Rear main seal
09-22-2003, 04:08 PM
#21
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Re: Rear main seal
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:09:24 UTC "Gerald G. McGeorge"
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
> Most of the time the upper seal half comes right out, UNLESS some moron
> decided to use sealer on it, which may have been what caused Will's to be so
> stubborn. But, YES, be very careful not to nick the bearing surface while
> you're working the upper seal half out. I use an old chopstick to knock them
> loose, then pull from the other side with a pair of needlenose pliers.
Like I said, your definition of GENTLY... <g>. Every one of these
things I've ever done on on heaps has been pretty tight and there's
usually a ring of hardened (baked?) oil on them. Once it moves even a
little you're home free - it's that first little bit that's tough.
For mine, I put a good half inch mushroom on the head of a 7/32 brass
rod getting it out and almost that getting the one out of my son's '91
XJ. Definitely beyond the chopstick working range.
Slightly afield, but I don't recall any tabs on the seal halves - what
keeps them from spinning over time? Just the friction in the groove?
--
Will Honea
<gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
> Most of the time the upper seal half comes right out, UNLESS some moron
> decided to use sealer on it, which may have been what caused Will's to be so
> stubborn. But, YES, be very careful not to nick the bearing surface while
> you're working the upper seal half out. I use an old chopstick to knock them
> loose, then pull from the other side with a pair of needlenose pliers.
Like I said, your definition of GENTLY... <g>. Every one of these
things I've ever done on on heaps has been pretty tight and there's
usually a ring of hardened (baked?) oil on them. Once it moves even a
little you're home free - it's that first little bit that's tough.
For mine, I put a good half inch mushroom on the head of a 7/32 brass
rod getting it out and almost that getting the one out of my son's '91
XJ. Definitely beyond the chopstick working range.
Slightly afield, but I don't recall any tabs on the seal halves - what
keeps them from spinning over time? Just the friction in the groove?
--
Will Honea
09-22-2003, 05:15 PM
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Re: Rear main seal
There are tabs on either side of the lower half.
"Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:09:24 UTC "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> > Most of the time the upper seal half comes right out, UNLESS some moron
> > decided to use sealer on it, which may have been what caused Will's to
be so
> > stubborn. But, YES, be very careful not to nick the bearing surface
while
> > you're working the upper seal half out. I use an old chopstick to knock
them
> > loose, then pull from the other side with a pair of needlenose pliers.
>
> Like I said, your definition of GENTLY... <g>. Every one of these
> things I've ever done on on heaps has been pretty tight and there's
> usually a ring of hardened (baked?) oil on them. Once it moves even a
> little you're home free - it's that first little bit that's tough.
> For mine, I put a good half inch mushroom on the head of a 7/32 brass
> rod getting it out and almost that getting the one out of my son's '91
> XJ. Definitely beyond the chopstick working range.
>
> Slightly afield, but I don't recall any tabs on the seal halves - what
> keeps them from spinning over time? Just the friction in the groove?
>
> --
> Will Honea
"Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:09:24 UTC "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> > Most of the time the upper seal half comes right out, UNLESS some moron
> > decided to use sealer on it, which may have been what caused Will's to
be so
> > stubborn. But, YES, be very careful not to nick the bearing surface
while
> > you're working the upper seal half out. I use an old chopstick to knock
them
> > loose, then pull from the other side with a pair of needlenose pliers.
>
> Like I said, your definition of GENTLY... <g>. Every one of these
> things I've ever done on on heaps has been pretty tight and there's
> usually a ring of hardened (baked?) oil on them. Once it moves even a
> little you're home free - it's that first little bit that's tough.
> For mine, I put a good half inch mushroom on the head of a 7/32 brass
> rod getting it out and almost that getting the one out of my son's '91
> XJ. Definitely beyond the chopstick working range.
>
> Slightly afield, but I don't recall any tabs on the seal halves - what
> keeps them from spinning over time? Just the friction in the groove?
>
> --
> Will Honea
09-22-2003, 05:15 PM
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Re: Rear main seal
There are tabs on either side of the lower half.
"Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:09:24 UTC "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> > Most of the time the upper seal half comes right out, UNLESS some moron
> > decided to use sealer on it, which may have been what caused Will's to
be so
> > stubborn. But, YES, be very careful not to nick the bearing surface
while
> > you're working the upper seal half out. I use an old chopstick to knock
them
> > loose, then pull from the other side with a pair of needlenose pliers.
>
> Like I said, your definition of GENTLY... <g>. Every one of these
> things I've ever done on on heaps has been pretty tight and there's
> usually a ring of hardened (baked?) oil on them. Once it moves even a
> little you're home free - it's that first little bit that's tough.
> For mine, I put a good half inch mushroom on the head of a 7/32 brass
> rod getting it out and almost that getting the one out of my son's '91
> XJ. Definitely beyond the chopstick working range.
>
> Slightly afield, but I don't recall any tabs on the seal halves - what
> keeps them from spinning over time? Just the friction in the groove?
>
> --
> Will Honea
"Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 15:09:24 UTC "Gerald G. McGeorge"
> <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> > Most of the time the upper seal half comes right out, UNLESS some moron
> > decided to use sealer on it, which may have been what caused Will's to
be so
> > stubborn. But, YES, be very careful not to nick the bearing surface
while
> > you're working the upper seal half out. I use an old chopstick to knock
them
> > loose, then pull from the other side with a pair of needlenose pliers.
>
> Like I said, your definition of GENTLY... <g>. Every one of these
> things I've ever done on on heaps has been pretty tight and there's
> usually a ring of hardened (baked?) oil on them. Once it moves even a
> little you're home free - it's that first little bit that's tough.
> For mine, I put a good half inch mushroom on the head of a 7/32 brass
> rod getting it out and almost that getting the one out of my son's '91
> XJ. Definitely beyond the chopstick working range.
>
> Slightly afield, but I don't recall any tabs on the seal halves - what
> keeps them from spinning over time? Just the friction in the groove?
>
> --
> Will Honea
09-22-2003, 07:24 PM
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Re: Rear main seal
What? Maybe in a lexus, but in a Jeep you just pull the bearing cap.
KH
"MudPuppy1976 <"moc.rr.pacyn"@67lamina" <--BACKWARDS> wrote in message
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> remove the transmission and the flywheel, it's lighter than an engine
> and there's less stuff to unplug
> --
> Ben Jerew
> ASE Master Technician
> New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
> Amateur Off-Roader
>
KH
"MudPuppy1976 <"moc.rr.pacyn"@67lamina" <--BACKWARDS> wrote in message
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> remove the transmission and the flywheel, it's lighter than an engine
> and there's less stuff to unplug
> --
> Ben Jerew
> ASE Master Technician
> New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
> Amateur Off-Roader
>
09-22-2003, 07:24 PM
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Re: Rear main seal
What? Maybe in a lexus, but in a Jeep you just pull the bearing cap.
KH
"MudPuppy1976 <"moc.rr.pacyn"@67lamina" <--BACKWARDS> wrote in message
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> remove the transmission and the flywheel, it's lighter than an engine
> and there's less stuff to unplug
> --
> Ben Jerew
> ASE Master Technician
> New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
> Amateur Off-Roader
>
KH
"MudPuppy1976 <"moc.rr.pacyn"@67lamina" <--BACKWARDS> wrote in message
news:gYrbb.138688$7G2.105964@twister.nyroc.rr.com. ..
> remove the transmission and the flywheel, it's lighter than an engine
> and there's less stuff to unplug
> --
> Ben Jerew
> ASE Master Technician
> New Country Lexus of Latham, NY
> Amateur Off-Roader
>
09-22-2003, 07:29 PM
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Re: Rear main seal
You're talking about the pan gasket, not the seal.
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> There are tabs on either side of the lower half.
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> There are tabs on either side of the lower half.
09-22-2003, 07:29 PM
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Re: Rear main seal
You're talking about the pan gasket, not the seal.
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> There are tabs on either side of the lower half.
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"Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
>
> There are tabs on either side of the lower half.
09-22-2003, 07:45 PM
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Re: Rear main seal
Wrongo. The lower half of the seal has tabs on either end that fit in
grooves in the bearing cap. This is what differentiates the top half from
the lower. If you use the factory pan gasket it's one piece. The older, 4
piece (POS) pan gasket has tabs for the front & rear pieces. I'd run from
that version like it had herpes!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> You're talking about the pan gasket, not the seal.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > There are tabs on either side of the lower half.
grooves in the bearing cap. This is what differentiates the top half from
the lower. If you use the factory pan gasket it's one piece. The older, 4
piece (POS) pan gasket has tabs for the front & rear pieces. I'd run from
that version like it had herpes!
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> You're talking about the pan gasket, not the seal.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" wrote:
> >
> > There are tabs on either side of the lower half.