Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
#101
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
They didn't have carburetors so I would imagine carb icing wouldn't be much
of an issue, even if in a different form. I've flown fuel injected aircraft
and there's no carb heat **** to pull.
Jerry
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"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
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> So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune
> to
> this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the
> engine)?
> I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew
> regularly
> at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
of an issue, even if in a different form. I've flown fuel injected aircraft
and there's no carb heat **** to pull.
Jerry
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"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
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> So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune
> to
> this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the
> engine)?
> I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew
> regularly
> at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
They didn't have carburetors so I would imagine carb icing wouldn't be much
of an issue, even if in a different form. I've flown fuel injected aircraft
and there's no carb heat **** to pull.
Jerry
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"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
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> So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune
> to
> this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the
> engine)?
> I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew
> regularly
> at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
of an issue, even if in a different form. I've flown fuel injected aircraft
and there's no carb heat **** to pull.
Jerry
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--
Jerry Bransford
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See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
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> So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune
> to
> this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the
> engine)?
> I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew
> regularly
> at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
They didn't have carburetors so I would imagine carb icing wouldn't be much
of an issue, even if in a different form. I've flown fuel injected aircraft
and there's no carb heat **** to pull.
Jerry
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--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
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> So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune
> to
> this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the
> engine)?
> I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew
> regularly
> at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
of an issue, even if in a different form. I've flown fuel injected aircraft
and there's no carb heat **** to pull.
Jerry
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--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Wblane" <wblane@aol.combotizer> wrote in message
news:20040909201906.21321.00000299@mb-m15.aol.com...
> So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune
> to
> this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the
> engine)?
> I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew
> regularly
> at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
> -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
On 10 Sep 2004 00:19:06 GMT, Wblane wrote:
>So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune to
>this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the engine)?
>I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew regularly
>at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
This is perhaps a little less scary than that used in the Tiger Moth
(Gypsy Moth and such - there are plenty of them still flying today).
In these, the exhaust gate allowed the naked exhaust flame to play
onto the outside of the venturi pipe. Funnily enough, engine fires in
these types were relatively common! Safer methods were installed into
most of the versions still flying, but there are some that retain the
naked flame principal.
The earlier supercharged engines had the supercharger between the
engine and the carby, so icing would certainly be a way of life with
them. These planes achieved extreme altitudes though, as the
superchargers were fitted with 3 speed gear boxes and a clutch. Before
going into the next altitude range, the engineer declutched and
changed into the appropriate gear! The Mosquito fighter/bomber was
fitted with these superchargers, and its combat altitude ranged from
zero to 40000. The Flight Engineer/Navigator was a very busy person in
these planes!
I'm not certain about the later superchargers fitted ahead of the
carby though, but I would bet that icing would rear its ugly head
somewhere.
--
GW
>So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune to
>this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the engine)?
>I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew regularly
>at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
This is perhaps a little less scary than that used in the Tiger Moth
(Gypsy Moth and such - there are plenty of them still flying today).
In these, the exhaust gate allowed the naked exhaust flame to play
onto the outside of the venturi pipe. Funnily enough, engine fires in
these types were relatively common! Safer methods were installed into
most of the versions still flying, but there are some that retain the
naked flame principal.
The earlier supercharged engines had the supercharger between the
engine and the carby, so icing would certainly be a way of life with
them. These planes achieved extreme altitudes though, as the
superchargers were fitted with 3 speed gear boxes and a clutch. Before
going into the next altitude range, the engineer declutched and
changed into the appropriate gear! The Mosquito fighter/bomber was
fitted with these superchargers, and its combat altitude ranged from
zero to 40000. The Flight Engineer/Navigator was a very busy person in
these planes!
I'm not certain about the later superchargers fitted ahead of the
carby though, but I would bet that icing would rear its ugly head
somewhere.
--
GW
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
On 10 Sep 2004 00:19:06 GMT, Wblane wrote:
>So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune to
>this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the engine)?
>I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew regularly
>at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
This is perhaps a little less scary than that used in the Tiger Moth
(Gypsy Moth and such - there are plenty of them still flying today).
In these, the exhaust gate allowed the naked exhaust flame to play
onto the outside of the venturi pipe. Funnily enough, engine fires in
these types were relatively common! Safer methods were installed into
most of the versions still flying, but there are some that retain the
naked flame principal.
The earlier supercharged engines had the supercharger between the
engine and the carby, so icing would certainly be a way of life with
them. These planes achieved extreme altitudes though, as the
superchargers were fitted with 3 speed gear boxes and a clutch. Before
going into the next altitude range, the engineer declutched and
changed into the appropriate gear! The Mosquito fighter/bomber was
fitted with these superchargers, and its combat altitude ranged from
zero to 40000. The Flight Engineer/Navigator was a very busy person in
these planes!
I'm not certain about the later superchargers fitted ahead of the
carby though, but I would bet that icing would rear its ugly head
somewhere.
--
GW
>So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune to
>this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the engine)?
>I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew regularly
>at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
This is perhaps a little less scary than that used in the Tiger Moth
(Gypsy Moth and such - there are plenty of them still flying today).
In these, the exhaust gate allowed the naked exhaust flame to play
onto the outside of the venturi pipe. Funnily enough, engine fires in
these types were relatively common! Safer methods were installed into
most of the versions still flying, but there are some that retain the
naked flame principal.
The earlier supercharged engines had the supercharger between the
engine and the carby, so icing would certainly be a way of life with
them. These planes achieved extreme altitudes though, as the
superchargers were fitted with 3 speed gear boxes and a clutch. Before
going into the next altitude range, the engineer declutched and
changed into the appropriate gear! The Mosquito fighter/bomber was
fitted with these superchargers, and its combat altitude ranged from
zero to 40000. The Flight Engineer/Navigator was a very busy person in
these planes!
I'm not certain about the later superchargers fitted ahead of the
carby though, but I would bet that icing would rear its ugly head
somewhere.
--
GW
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
On 10 Sep 2004 00:19:06 GMT, Wblane wrote:
>So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune to
>this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the engine)?
>I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew regularly
>at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
This is perhaps a little less scary than that used in the Tiger Moth
(Gypsy Moth and such - there are plenty of them still flying today).
In these, the exhaust gate allowed the naked exhaust flame to play
onto the outside of the venturi pipe. Funnily enough, engine fires in
these types were relatively common! Safer methods were installed into
most of the versions still flying, but there are some that retain the
naked flame principal.
The earlier supercharged engines had the supercharger between the
engine and the carby, so icing would certainly be a way of life with
them. These planes achieved extreme altitudes though, as the
superchargers were fitted with 3 speed gear boxes and a clutch. Before
going into the next altitude range, the engineer declutched and
changed into the appropriate gear! The Mosquito fighter/bomber was
fitted with these superchargers, and its combat altitude ranged from
zero to 40000. The Flight Engineer/Navigator was a very busy person in
these planes!
I'm not certain about the later superchargers fitted ahead of the
carby though, but I would bet that icing would rear its ugly head
somewhere.
--
GW
>So were the old super-charged, piston-engined fighters of WWII more immune to
>this (i.e. because of the heat imparted to the air charge entering the engine)?
>I swear I thought some of those piston-engined bombers of WWII flew regularly
>at altitudes above 20,000 feet.
Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
This is perhaps a little less scary than that used in the Tiger Moth
(Gypsy Moth and such - there are plenty of them still flying today).
In these, the exhaust gate allowed the naked exhaust flame to play
onto the outside of the venturi pipe. Funnily enough, engine fires in
these types were relatively common! Safer methods were installed into
most of the versions still flying, but there are some that retain the
naked flame principal.
The earlier supercharged engines had the supercharger between the
engine and the carby, so icing would certainly be a way of life with
them. These planes achieved extreme altitudes though, as the
superchargers were fitted with 3 speed gear boxes and a clutch. Before
going into the next altitude range, the engineer declutched and
changed into the appropriate gear! The Mosquito fighter/bomber was
fitted with these superchargers, and its combat altitude ranged from
zero to 40000. The Flight Engineer/Navigator was a very busy person in
these planes!
I'm not certain about the later superchargers fitted ahead of the
carby though, but I would bet that icing would rear its ugly head
somewhere.
--
GW
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Love you too, sh!thead ...
;-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Asking Bill to stop being an idiot is a bit like asking your dog to stop
> > licking his butt. The dog will look up and acknowledge the command, but
> > pretty soon his butt will itch again, and he will go back to cleaning
it.
> >
> > The best you can do is hope he doesn't lick your face next ...
> >
> > And, Bill - like the dog - might be annoying but he means well is right
more
> > often than not, except when he drifts completely off target. Your dog
drifts
> > off target too, but then you scream at him to stop licking his nuts.
;-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Asking Bill to stop being an idiot is a bit like asking your dog to stop
> > licking his butt. The dog will look up and acknowledge the command, but
> > pretty soon his butt will itch again, and he will go back to cleaning
it.
> >
> > The best you can do is hope he doesn't lick your face next ...
> >
> > And, Bill - like the dog - might be annoying but he means well is right
more
> > often than not, except when he drifts completely off target. Your dog
drifts
> > off target too, but then you scream at him to stop licking his nuts.
#108
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Love you too, sh!thead ...
;-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4140E8F0.7A6F77F0@***.net...
> Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Asking Bill to stop being an idiot is a bit like asking your dog to stop
> > licking his butt. The dog will look up and acknowledge the command, but
> > pretty soon his butt will itch again, and he will go back to cleaning
it.
> >
> > The best you can do is hope he doesn't lick your face next ...
> >
> > And, Bill - like the dog - might be annoying but he means well is right
more
> > often than not, except when he drifts completely off target. Your dog
drifts
> > off target too, but then you scream at him to stop licking his nuts.
;-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4140E8F0.7A6F77F0@***.net...
> Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Asking Bill to stop being an idiot is a bit like asking your dog to stop
> > licking his butt. The dog will look up and acknowledge the command, but
> > pretty soon his butt will itch again, and he will go back to cleaning
it.
> >
> > The best you can do is hope he doesn't lick your face next ...
> >
> > And, Bill - like the dog - might be annoying but he means well is right
more
> > often than not, except when he drifts completely off target. Your dog
drifts
> > off target too, but then you scream at him to stop licking his nuts.
#109
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
Love you too, sh!thead ...
;-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4140E8F0.7A6F77F0@***.net...
> Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Asking Bill to stop being an idiot is a bit like asking your dog to stop
> > licking his butt. The dog will look up and acknowledge the command, but
> > pretty soon his butt will itch again, and he will go back to cleaning
it.
> >
> > The best you can do is hope he doesn't lick your face next ...
> >
> > And, Bill - like the dog - might be annoying but he means well is right
more
> > often than not, except when he drifts completely off target. Your dog
drifts
> > off target too, but then you scream at him to stop licking his nuts.
;-)
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4140E8F0.7A6F77F0@***.net...
> Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Asking Bill to stop being an idiot is a bit like asking your dog to stop
> > licking his butt. The dog will look up and acknowledge the command, but
> > pretty soon his butt will itch again, and he will go back to cleaning
it.
> >
> > The best you can do is hope he doesn't lick your face next ...
> >
> > And, Bill - like the dog - might be annoying but he means well is right
more
> > often than not, except when he drifts completely off target. Your dog
drifts
> > off target too, but then you scream at him to stop licking his nuts.
#110
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Re: Quit Being A Goddamn Idiot, Bill ------!!
I thought the Spitfires were all direct fuel injection? I thought this was one
of the big deals about the Merlins is that they were fuel-injected?
>Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
>certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
>counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
>gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
>exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
of the big deals about the Merlins is that they were fuel-injected?
>Well, the earlier Rolls Royce Merlin powered fighters and bombers were
>certainly carburetored, and suffered from icing, so much so that the
>counter - measures were positively scary. Basically, an adjustable
>gate in the exhaust pipe from one of the cylinders was opened, and the
>exhaust flame was piped to a sleeve around the carburetor.
>
-Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)