twaldron

No offense, Dave. I'm not American Indian, although I find what
extremely little I know of them fascinating. Actually, I think using
tribal names for certain things should be fine, even in this day of
political correct behavior.

On a related note:

Here in the states the YMCA has a program that used to be called Indian
Guides and Indian Princesses. During the 3 year period that my daughter
and I were in the Indian Princesses, the YMCA, under pressure was forced
to drop the name and they are now called Y Princesses. Idiotic, really.
I mean why would you want your race associated with a wholesome program
like that?

Dave Milne wrote:

> Hmm, that post wasn't well considered really. Sorry if it caused offence.
> I do think that calling cars after tribes is rather silly. I mean, would you
> buy
> a TJ Scot ?
>
> Dave
>
> "twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
> news:LCdbc.4289$O%5.2488@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
>
>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What heritage ? The scrambler was just a longer pickup bed CJ. So what's
>>>wrong with
>>>TJ Scramblers, XJ Scramblers (except they called it the Comanche) ?
>>>
>>>Frankly, its a lot better name than the "Cherokee", named after a people
>>>that genocide was attempted on.. probably why DC kept it...
>>
>>I think most people remember the Cherokee people for much more than
>>that. Besides, it wasn't their fault. Maybe Jeep should pay them for
>>using the name all these years.
>
>
>

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tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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CRWLR

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Hbgbc.861$Qe5.11878583@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hmm, that post wasn't well considered really. Sorry if it caused offence.
> I do think that calling cars after tribes is rather silly. I mean, would
you
> buy
> a TJ Scot ?
>
> Dave
>

Well no, because it would be drunk all the time. Sheesh, how obvious is
that?

CRWLR

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Hbgbc.861$Qe5.11878583@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hmm, that post wasn't well considered really. Sorry if it caused offence.
> I do think that calling cars after tribes is rather silly. I mean, would
you
> buy
> a TJ Scot ?
>
> Dave
>

Well no, because it would be drunk all the time. Sheesh, how obvious is
that?

CRWLR

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Hbgbc.861$Qe5.11878583@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hmm, that post wasn't well considered really. Sorry if it caused offence.
> I do think that calling cars after tribes is rather silly. I mean, would
you
> buy
> a TJ Scot ?
>
> Dave
>

Well no, because it would be drunk all the time. Sheesh, how obvious is
that?

CRWLR

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Hbgbc.861$Qe5.11878583@news-text.cableinet.net...
> Hmm, that post wasn't well considered really. Sorry if it caused offence.
> I do think that calling cars after tribes is rather silly. I mean, would
you
> buy
> a TJ Scot ?
>
> Dave
>

Well no, because it would be drunk all the time. Sheesh, how obvious is
that?

CRWLR

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:GMgbc.4353$O%5.3358@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> No offense, Dave. I'm not American Indian, although I find what
> extremely little I know of them fascinating. Actually, I think using
> tribal names for certain things should be fine, even in this day of
> political correct behavior.
>
> On a related note:
>
> Here in the states the YMCA has a program that used to be called Indian
> Guides and Indian Princesses. During the 3 year period that my daughter
> and I were in the Indian Princesses, the YMCA, under pressure was forced
> to drop the name and they are now called Y Princesses. Idiotic, really.
> I mean why would you want your race associated with a wholesome program
> like that?
>

I'm with you on that one. I think Indian Guides is a great name for a kid's
group. It honors Indians as explorers and innovators that spend a life time
making stuff from essentially nothing at all. "Nothing", of course, is from
the perspective of protected lives that have a universe that revolves around
the suburbs where everything has to come from a box. Indian Guides teaches
kids that stuff comes from outside the box, or from where there are no
boxes.

I think we should have school mascots named Warriors and Aztecs as well.
These are proud people with a strong heritage. It should be an honor that a
school would want to emulate a warrior. It should not be considered a "dis"
to have your ancestors associated with school sports. On second thought, if
it is a dis then maybe we don't want to associate our kids with your
ancestors anyway, in which case we don't need to be using your name and
image as a mascot.

Now I am all screwed up. I don't know if I am offended that we use the
mascot in an inapporpriate way, or that we use the mascot for all these
years. If we use it all these years as a sign of strength, and it turns out
that it upsets weaklings and crybabies, then we have used it
inappropriately. Crap.

CRWLR

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:GMgbc.4353$O%5.3358@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> No offense, Dave. I'm not American Indian, although I find what
> extremely little I know of them fascinating. Actually, I think using
> tribal names for certain things should be fine, even in this day of
> political correct behavior.
>
> On a related note:
>
> Here in the states the YMCA has a program that used to be called Indian
> Guides and Indian Princesses. During the 3 year period that my daughter
> and I were in the Indian Princesses, the YMCA, under pressure was forced
> to drop the name and they are now called Y Princesses. Idiotic, really.
> I mean why would you want your race associated with a wholesome program
> like that?
>

I'm with you on that one. I think Indian Guides is a great name for a kid's
group. It honors Indians as explorers and innovators that spend a life time
making stuff from essentially nothing at all. "Nothing", of course, is from
the perspective of protected lives that have a universe that revolves around
the suburbs where everything has to come from a box. Indian Guides teaches
kids that stuff comes from outside the box, or from where there are no
boxes.

I think we should have school mascots named Warriors and Aztecs as well.
These are proud people with a strong heritage. It should be an honor that a
school would want to emulate a warrior. It should not be considered a "dis"
to have your ancestors associated with school sports. On second thought, if
it is a dis then maybe we don't want to associate our kids with your
ancestors anyway, in which case we don't need to be using your name and
image as a mascot.

Now I am all screwed up. I don't know if I am offended that we use the
mascot in an inapporpriate way, or that we use the mascot for all these
years. If we use it all these years as a sign of strength, and it turns out
that it upsets weaklings and crybabies, then we have used it
inappropriately. Crap.

CRWLR

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:GMgbc.4353$O%5.3358@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> No offense, Dave. I'm not American Indian, although I find what
> extremely little I know of them fascinating. Actually, I think using
> tribal names for certain things should be fine, even in this day of
> political correct behavior.
>
> On a related note:
>
> Here in the states the YMCA has a program that used to be called Indian
> Guides and Indian Princesses. During the 3 year period that my daughter
> and I were in the Indian Princesses, the YMCA, under pressure was forced
> to drop the name and they are now called Y Princesses. Idiotic, really.
> I mean why would you want your race associated with a wholesome program
> like that?
>

I'm with you on that one. I think Indian Guides is a great name for a kid's
group. It honors Indians as explorers and innovators that spend a life time
making stuff from essentially nothing at all. "Nothing", of course, is from
the perspective of protected lives that have a universe that revolves around
the suburbs where everything has to come from a box. Indian Guides teaches
kids that stuff comes from outside the box, or from where there are no
boxes.

I think we should have school mascots named Warriors and Aztecs as well.
These are proud people with a strong heritage. It should be an honor that a
school would want to emulate a warrior. It should not be considered a "dis"
to have your ancestors associated with school sports. On second thought, if
it is a dis then maybe we don't want to associate our kids with your
ancestors anyway, in which case we don't need to be using your name and
image as a mascot.

Now I am all screwed up. I don't know if I am offended that we use the
mascot in an inapporpriate way, or that we use the mascot for all these
years. If we use it all these years as a sign of strength, and it turns out
that it upsets weaklings and crybabies, then we have used it
inappropriately. Crap.

CRWLR

"twaldron" <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote in message
news:GMgbc.4353$O%5.3358@newssvr24.news.prodigy.co m...
> No offense, Dave. I'm not American Indian, although I find what
> extremely little I know of them fascinating. Actually, I think using
> tribal names for certain things should be fine, even in this day of
> political correct behavior.
>
> On a related note:
>
> Here in the states the YMCA has a program that used to be called Indian
> Guides and Indian Princesses. During the 3 year period that my daughter
> and I were in the Indian Princesses, the YMCA, under pressure was forced
> to drop the name and they are now called Y Princesses. Idiotic, really.
> I mean why would you want your race associated with a wholesome program
> like that?
>

I'm with you on that one. I think Indian Guides is a great name for a kid's
group. It honors Indians as explorers and innovators that spend a life time
making stuff from essentially nothing at all. "Nothing", of course, is from
the perspective of protected lives that have a universe that revolves around
the suburbs where everything has to come from a box. Indian Guides teaches
kids that stuff comes from outside the box, or from where there are no
boxes.

I think we should have school mascots named Warriors and Aztecs as well.
These are proud people with a strong heritage. It should be an honor that a
school would want to emulate a warrior. It should not be considered a "dis"
to have your ancestors associated with school sports. On second thought, if
it is a dis then maybe we don't want to associate our kids with your
ancestors anyway, in which case we don't need to be using your name and
image as a mascot.

Now I am all screwed up. I don't know if I am offended that we use the
mascot in an inapporpriate way, or that we use the mascot for all these
years. If we use it all these years as a sign of strength, and it turns out
that it upsets weaklings and crybabies, then we have used it
inappropriately. Crap.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The Cherokees **** me off, my wife's one quarter, we were supposed
to get money in the sixties from their Oklahoma oil.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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CRWLR wrote:
>
> Well no, because it would be drunk all the time. Sheesh, how obvious is
> that?