Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > The Kurds, Sunni, and Shiites have hated one another for over
> > a thousand years and nothing we could do will ever change that.
> >
>
> Exactly, which is why our "war on terror" in Iraq had degraded into
> a civil war with US troops as collateral targets.
>
Which is why we want to get the **** out of there, right now, and why we
elected a Democrat-controlled congress. I believe that voting Democrat, was
perceived as the way to get out of Iraq. If the voters find out different,
they will just vote Republican next time.

The people who voted Republic, just thought that the "terrorists" hadn't
been punished enough. While this is a legitimate viewpoint, we were running
out of ways to punish them, not being a nation willing to use nukes again.

Saludos,

Earle



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Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:61d27$45573918$422afc51$31415@FUSE.NET...
>
> >
> > The Kurds, Sunni, and Shiites have hated one another for over
> > a thousand years and nothing we could do will ever change that.
> >
>
> Exactly, which is why our "war on terror" in Iraq had degraded into
> a civil war with US troops as collateral targets.
>
Which is why we want to get the **** out of there, right now, and why we
elected a Democrat-controlled congress. I believe that voting Democrat, was
perceived as the way to get out of Iraq. If the voters find out different,
they will just vote Republican next time.

The people who voted Republic, just thought that the "terrorists" hadn't
been punished enough. While this is a legitimate viewpoint, we were running
out of ways to punish them, not being a nation willing to use nukes again.

Saludos,

Earle



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Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:61d27$45573918$422afc51$31415@FUSE.NET...
>
> >
> > The Kurds, Sunni, and Shiites have hated one another for over
> > a thousand years and nothing we could do will ever change that.
> >
>
> Exactly, which is why our "war on terror" in Iraq had degraded into
> a civil war with US troops as collateral targets.
>
Which is why we want to get the **** out of there, right now, and why we
elected a Democrat-controlled congress. I believe that voting Democrat, was
perceived as the way to get out of Iraq. If the voters find out different,
they will just vote Republican next time.

The people who voted Republic, just thought that the "terrorists" hadn't
been punished enough. While this is a legitimate viewpoint, we were running
out of ways to punish them, not being a nation willing to use nukes again.

Saludos,

Earle



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Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:15:52 -0500, "billy ray"
<billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

>I've been saying for over a year we need to get out and just depose whatever
>tyrant takes over every 5-10 years.
>

That was our policy regarding Mexico at the turn of the 20th Century.
As a result, Mexico never established good governance. We now pay the
price for our actions then.


-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:15:52 -0500, "billy ray"
<billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

>I've been saying for over a year we need to get out and just depose whatever
>tyrant takes over every 5-10 years.
>

That was our policy regarding Mexico at the turn of the 20th Century.
As a result, Mexico never established good governance. We now pay the
price for our actions then.


-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:15:52 -0500, "billy ray"
<billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:

>I've been saying for over a year we need to get out and just depose whatever
>tyrant takes over every 5-10 years.
>

That was our policy regarding Mexico at the turn of the 20th Century.
As a result, Mexico never established good governance. We now pay the
price for our actions then.


-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:57:32 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:

>Many Republicans now agree that to restore Iraq into a single soveriegn
>nation is going to be militarily and politically impossible, unless we
>commit 4X as many troops as we have there now. and the best way to bring
>this matter to a close is to restore the region to pre-WWI conditions, with
>three soveriegn states made up of Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, a plan most
>recently brought up by Joe Biden, IIRC. We can keep all the "finish the job"
>goals by encouraging this to happen, eliminate the inter-faith violence, and
>establish a military base in the Kurd region (which is still US-friendly)
>from which we can continue the real war on terror without continuing to
>paint target rings on our troops.

You are correct, many Republicans do subscribe to this nonsense.

First off, the Sunni would be left with a rump state that has zero
resources; no way to farm, industrialize, anything. Share the oil
wealth? We're right back where we are today.

Second, Turkey would NEVER allow in independent Kurdish state. There
is a large Kurdish population within Turkey that has agitated for
separation since the end of the Ottoman Empire. An independent
Kurdistan would end Turkey as it is currently configured.

Third, Iran would dominate and control any Shia state in Iraq; in
effect, turning Shia Iraq into Lebanon Jr. Muqtada Sadr is the major
force agitating in Baghdad (vs Sistani) and is supported entirely by
Iran.

So there you have it; pie in the sky, as always, completely inedible.

There is but one solution to the middle-east; Muslims must stop
Islamists. We have only one choice to make, kill them all or support
those, such as Sistani, who would bring a degree of secularism to the
middle-east.

I don't think we're ready to kill them all, so it's pretty much out of
our hands. We can help, but we are dependent upon the Muslims.




-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:57:32 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:

>Many Republicans now agree that to restore Iraq into a single soveriegn
>nation is going to be militarily and politically impossible, unless we
>commit 4X as many troops as we have there now. and the best way to bring
>this matter to a close is to restore the region to pre-WWI conditions, with
>three soveriegn states made up of Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, a plan most
>recently brought up by Joe Biden, IIRC. We can keep all the "finish the job"
>goals by encouraging this to happen, eliminate the inter-faith violence, and
>establish a military base in the Kurd region (which is still US-friendly)
>from which we can continue the real war on terror without continuing to
>paint target rings on our troops.

You are correct, many Republicans do subscribe to this nonsense.

First off, the Sunni would be left with a rump state that has zero
resources; no way to farm, industrialize, anything. Share the oil
wealth? We're right back where we are today.

Second, Turkey would NEVER allow in independent Kurdish state. There
is a large Kurdish population within Turkey that has agitated for
separation since the end of the Ottoman Empire. An independent
Kurdistan would end Turkey as it is currently configured.

Third, Iran would dominate and control any Shia state in Iraq; in
effect, turning Shia Iraq into Lebanon Jr. Muqtada Sadr is the major
force agitating in Baghdad (vs Sistani) and is supported entirely by
Iran.

So there you have it; pie in the sky, as always, completely inedible.

There is but one solution to the middle-east; Muslims must stop
Islamists. We have only one choice to make, kill them all or support
those, such as Sistani, who would bring a degree of secularism to the
middle-east.

I don't think we're ready to kill them all, so it's pretty much out of
our hands. We can help, but we are dependent upon the Muslims.




-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:57:32 -0500, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:

>Many Republicans now agree that to restore Iraq into a single soveriegn
>nation is going to be militarily and politically impossible, unless we
>commit 4X as many troops as we have there now. and the best way to bring
>this matter to a close is to restore the region to pre-WWI conditions, with
>three soveriegn states made up of Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, a plan most
>recently brought up by Joe Biden, IIRC. We can keep all the "finish the job"
>goals by encouraging this to happen, eliminate the inter-faith violence, and
>establish a military base in the Kurd region (which is still US-friendly)
>from which we can continue the real war on terror without continuing to
>paint target rings on our troops.

You are correct, many Republicans do subscribe to this nonsense.

First off, the Sunni would be left with a rump state that has zero
resources; no way to farm, industrialize, anything. Share the oil
wealth? We're right back where we are today.

Second, Turkey would NEVER allow in independent Kurdish state. There
is a large Kurdish population within Turkey that has agitated for
separation since the end of the Ottoman Empire. An independent
Kurdistan would end Turkey as it is currently configured.

Third, Iran would dominate and control any Shia state in Iraq; in
effect, turning Shia Iraq into Lebanon Jr. Muqtada Sadr is the major
force agitating in Baghdad (vs Sistani) and is supported entirely by
Iran.

So there you have it; pie in the sky, as always, completely inedible.

There is but one solution to the middle-east; Muslims must stop
Islamists. We have only one choice to make, kill them all or support
those, such as Sistani, who would bring a degree of secularism to the
middle-east.

I don't think we're ready to kill them all, so it's pretty much out of
our hands. We can help, but we are dependent upon the Muslims.




-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

Re: Rear axle tube bent in collision, how to bend back?
 

<Matt Osborn> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:15:52 -0500, "billy ray"
> <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >I've been saying for over a year we need to get out and just depose
> >whatever tyrant takes over every 5-10 years.
> >
>
> That was our policy regarding Mexico at the turn of the 20th Century.
> As a result, Mexico never established good governance. We now
> pay the price for our actions then.
>
There are things in this world that one cannot fix. Sometimes you just have
to accept that.

Earle



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