Bob

Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!

I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.

My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
body roll on off-camber slopes.

What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.

Thanks,
Bob


Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
>
> I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police and
> my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on a
> 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
>
> My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> fault driver in court.
>
> They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> would have tossed the book at me.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> >
> > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > it back on again after! ;-)
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway bar!!!!
> > >
> > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the police
> > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of safety
> > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at fault in
> > > the accident.
> > >
> > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > proper steering control.
> > >
> > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will fall
> > > out too.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Jeff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local Jeep club
> > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the trail.I've
> > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle without them.
> > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > >
> > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > >
> > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > -Brian
> > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed to remove
> the
> > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > :
> > > > > : tia
> > > > > : Snow
> > > > > :
> > > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > >

Bob

Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!

I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.

My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
body roll on off-camber slopes.

What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.

Thanks,
Bob


Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
>
> I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police and
> my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on a
> 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
>
> My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> fault driver in court.
>
> They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> would have tossed the book at me.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> >
> > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > it back on again after! ;-)
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway bar!!!!
> > >
> > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the police
> > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of safety
> > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at fault in
> > > the accident.
> > >
> > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > proper steering control.
> > >
> > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will fall
> > > out too.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Jeff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local Jeep club
> > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the trail.I've
> > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle without them.
> > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > >
> > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > >
> > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > -Brian
> > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed to remove
> the
> > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > :
> > > > > : tia
> > > > > : Snow
> > > > > :
> > > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > >

Bob

Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!

I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.

My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
body roll on off-camber slopes.

What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.

Thanks,
Bob


Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
>
> I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police and
> my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on a
> 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
>
> My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> fault driver in court.
>
> They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> would have tossed the book at me.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> >
> > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > it back on again after! ;-)
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway bar!!!!
> > >
> > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the police
> > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of safety
> > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at fault in
> > > the accident.
> > >
> > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > proper steering control.
> > >
> > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will fall
> > > out too.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Jeff wrote:
> > > >
> > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local Jeep club
> > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the trail.I've
> > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle without them.
> > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > >
> > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > >
> > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > -Brian
> > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed to remove
> the
> > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > :
> > > > > : tia
> > > > > : Snow
> > > > > :
> > > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > >

Mike Romain

He is playing with fire one way or another.

One way if he say crosses a ditch at a 45 deg angle, the rear spring
will fall out. This is how a stock TJ works.

The other way is he has the shocks limiting the travel of the springs.
This quickly leads to broken off shocks from the droop hits. I have
even seen frames snap from the impacts.

The bump stops prevent the axle from going to high, they need a bottom
limit.

If he checks out speed shops, he can get straps to set the droop limit.
Track cars use them for safety.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!
>
> I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
> previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.
>
> My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
> from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
> simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
> full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
> it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
> having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
> body roll on off-camber slopes.
>
> What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
> seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
> And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
> rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
> argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
> he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> > It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
> >
> > I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police and
> > my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on a
> > 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
> >
> > My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> > fault driver in court.
> >
> > They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> > would have tossed the book at me.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> > >
> > > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > > it back on again after! ;-)
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway bar!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the police
> > > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of safety
> > > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at fault in
> > > > the accident.
> > > >
> > > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > > proper steering control.
> > > >
> > > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will fall
> > > > out too.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Jeff wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local Jeep club
> > > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the trail.I've
> > > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle without them.
> > > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > > >
> > > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed to remove
> > the
> > > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > : tia
> > > > > > : Snow
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

Mike Romain

He is playing with fire one way or another.

One way if he say crosses a ditch at a 45 deg angle, the rear spring
will fall out. This is how a stock TJ works.

The other way is he has the shocks limiting the travel of the springs.
This quickly leads to broken off shocks from the droop hits. I have
even seen frames snap from the impacts.

The bump stops prevent the axle from going to high, they need a bottom
limit.

If he checks out speed shops, he can get straps to set the droop limit.
Track cars use them for safety.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!
>
> I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
> previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.
>
> My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
> from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
> simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
> full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
> it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
> having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
> body roll on off-camber slopes.
>
> What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
> seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
> And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
> rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
> argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
> he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> > It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
> >
> > I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police and
> > my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on a
> > 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
> >
> > My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> > fault driver in court.
> >
> > They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> > would have tossed the book at me.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> > >
> > > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > > it back on again after! ;-)
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway bar!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the police
> > > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of safety
> > > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at fault in
> > > > the accident.
> > > >
> > > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > > proper steering control.
> > > >
> > > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will fall
> > > > out too.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Jeff wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local Jeep club
> > > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the trail.I've
> > > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle without them.
> > > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > > >
> > > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed to remove
> > the
> > > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > : tia
> > > > > > : Snow
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

Mike Romain

He is playing with fire one way or another.

One way if he say crosses a ditch at a 45 deg angle, the rear spring
will fall out. This is how a stock TJ works.

The other way is he has the shocks limiting the travel of the springs.
This quickly leads to broken off shocks from the droop hits. I have
even seen frames snap from the impacts.

The bump stops prevent the axle from going to high, they need a bottom
limit.

If he checks out speed shops, he can get straps to set the droop limit.
Track cars use them for safety.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!
>
> I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
> previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.
>
> My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
> from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
> simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
> full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
> it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
> having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
> body roll on off-camber slopes.
>
> What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
> seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
> And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
> rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
> argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
> he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> > It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
> >
> > I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police and
> > my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on a
> > 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
> >
> > My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> > fault driver in court.
> >
> > They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> > would have tossed the book at me.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> > >
> > > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > > it back on again after! ;-)
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway bar!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the police
> > > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of safety
> > > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at fault in
> > > > the accident.
> > > >
> > > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > > proper steering control.
> > > >
> > > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will fall
> > > > out too.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Jeff wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local Jeep club
> > > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the trail.I've
> > > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle without them.
> > > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > > >
> > > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed to remove
> > the
> > > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > : tia
> > > > > > : Snow
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

Mike Romain

He is playing with fire one way or another.

One way if he say crosses a ditch at a 45 deg angle, the rear spring
will fall out. This is how a stock TJ works.

The other way is he has the shocks limiting the travel of the springs.
This quickly leads to broken off shocks from the droop hits. I have
even seen frames snap from the impacts.

The bump stops prevent the axle from going to high, they need a bottom
limit.

If he checks out speed shops, he can get straps to set the droop limit.
Track cars use them for safety.

Mike

Bob wrote:
>
> Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!
>
> I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
> previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.
>
> My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
> from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
> simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
> full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
> it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
> having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
> body roll on off-camber slopes.
>
> What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
> seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
> And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
> rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
> argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
> he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> > It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
> >
> > I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police and
> > my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on a
> > 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
> >
> > My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> > fault driver in court.
> >
> > They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> > would have tossed the book at me.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> > >
> > > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > > it back on again after! ;-)
> > >
> > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway bar!!!!
> > > >
> > > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the police
> > > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of safety
> > > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at fault in
> > > > the accident.
> > > >
> > > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > > proper steering control.
> > > >
> > > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will fall
> > > > out too.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Jeff wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local Jeep club
> > > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the trail.I've
> > > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle without them.
> > > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > > >
> > > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed to remove
> > the
> > > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > : tia
> > > > > > : Snow
> > > > > > :
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

SB

Spring suspension has no such limit though?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4089AADC.15B9D85B@sympatico.ca...
> He is playing with fire one way or another.
>
> One way if he say crosses a ditch at a 45 deg angle, the rear spring
> will fall out. This is how a stock TJ works.
>
> The other way is he has the shocks limiting the travel of the springs.
> This quickly leads to broken off shocks from the droop hits. I have
> even seen frames snap from the impacts.
>
> The bump stops prevent the axle from going to high, they need a bottom
> limit.
>
> If he checks out speed shops, he can get straps to set the droop limit.
> Track cars use them for safety.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!
> >
> > I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
> > previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.
> >
> > My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
> > from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
> > simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
> > full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
> > it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
> > having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
> > body roll on off-camber slopes.
> >
> > What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
> > seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
> > And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
> > rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
> > argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
> > he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> > > It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
> > >
> > > I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police
and
> > > my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on
a
> > > 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
> > >
> > > My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> > > fault driver in court.
> > >
> > > They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> > > would have tossed the book at me.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > > > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > > > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > > > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> > > >
> > > > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > > > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > > > it back on again after! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway
bar!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the
police
> > > > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of
safety
> > > > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at
fault in
> > > > > the accident.
> > > > >
> > > > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > > > proper steering control.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will
fall
> > > > > out too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local
Jeep club
> > > > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the
trail.I've
> > > > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle
without them.
> > > > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >
news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed
to remove
> > > the
> > > > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > : tia
> > > > > > > : Snow
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

SB

Spring suspension has no such limit though?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4089AADC.15B9D85B@sympatico.ca...
> He is playing with fire one way or another.
>
> One way if he say crosses a ditch at a 45 deg angle, the rear spring
> will fall out. This is how a stock TJ works.
>
> The other way is he has the shocks limiting the travel of the springs.
> This quickly leads to broken off shocks from the droop hits. I have
> even seen frames snap from the impacts.
>
> The bump stops prevent the axle from going to high, they need a bottom
> limit.
>
> If he checks out speed shops, he can get straps to set the droop limit.
> Track cars use them for safety.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!
> >
> > I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
> > previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.
> >
> > My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
> > from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
> > simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
> > full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
> > it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
> > having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
> > body roll on off-camber slopes.
> >
> > What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
> > seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
> > And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
> > rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
> > argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
> > he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> > > It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
> > >
> > > I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police
and
> > > my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on
a
> > > 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
> > >
> > > My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> > > fault driver in court.
> > >
> > > They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> > > would have tossed the book at me.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > > > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > > > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > > > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> > > >
> > > > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > > > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > > > it back on again after! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway
bar!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the
police
> > > > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of
safety
> > > > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at
fault in
> > > > > the accident.
> > > > >
> > > > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > > > proper steering control.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will
fall
> > > > > out too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local
Jeep club
> > > > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the
trail.I've
> > > > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle
without them.
> > > > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >
news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed
to remove
> > > the
> > > > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > : tia
> > > > > > > : Snow
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >

SB

Spring suspension has no such limit though?

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4089AADC.15B9D85B@sympatico.ca...
> He is playing with fire one way or another.
>
> One way if he say crosses a ditch at a 45 deg angle, the rear spring
> will fall out. This is how a stock TJ works.
>
> The other way is he has the shocks limiting the travel of the springs.
> This quickly leads to broken off shocks from the droop hits. I have
> even seen frames snap from the impacts.
>
> The bump stops prevent the axle from going to high, they need a bottom
> limit.
>
> If he checks out speed shops, he can get straps to set the droop limit.
> Track cars use them for safety.
>
> Mike
>
> Bob wrote:
> >
> > Well good thing your jeep was in good shape!
> >
> > I have a question, though, based on one of your (I think it was you)
> > previous comments also about the swaybar...namely, the rear swaybar.
> >
> > My friend's rear swaybar on his rubicon was making a bunch of noise
> > from the bushing after he got it lifted, and his solution was to
> > simply disconnect it altogether. He's now driving with no rear swaybar
> > full time. He still keeps the front connected on-road, but disconnects
> > it off-road. Personally, I thought that seemed a bit unwise, since
> > having both disconnected would seem to me likely to make for even more
> > body roll on off-camber slopes.
> >
> > What is your take on this? Both for off-road and on-road purposes? He
> > seems to think it's driving perfectly fine in both respects so far.
> > And riding in his jeep once or twice, I haven't noticed any excessive
> > rolling due to the lack of the rear SB. But if you have a good
> > argument against what he's done, I'll let him know your reasoning, and
> > he may reconsider his decision to remove that item.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
> >
> > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<408961FC.5F65D1C3@sympatico.ca>...
> > > It is a major safety item on the vehicle.
> > >
> > > I was in a bad fender bender and was told this from both the police
and
> > > my insurance rep. They 'really' look for unsafe modifications and on
a
> > > 4x4 anti sway bars on and matching tires are 'really' important.
> > >
> > > My vehicle was in perfect shape which helped me be found the not at
> > > fault driver in court.
> > >
> > > They consider taking the bar off tampering with safety equipment and
> > > would have tossed the book at me.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Interesting. I didn't know it was actually *illegal* per se. So even
> > > > though some dumbass might cut you off and cause an accident, you're
> > > > supposedly at fault because you couldn't swerve around the idiot.
> > > > Stupid, but I can definitely see that argument being made, and won.
> > > >
> > > > So, don't do as I have been bad and done in the past! Don't be lazy!
> > > > Keep that sucker attached until you're off-road, and remember to put
> > > > it back on again after! ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:<408920A4.3A514D53@sympatico.ca>...
> > > > > It is very illegal to drive on the street with no anti sway
bar!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > If you get in a fender bender bad enough (injuries) that the
police
> > > > > respond and they check out your rig and find that major piece of
safety
> > > > > equipment missing, you will get busted and be the one found at
fault in
> > > > > the accident.
> > > > >
> > > > > They will say you could maybe have avoided the accident if you had
> > > > > proper steering control.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you disconnect the rear one on a TJ, the back springs can/will
fall
> > > > > out too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you just take them right off??
> > > > > > I want to remove or disconnect them for a run with the local
Jeep club
> > > > > > Sunday...I'm looking at about an 80 KMPH speeds to get to the
trail.I've
> > > > > > never removed them before nor have I ever driven a vehicle
without them.
> > > > > > What probs can I encounter??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ThankYou, Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >
news:nLZhc.3399$w_E1.3371@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > > > > T55 . . removed mine today.
> > > > > > > -Brian
> > > > > > > "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:3YXhc.33532$CO3.1142695@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> > > > > > > : Quick Question does anyone know the size or Tork bit needed
to remove
> > > the
> > > > > > > : bolt on the sway bar link?
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > : tia
> > > > > > > : Snow
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >