Rear brakes are backwards?
10-02-2004, 10:41 PM
#11
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
Thanks for your help.
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.
My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.
The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.
My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.
The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@***.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?
10-02-2004, 10:41 PM
#12
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
Thanks for your help.
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.
My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.
The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@***.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.
My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.
The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@***.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?
10-02-2004, 10:41 PM
#13
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
Thanks for your help.
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.
My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.
The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@***.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
picture or drawing.
My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
the rear.
The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
or short bed.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:415F4DD1.30DB2F6F@***.net...
> If your brake cables were facing forward than the backing plates
> were correct. What do they look like compared to these pictures:
> http://www.jeepin.com/features/drums/index.asp What is it that is
> backwards?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, but won't this make the rear parking brake cables too long?
10-02-2004, 10:53 PM
#14
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.
10-02-2004, 10:53 PM
#15
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.
10-02-2004, 10:53 PM
#16
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
What exactly are you working on? Emergency brake cables always pull
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.
in as straight a line as possible.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how to respond to this without the ability to post a
> picture or drawing.
>
> My brakes have several different looking components compared to photo's in
> the article you referenced. These are probably unimportant details. But, the
> rear parking brake cables from the equalizer to the drum appear to be the
> proper length with spring type hangers off the frame to enter the drums from
> the rear.
>
> The current cables are rusted and need to be replaced. Curious, that, I
> don't find a different reference # at the autoparts web sites for long bed
> or short bed.
10-03-2004, 11:16 AM
#17
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
You also have backward axles almost. Cherokees have a spring over axle
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.
When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.
This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.
The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....
Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.
I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.
When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.
This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.
The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....
Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.
I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.
10-03-2004, 11:16 AM
#18
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
You also have backward axles almost. Cherokees have a spring over axle
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.
When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.
This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.
The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....
Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.
I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.
When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.
This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.
The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....
Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.
I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.
10-03-2004, 11:16 AM
#19
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
You also have backward axles almost. Cherokees have a spring over axle
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.
When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.
This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.
The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....
Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.
I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.
setup, you have a spring under with a load leveler for the rear brakes.
When buying Cherokee rear brake shoes, the emergency brake lever comes
disconnected unlike other makers that come with the part already fixed
onto the proper brake shoe.
This is so the lever can be installed either on the trailing or leading
shoe depending on if you have the Cherokee or Comanche.
The adjusters need to be installed correctly though I think....
Hard to put in words, but when you go in reverse and hit the brakes, the
pads shift in a reverse rotation. This rotation pulls on the cable to
the star wheel adjuster and pulls it up in the air. When you let off
the brakes, the spring pulls the lever down onto the star wheel moving
it outward to adjust the brakes.
I believe the star wheel and associated parts are totally independent of
the emergency brake parts and need to be on the back shoe like in any
normal brake.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"Stephen R. Conrad" wrote:
>
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from the
> rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is arranged.
> Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and spring) and the
> strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake lever. Do I reverse
> all these other parts by using the left hardware kit on the right brake and
> vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by a previous owner who
> probably had the same questions.
10-03-2004, 11:26 AM
#20
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Re: Rear brakes are backwards?
It sounds like the backing plates are on the wrong side. This can only
happen if both plates were removed at the same time, then put back on the
wrong side. This could not have happened at the factory.
"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>
happen if both plates were removed at the same time, then put back on the
wrong side. This could not have happened at the factory.
"Stephen R. Conrad" <sconrad@telecommunity.to> wrote in message
news:2s8d68F1htqasU1@uni-berlin.de...
> On my 86 Commanche 2wd longbed the rear brakes are configured just the
> opposite from any picture or description I've seen in the manuals (Clymer,
> Chilton, Haynes, ebay CD's, part's store computers). What I mean is the
> pictures all show the parking brake cable entering the backing plate from
> the front of the car. On mine, the cables curve around and come in from
> the rear. That places the parking brake lever found inside the drum on the
> leading brake shoe instead of the trailing shoe like is shown in the
> pictures. This also affects how other hardware inside the drum is
> arranged. Like the self adjuster mechanism (screw, lever, cable and
> spring) and the strut that goes between the shoe and the parking brake
> lever. Do I reverse all these other parts by using the left hardware kit
> on the right brake and vice versa? Several of these parts were left out by
> a previous owner who probably had the same questions.
>