Re: Question Electric fan
 

Mike Romain says...
> Dale Beckett wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain says...
> > > Dale Beckett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain says...
> > > > > []
> That is becoming an interesting option. I have a fixed fan so it should
> clear up a few HP too. It is now turning winter, so no worries until
> next summer....
>
> Mike
>

Oooohhhh. If you have a rigid fan now, you're really going to like the
difference. A rigid fan eats up significant horsepower. I won't start a
war of words by quoting how many, but let's just say it's enough that you
can definitely feel the difference. And you don't realize just how much
noise a rigid fan makes until it's gone. It's one of those "Wow!" things.

I inserted a relay into the circuit so the fan wouldn't come on without the
ignition's being on, mostly because it annoyed me to have it come on and
run for ten minutes after I was in the house, and I wasn't crazy about the
juice it would pull out of the battery by running for so long. It was noisy
too, at 2:00 in the morning sitting next to my neighbor's window.


--

Dale Beckett

Re: Question Electric fan
 

Mike Romain says...
> Dale Beckett wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain says...
> > > Dale Beckett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain says...
> > > > > []
> That is becoming an interesting option. I have a fixed fan so it should
> clear up a few HP too. It is now turning winter, so no worries until
> next summer....
>
> Mike
>

Oooohhhh. If you have a rigid fan now, you're really going to like the
difference. A rigid fan eats up significant horsepower. I won't start a
war of words by quoting how many, but let's just say it's enough that you
can definitely feel the difference. And you don't realize just how much
noise a rigid fan makes until it's gone. It's one of those "Wow!" things.

I inserted a relay into the circuit so the fan wouldn't come on without the
ignition's being on, mostly because it annoyed me to have it come on and
run for ten minutes after I was in the house, and I wasn't crazy about the
juice it would pull out of the battery by running for so long. It was noisy
too, at 2:00 in the morning sitting next to my neighbor's window.


--

Dale Beckett

Re: Question Electric fan
 

Mike Romain says...
> Dale Beckett wrote:
> >
> > Mike Romain says...
> > > Dale Beckett wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain says...
> > > > > []
> That is becoming an interesting option. I have a fixed fan so it should
> clear up a few HP too. It is now turning winter, so no worries until
> next summer....
>
> Mike
>

Oooohhhh. If you have a rigid fan now, you're really going to like the
difference. A rigid fan eats up significant horsepower. I won't start a
war of words by quoting how many, but let's just say it's enough that you
can definitely feel the difference. And you don't realize just how much
noise a rigid fan makes until it's gone. It's one of those "Wow!" things.

I inserted a relay into the circuit so the fan wouldn't come on without the
ignition's being on, mostly because it annoyed me to have it come on and
run for ten minutes after I was in the house, and I wasn't crazy about the
juice it would pull out of the battery by running for so long. It was noisy
too, at 2:00 in the morning sitting next to my neighbor's window.


--

Dale Beckett

Re: Question Electric fan
 

The fixed or clutch fan is always on, so this "can't" happen. The way Nick
from Phoenix has his wired, it "probably" won't happen. His system will
keep the radiator full of relatively cool water, because his temperature
probe is near the radiator input. If you have a stock setup, or an
aftermarket setup wired like a stock setup, then you could have problems
wiring it the way you describe.

I have driven to Guanella Pass, for example, and gotten out at the summit to
take photographs. The fan comes on for a good while when I do that. If it
didn't, it might blow steam into the coolant recovery tank. I don't know
that that would be harmful, but if I lent the vehicle to a family member,
and it happened, I would have to listen to an incoherent, rambling account
of the symptoms. I don't really need that.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9b037$4348389b$d8449845$24376@FUSE.NET...
> How would my setup have been any different than a vehicle with a fixed or
> clutch fan?
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:4348321b$1_4@alt.athenanews.com...
> > Heh, if you do that, and you shut off a hot engine, it will blow steam
> > bubbles into the radiator overflow tank. That is why they wire them the
> > way
> > they do.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:577d4$43482738$d8449845$20889@FUSE.NET...
> >> If you don't want this fan 'after-run' you can wire it so it only gets
> > power
> >> when the ignition is on. This is what I did with my first electric fan
> >> in
> >> an '84
> >>
> >> --
> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> .
> >> "Nick" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
> >> news:G4V1f.736$UF4.362@fed1read02...
> >> > The electric fan does run alot quiter than the mechanicle. It will
> >> > turn
> >> > on
> >> > even after you shut your jeep off though, which is ok becuase it will
> >> > continue to cool even after your parked. Just make sure you have a
> >> > good
> >> > battery. When I'm driving the only way I can tell it's come on
(cause
> >> > it's
> >> > so quite) is that if I'm at a stop light, the jeep will shimmy for a
> >> > second
> >> > as the engine revs go up a spot to supply the electricity to turn on
> >> > the
> >> > fan. My fan is mounted in the very back of the shroud, near the
engine
> > so
> >> > it's a good foot away from the radiator.
> >> > Nick
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:43481B02.5651FD6E@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> Dale Beckett wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike Romain says...
> >> >> > > Dale Beckett wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Mike Romain says...
> >> >> > > > > You have seen the photo of how bad I twist up my CJ with the
> >> > 'glass
> >> >> > > > > body..... I don't think I could keep a shroud in one piece
> > very
> >> >> > > > > long....
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Mike
> >> >> > > > > []
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The shroud attaches to the core. If you're flexing the core
> > enough
> >> > to break
> >> >> > > > the shroud, then you really need to come up with something
else
> > in
> >> > the way
> >> >> > > > of mounting :)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > --
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Dale Beckett
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I broke the straps on the side of my core and had to fix them
with
> >> > 1/8"
> >> >> > > x 1 1/4" straps I welded on top of them full length.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I think the fan will take out the shroud.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I really need a new frame to stiffen it back up, mine is
> >> >> > > terminally
> >> > soft
> >> >> > > and flexes like mad.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Mike
> >> >> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh, I see. I was thinking in terms of an electric fan mounted
> > directly
> >> > to
> >> >> > the shroud. It would move with the shroud, eliminating the
> > possibility
> >> > of
> >> >> > interference.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dale Beckett
> >> >>
> >> >> That is becoming an interesting option. I have a fixed fan so it
> > should
> >> >> clear up a few HP too. It is now turning winter, so no worries
until
> >> >> next summer....
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Question Electric fan
 

The fixed or clutch fan is always on, so this "can't" happen. The way Nick
from Phoenix has his wired, it "probably" won't happen. His system will
keep the radiator full of relatively cool water, because his temperature
probe is near the radiator input. If you have a stock setup, or an
aftermarket setup wired like a stock setup, then you could have problems
wiring it the way you describe.

I have driven to Guanella Pass, for example, and gotten out at the summit to
take photographs. The fan comes on for a good while when I do that. If it
didn't, it might blow steam into the coolant recovery tank. I don't know
that that would be harmful, but if I lent the vehicle to a family member,
and it happened, I would have to listen to an incoherent, rambling account
of the symptoms. I don't really need that.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9b037$4348389b$d8449845$24376@FUSE.NET...
> How would my setup have been any different than a vehicle with a fixed or
> clutch fan?
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:4348321b$1_4@alt.athenanews.com...
> > Heh, if you do that, and you shut off a hot engine, it will blow steam
> > bubbles into the radiator overflow tank. That is why they wire them the
> > way
> > they do.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:577d4$43482738$d8449845$20889@FUSE.NET...
> >> If you don't want this fan 'after-run' you can wire it so it only gets
> > power
> >> when the ignition is on. This is what I did with my first electric fan
> >> in
> >> an '84
> >>
> >> --
> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> .
> >> "Nick" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
> >> news:G4V1f.736$UF4.362@fed1read02...
> >> > The electric fan does run alot quiter than the mechanicle. It will
> >> > turn
> >> > on
> >> > even after you shut your jeep off though, which is ok becuase it will
> >> > continue to cool even after your parked. Just make sure you have a
> >> > good
> >> > battery. When I'm driving the only way I can tell it's come on
(cause
> >> > it's
> >> > so quite) is that if I'm at a stop light, the jeep will shimmy for a
> >> > second
> >> > as the engine revs go up a spot to supply the electricity to turn on
> >> > the
> >> > fan. My fan is mounted in the very back of the shroud, near the
engine
> > so
> >> > it's a good foot away from the radiator.
> >> > Nick
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:43481B02.5651FD6E@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> Dale Beckett wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike Romain says...
> >> >> > > Dale Beckett wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Mike Romain says...
> >> >> > > > > You have seen the photo of how bad I twist up my CJ with the
> >> > 'glass
> >> >> > > > > body..... I don't think I could keep a shroud in one piece
> > very
> >> >> > > > > long....
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Mike
> >> >> > > > > []
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The shroud attaches to the core. If you're flexing the core
> > enough
> >> > to break
> >> >> > > > the shroud, then you really need to come up with something
else
> > in
> >> > the way
> >> >> > > > of mounting :)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > --
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Dale Beckett
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I broke the straps on the side of my core and had to fix them
with
> >> > 1/8"
> >> >> > > x 1 1/4" straps I welded on top of them full length.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I think the fan will take out the shroud.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I really need a new frame to stiffen it back up, mine is
> >> >> > > terminally
> >> > soft
> >> >> > > and flexes like mad.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Mike
> >> >> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh, I see. I was thinking in terms of an electric fan mounted
> > directly
> >> > to
> >> >> > the shroud. It would move with the shroud, eliminating the
> > possibility
> >> > of
> >> >> > interference.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dale Beckett
> >> >>
> >> >> That is becoming an interesting option. I have a fixed fan so it
> > should
> >> >> clear up a few HP too. It is now turning winter, so no worries
until
> >> >> next summer....
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: Question Electric fan
 

The fixed or clutch fan is always on, so this "can't" happen. The way Nick
from Phoenix has his wired, it "probably" won't happen. His system will
keep the radiator full of relatively cool water, because his temperature
probe is near the radiator input. If you have a stock setup, or an
aftermarket setup wired like a stock setup, then you could have problems
wiring it the way you describe.

I have driven to Guanella Pass, for example, and gotten out at the summit to
take photographs. The fan comes on for a good while when I do that. If it
didn't, it might blow steam into the coolant recovery tank. I don't know
that that would be harmful, but if I lent the vehicle to a family member,
and it happened, I would have to listen to an incoherent, rambling account
of the symptoms. I don't really need that.

Earle

"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:9b037$4348389b$d8449845$24376@FUSE.NET...
> How would my setup have been any different than a vehicle with a fixed or
> clutch fan?
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:4348321b$1_4@alt.athenanews.com...
> > Heh, if you do that, and you shut off a hot engine, it will blow steam
> > bubbles into the radiator overflow tank. That is why they wire them the
> > way
> > they do.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:577d4$43482738$d8449845$20889@FUSE.NET...
> >> If you don't want this fan 'after-run' you can wire it so it only gets
> > power
> >> when the ignition is on. This is what I did with my first electric fan
> >> in
> >> an '84
> >>
> >> --
> >> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> .
> >> "Nick" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
> >> news:G4V1f.736$UF4.362@fed1read02...
> >> > The electric fan does run alot quiter than the mechanicle. It will
> >> > turn
> >> > on
> >> > even after you shut your jeep off though, which is ok becuase it will
> >> > continue to cool even after your parked. Just make sure you have a
> >> > good
> >> > battery. When I'm driving the only way I can tell it's come on
(cause
> >> > it's
> >> > so quite) is that if I'm at a stop light, the jeep will shimmy for a
> >> > second
> >> > as the engine revs go up a spot to supply the electricity to turn on
> >> > the
> >> > fan. My fan is mounted in the very back of the shroud, near the
engine
> > so
> >> > it's a good foot away from the radiator.
> >> > Nick
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:43481B02.5651FD6E@sympatico.ca...
> >> >> Dale Beckett wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Mike Romain says...
> >> >> > > Dale Beckett wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Mike Romain says...
> >> >> > > > > You have seen the photo of how bad I twist up my CJ with the
> >> > 'glass
> >> >> > > > > body..... I don't think I could keep a shroud in one piece
> > very
> >> >> > > > > long....
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Mike
> >> >> > > > > []
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > The shroud attaches to the core. If you're flexing the core
> > enough
> >> > to break
> >> >> > > > the shroud, then you really need to come up with something
else
> > in
> >> > the way
> >> >> > > > of mounting :)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > --
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Dale Beckett
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I broke the straps on the side of my core and had to fix them
with
> >> > 1/8"
> >> >> > > x 1 1/4" straps I welded on top of them full length.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I think the fan will take out the shroud.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I really need a new frame to stiffen it back up, mine is
> >> >> > > terminally
> >> > soft
> >> >> > > and flexes like mad.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Mike
> >> >> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Oh, I see. I was thinking in terms of an electric fan mounted
> > directly
> >> > to
> >> >> > the shroud. It would move with the shroud, eliminating the
> > possibility
> >> > of
> >> >> > interference.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dale Beckett
> >> >>
> >> >> That is becoming an interesting option. I have a fixed fan so it
> > should
> >> >> clear up a few HP too. It is now turning winter, so no worries
until
> >> >> next summer....
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>