or cargo carrier especially adaptable for reconnaisance or
command, and designated as 1/4-ton 4x4 Truck", and the vehicle is
designated a "GP" in TM 9-2800, Standard Military Motor Vehicles, 1
September, 1943, but whether the average jeep-driving GI would have
been familiar with either of these manuals is open to debate.

Many, including Ermey, claim that the more likely origin is a reference
to a character from the Thimble Theater (Popeye) comic strip known as
Eugene the Jeep. Eugene the Jeep was a dog-like character who could
walk through walls and ceilings, climb trees, fly, and just about go
anywhere it wanted; it is thought that soldiers at the time were so
impressed with the new vehicle's versatility that they informally named
it after the character.

The manuals quoted were published in 1943. The character of "Eugene the
Jeep" was created in 1936. The first common use of the term "jeep"
predates both of these by roughly 20 years. It was during World War I
that soldiers used "jeep" as a slang word for new recruits as well as
new, unproven vehicles. This is according to a history of the vehicle
for an issue of the U.S. Army magazine, Quartermaster Review, which was
written by Maj. E. P. Hogan. He went on to say that the slang word had
these definitions as late as the start of World War II.

The term would eventually be used as slang to refer to an airplane, a
tractor used for hauling heavy equipment, and an autogyro. When the
first models of the jeep came to Camp Holabird for tests, the vehicle
didn't have a name yet. Therefore the soldiers on the test project
called it a jeep. Civilian engineers and test drivers who were at the
camp during this time were not aware of the military slang term. They
most likely were familiar with the character of Eugene the Jeep and
therefore began to credit Eugene with the name. The vehicle had many
other nicknames at this time such as Peep, Pygmy, and Blitz-Buggy
although because of the Eugene association, Jeep stuck in people's
minds better than any other term.

Words of the Fighting Forces by Clinton A. Sanders, a dictionary of
military slang, published in 1942, in the library at The Pentagon gives
the following definition:

Jeep: A four-wheel drive car of one-half to one-and-one-half ton
capacity for reconnaissance or other army duty. A term applied to the
bantam-cars, and occasionally to other motor vehicles (U.S.A.) in the
Air Corps, the Link Trainer; in the armored forces, the 1/2 ton command
car. Also referred to as "any small plane, helicopter, or gadget."
The term went into wide------ public use because of a syndicated news
column written by Kathryn Hillyer who was working for the Washington
Daily News. Hillyer had been assigned to cover a publicity stunt and
Senate photo op where the jeep was presented to the public. The Army
brought a jeep to the Capitol in order for it to climb the front steps
of the building and show off the vehicle's power. When test driver
Irving "Red" Housman was asked by a bystander "What is this thing?" he
responded simply with "It's a jeep." Hillyer heard this and used the
name in her column which was printed around the country.

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

"JeepGuyMike" <jeepguymike@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1150115463.895466.102740@i40g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com:

> twaldron wrote:
>> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>>
>> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
>> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
>> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War
>> II.

> And here I thought GP stood for Gereral Purpose... Guess I was
> skeweled.

Both are incorrect as far as I can tell, the generally accepted origin
of the word is "unknown" but there are lots of stories, here's one that
dispels both of the above:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep

The origin of the term jeep
There are many stories about where the name "jeep" came from. The
following two although they make for interesting and memorable stories,
aren't quite accurate.

Probably the most popular notion has it that the vehicle bore the
designation "GP" (for "General Purpose"), which was phonetically
slurred into the word jeep. R. Lee Ermey, on his television series Mail
Call, disputes this, saying that the vehicle was designed for specific
duties, was never referred to as "General Purpose," and that the name
may have been derived from Ford's nomenclature referring to the vehicle
as GP (G for government-use, and P to designate its 80-inch-wheelbase).
"General purpose" does appear in connection with the vehicle in the WW2
TM 9-803 manual, which describes the vehicle as "... a general purpose,
personnel, or cargo carrier especially adaptable for reconnaisance or
command, and designated as 1/4-ton 4x4 Truck", and the vehicle is
designated a "GP" in TM 9-2800, Standard Military Motor Vehicles, 1
September, 1943, but whether the average jeep-driving GI would have
been familiar with either of these manuals is open to debate.

Many, including Ermey, claim that the more likely origin is a reference
to a character from the Thimble Theater (Popeye) comic strip known as
Eugene the Jeep. Eugene the Jeep was a dog-like character who could
walk through walls and ceilings, climb trees, fly, and just about go
anywhere it wanted; it is thought that soldiers at the time were so
impressed with the new vehicle's versatility that they informally named
it after the character.

The manuals quoted were published in 1943. The character of "Eugene the
Jeep" was created in 1936. The first common use of the term "jeep"
predates both of these by roughly 20 years. It was during World War I
that soldiers used "jeep" as a slang word for new recruits as well as
new, unproven vehicles. This is according to a history of the vehicle
for an issue of the U.S. Army magazine, Quartermaster Review, which was
written by Maj. E. P. Hogan. He went on to say that the slang word had
these definitions as late as the start of World War II.

The term would eventually be used as slang to refer to an airplane, a
tractor used for hauling heavy equipment, and an autogyro. When the
first models of the jeep came to Camp Holabird for tests, the vehicle
didn't have a name yet. Therefore the soldiers on the test project
called it a jeep. Civilian engineers and test drivers who were at the
camp during this time were not aware of the military slang term. They
most likely were familiar with the character of Eugene the Jeep and
therefore began to credit Eugene with the name. The vehicle had many
other nicknames at this time such as Peep, Pygmy, and Blitz-Buggy
although because of the Eugene association, Jeep stuck in people's
minds better than any other term.

Words of the Fighting Forces by Clinton A. Sanders, a dictionary of
military slang, published in 1942, in the library at The Pentagon gives
the following definition:

Jeep: A four-wheel drive car of one-half to one-and-one-half ton
capacity for reconnaissance or other army duty. A term applied to the
bantam-cars, and occasionally to other motor vehicles (U.S.A.) in the
Air Corps, the Link Trainer; in the armored forces, the 1/2 ton command
car. Also referred to as "any small plane, helicopter, or gadget."
The term went into wide------ public use because of a syndicated news
column written by Kathryn Hillyer who was working for the Washington
Daily News. Hillyer had been assigned to cover a publicity stunt and
Senate photo op where the jeep was presented to the public. The Army
brought a jeep to the Capitol in order for it to climb the front steps
of the building and show off the vehicle's power. When test driver
Irving "Red" Housman was asked by a bystander "What is this thing?" he
responded simply with "It's a jeep." Hillyer heard this and used the
name in her column which was printed around the country.

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

Peter Parker wrote:
>
> In article <448C2D7E.A5054D0E@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >Peter Parker wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <448AFB0D.4A73EC4C@sympatico.ca>,
> >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> >I have 2 Cherokees, an 88 and an 87. The first with 320K km on it and
> >> >the second with 385K. They still only use one liter of oil between oil
> >> >changes and have lots of power left. We are hoping for 500K before
> >> >rebuilding. Well the bodies will be dead on them before that likely. I
> >> >am in the rust/salt belt.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >>
> >> Speaking about rust. I had my first frame weld job done recently to build
> >> up the frame behind the steering gear. How many frame buildups have you
> >> do in the rust belt up there?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >My CJ7's frame is 'all' a patch. The 88 XJ's floors are plywood.... I
> >am retiring that one for parts to use on the 87 that still has floors.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> LOL!!! Mike I knew you you had a glass transplant but WOW!. Yep. My first
> weld job and I found the crack during my scheduled grease job. I looked up
> and saw the gapping hole crack behind the steering box. Now it's all built
> up around it with 1/8 steel and done REAL NICE.... It's like war wounds and
> showing all your buddies.
>
> I wasn't there when it was worked on and I was wondering what you use for
> welding gear. OC torch, MIG and a stick welder?
>
> --
> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

When I put a winch to a tree branch to lift the original body off the
frame after either cutting or snapping all but one body bolt, the tub
fell into 3 pieces... The front fell off, the floors and tailgate fell
out and I was left with two back fenders on a roll bar hanging from the
tree... It was so bad someone had to lift up on the tail light so I
could close my door.

The repairs on my frame have been done with a MIG. I have a friend who
has welded other frames for me and he is an artist with a stick welder.

I personally have a small oxy torch, a mapp gas torch, a propane turbo
torch and a wire feed flux core (mig) welder for small jobs.

Mike

Re: Reliability Anxiety with Jeep
 

Peter Parker wrote:
>
> In article <448C2D7E.A5054D0E@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >Peter Parker wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <448AFB0D.4A73EC4C@sympatico.ca>,
> >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> >I have 2 Cherokees, an 88 and an 87. The first with 320K km on it and
> >> >the second with 385K. They still only use one liter of oil between oil
> >> >changes and have lots of power left. We are hoping for 500K before
> >> >rebuilding. Well the bodies will be dead on them before that likely. I
> >> >am in the rust/salt belt.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >>
> >> Speaking about rust. I had my first frame weld job done recently to build
> >> up the frame behind the steering gear. How many frame buildups have you
> >> do in the rust belt up there?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >My CJ7's frame is 'all' a patch. The 88 XJ's floors are plywood.... I
> >am retiring that one for parts to use on the 87 that still has floors.
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> LOL!!! Mike I knew you you had a glass transplant but WOW!. Yep. My first
> weld job and I found the crack during my scheduled grease job. I looked up
> and saw the gapping hole crack behind the steering box. Now it's all built
> up around it with 1/8 steel and done REAL NICE.... It's like war wounds and
> showing all your buddies.
>
> I wasn't there when it was worked on and I was wondering what you use for
> welding gear. OC torch, MIG and a stick welder?
>
> --
> Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

When I put a winch to a tree branch to lift the original body off the
frame after either cutting or snapping all but one body bolt, the tub
fell into 3 pieces... The front fell off, the floors and tailgate fell
out and I was left with two back fenders on a roll bar hanging from the
tree... It was so bad someone had to lift up on the tail light so I
could close my door.

The repairs on my frame have been done with a MIG. I have a friend who
has welded other frames for me and he is an artist with a stick welder.

I personally have a small oxy torch, a mapp gas torch, a propane turbo
torch and a wire feed flux core (mig) welder for small jobs.

Mike