L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

I use my thumb and index fingers on a quarter inch drive, kind of like
the bolts some Hot Rodders use on their valve covers:
http://www.speco.com.au/images/AccValveCoverWing.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f0848d$0$6367$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> The torque specs are for replacement of the gaskets with new parts. I
> don't believe they are valid for an old gasket or to slow down a leak.
>
> I use a 1/4" drive socket wrench and my small finger on the end of the
> handle applying the pressure on the old ones. I stop if I see the
> slightest deformation of the metal happening. I have large and strong
> hands and figure my last finger can put the 3-5 or so ft lb of torque on
> them.
>
> When I sneak the open end of a wrench onto a bolt head vertically in a
> tight space, I use mini vise grips clamped onto the wrench shaft close
> to the box end to turn it. This is tons of power for those bolts.
>
> Mike
>
> YouGoFirst wrote:
> > What torque should I tighten things to?
> >
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:47221$45f035ff$422afc51$30912@FUSE.NET...
> >> A quarter inch socket set with universals and wobblies and, of course,
a
> >> torque wrench that measures Inch-Pounds.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "YouGoFirst" <yougofirst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:KDVHh.45605$as2.18634@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>> Not to inflate your ego, but you are so smart. I crawled under my
jeep,
> >>> and poked around the valve cover, and those areas were visibly wet
with
> >>> oil. Now I just have to figure out how to get to all of the bolts with
a
> >>> wrench.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:45eed597$0$3923$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >>>> Seals and gaskets are relatively easy to replace. I'll bet if you go
> >>>> and just try with your fingers you will find a bunch of valve cover
and
> >>>> oil pan bolts finger loose. Sometimes all it needs is a little
tighten
> >>>> here and there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>> YouGoFirst wrote:
> >>>>> If it needs a new seal, is that difficult to replace, or is that a
> >>>>> simple fix?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:deb07$45eecebd$422afc51$27868@FUSE.NET...
> >>>>>> Take a peak down the throttle body and see if there is a layer of
oil
> >>>>>> down there. You might just need a seal replacement.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (Or are you burning that much?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "YouGoFirst" <yougofirst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:Q1AHh.42564$as2.7039@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>>>>>> I have a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee, with the V8 engine, and
burn/drip
> >>>>>>> about 1 quart of oil every 6 weeks. It has nearly 135000 miles on
> >>>>>>> it, and I was wondering what is the best thing to do for the
engine.
> >>>>>>> Should I have the engine rebuilt, or if I am sufficiently annoyed
> >>>>>>> with the oil situation, should I begin looking for a new jeep?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you think that rebuilding is best, can you tell me about what
it
> >>>>>>> costs to have done? (I am handy around an engine, but not handy
to
> >>>>>>> take apart an engine.) Thanks for any help you can give.
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> >
> >



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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

I use my thumb and index fingers on a quarter inch drive, kind of like
the bolts some Hot Rodders use on their valve covers:
http://www.speco.com.au/images/AccValveCoverWing.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f0848d$0$6367$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> The torque specs are for replacement of the gaskets with new parts. I
> don't believe they are valid for an old gasket or to slow down a leak.
>
> I use a 1/4" drive socket wrench and my small finger on the end of the
> handle applying the pressure on the old ones. I stop if I see the
> slightest deformation of the metal happening. I have large and strong
> hands and figure my last finger can put the 3-5 or so ft lb of torque on
> them.
>
> When I sneak the open end of a wrench onto a bolt head vertically in a
> tight space, I use mini vise grips clamped onto the wrench shaft close
> to the box end to turn it. This is tons of power for those bolts.
>
> Mike
>
> YouGoFirst wrote:
> > What torque should I tighten things to?
> >
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:47221$45f035ff$422afc51$30912@FUSE.NET...
> >> A quarter inch socket set with universals and wobblies and, of course,
a
> >> torque wrench that measures Inch-Pounds.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "YouGoFirst" <yougofirst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:KDVHh.45605$as2.18634@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>> Not to inflate your ego, but you are so smart. I crawled under my
jeep,
> >>> and poked around the valve cover, and those areas were visibly wet
with
> >>> oil. Now I just have to figure out how to get to all of the bolts with
a
> >>> wrench.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>> news:45eed597$0$3923$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >>>> Seals and gaskets are relatively easy to replace. I'll bet if you go
> >>>> and just try with your fingers you will find a bunch of valve cover
and
> >>>> oil pan bolts finger loose. Sometimes all it needs is a little
tighten
> >>>> here and there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>> YouGoFirst wrote:
> >>>>> If it needs a new seal, is that difficult to replace, or is that a
> >>>>> simple fix?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:deb07$45eecebd$422afc51$27868@FUSE.NET...
> >>>>>> Take a peak down the throttle body and see if there is a layer of
oil
> >>>>>> down there. You might just need a seal replacement.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (Or are you burning that much?)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "YouGoFirst" <yougofirst@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:Q1AHh.42564$as2.7039@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >>>>>>> I have a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee, with the V8 engine, and
burn/drip
> >>>>>>> about 1 quart of oil every 6 weeks. It has nearly 135000 miles on
> >>>>>>> it, and I was wondering what is the best thing to do for the
engine.
> >>>>>>> Should I have the engine rebuilt, or if I am sufficiently annoyed
> >>>>>>> with the oil situation, should I begin looking for a new jeep?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you think that rebuilding is best, can you tell me about what
it
> >>>>>>> costs to have done? (I am handy around an engine, but not handy
to
> >>>>>>> take apart an engine.) Thanks for any help you can give.
> >>>>>>>
> >>
> >
> >



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Mike Romain

That sounds about the same to me.

'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.

I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
was a cheapie, one wasn't...

Mike

L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I use my thumb and index fingers on a quarter inch drive, kind of like
> the bolts some Hot Rodders use on their valve covers:
> http://www.speco.com.au/images/AccValveCoverWing.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f0848d$0$6367$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> The torque specs are for replacement of the gaskets with new parts. I
>> don't believe they are valid for an old gasket or to slow down a leak.
>>
>> I use a 1/4" drive socket wrench and my small finger on the end of the
>> handle applying the pressure on the old ones. I stop if I see the
>> slightest deformation of the metal happening. I have large and strong
>> hands and figure my last finger can put the 3-5 or so ft lb of torque on
>> them.
>>
>> When I sneak the open end of a wrench onto a bolt head vertically in a
>> tight space, I use mini vise grips clamped onto the wrench shaft close
>> to the box end to turn it. This is tons of power for those bolts.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> YouGoFirst wrote:
>>> What torque should I tighten things to?
>>>
<snip>

Mike Romain

That sounds about the same to me.

'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.

I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
was a cheapie, one wasn't...

Mike

L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I use my thumb and index fingers on a quarter inch drive, kind of like
> the bolts some Hot Rodders use on their valve covers:
> http://www.speco.com.au/images/AccValveCoverWing.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f0848d$0$6367$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> The torque specs are for replacement of the gaskets with new parts. I
>> don't believe they are valid for an old gasket or to slow down a leak.
>>
>> I use a 1/4" drive socket wrench and my small finger on the end of the
>> handle applying the pressure on the old ones. I stop if I see the
>> slightest deformation of the metal happening. I have large and strong
>> hands and figure my last finger can put the 3-5 or so ft lb of torque on
>> them.
>>
>> When I sneak the open end of a wrench onto a bolt head vertically in a
>> tight space, I use mini vise grips clamped onto the wrench shaft close
>> to the box end to turn it. This is tons of power for those bolts.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> YouGoFirst wrote:
>>> What torque should I tighten things to?
>>>
<snip>

Mike Romain

That sounds about the same to me.

'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.

I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
was a cheapie, one wasn't...

Mike

L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> I use my thumb and index fingers on a quarter inch drive, kind of like
> the bolts some Hot Rodders use on their valve covers:
> http://www.speco.com.au/images/AccValveCoverWing.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f0848d$0$6367$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> The torque specs are for replacement of the gaskets with new parts. I
>> don't believe they are valid for an old gasket or to slow down a leak.
>>
>> I use a 1/4" drive socket wrench and my small finger on the end of the
>> handle applying the pressure on the old ones. I stop if I see the
>> slightest deformation of the metal happening. I have large and strong
>> hands and figure my last finger can put the 3-5 or so ft lb of torque on
>> them.
>>
>> When I sneak the open end of a wrench onto a bolt head vertically in a
>> tight space, I use mini vise grips clamped onto the wrench shaft close
>> to the box end to turn it. This is tons of power for those bolts.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> YouGoFirst wrote:
>>> What torque should I tighten things to?
>>>
<snip>

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Yup, I am not put any power on it either.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f09f09$0$31564$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> That sounds about the same to me.
>
> 'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
> experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
> thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.
>
> I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
> finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
> driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
> off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
> was a cheapie, one wasn't...
>
> Mike



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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Yup, I am not put any power on it either.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f09f09$0$31564$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> That sounds about the same to me.
>
> 'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
> experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
> thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.
>
> I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
> finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
> driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
> off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
> was a cheapie, one wasn't...
>
> Mike



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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

Yup, I am not put any power on it either.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f09f09$0$31564$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> That sounds about the same to me.
>
> 'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
> experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
> thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.
>
> I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
> finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
> driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
> off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
> was a cheapie, one wasn't...
>
> Mike



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bllsht

I twist the heads of 'em with my bare fingers.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:34:36 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Yup, I am not put any power on it either.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:45f09f09$0$31564$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
>> That sounds about the same to me.
>>
>> 'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
>> experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
>> thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.
>>
>> I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
>> finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
>> driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
>> off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
>> was a cheapie, one wasn't...
>>
>> Mike

bllsht

I twist the heads of 'em with my bare fingers.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:34:36 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Yup, I am not put any power on it either.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:45f09f09$0$31564$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshost ing.com...
>> That sounds about the same to me.
>>
>> 'I' might be able to go way too tight your way, which I know from
>> experience, so I stick to holding it with the first two fingers and
>> thumb and using the little finger for power on pans and valve covers.
>>
>> I can 'easily' crack the plastic valve covers with just the little
>> finger pushing and regularly gut worm gear clamps when I use a nut
>> driver on them. I am the kind of guy that snaps sider cutter handles
>> off when using them. I have snapped two in the last couple months, one
>> was a cheapie, one wasn't...
>>
>> Mike