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Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure
everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > I disagree! > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > helped. > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > link.... > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > symptoms.... > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about > > it. > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain > > > straight. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > friction > > > in > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > "settle". > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level, > > your > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center? > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > draglink > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > factory > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1" > > > of > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about > > > > 7-8". > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a > > > bad > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > orientation > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > right. > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes, > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure
everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > I disagree! > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > helped. > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > link.... > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > symptoms.... > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about > > it. > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain > > > straight. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > friction > > > in > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > "settle". > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level, > > your > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center? > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > draglink > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > factory > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1" > > > of > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about > > > > 7-8". > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a > > > bad > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > orientation > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > right. > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes, > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure
everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > I disagree! > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > helped. > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > link.... > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > symptoms.... > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about > > it. > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain > > > straight. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > friction > > > in > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > "settle". > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level, > > your > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center? > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > draglink > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > factory > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1" > > > of > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about > > > > 7-8". > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a > > > bad > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > orientation > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > right. > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes, > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Well, I even helped Norm do his spring swap. There were 4 or 5 of us
and we did torque everything correctly, but the 'used' springs reacted differently than new ones to book torque specs so the u-bolts came loose anyway. It certainly isn't something that should be ignored. His u-bolts can also be 'torqued out'. Once they get stretched once or twice, they can go soft and never hold a torque again. I think that is what happened to Norm's. Technically, leaf spring U-bolts, like head bolts are only supposed to be used once to avoid this exact thing from happening. Mike Tom Greening wrote: > > Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure > everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, > none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, > so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts > someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or > replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > > I disagree! > > > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > > helped. > > > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > > link.... > > > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > > symptoms.... > > > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during > actual > > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all > over > > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget > about > > > it. > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I > was > > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels > remain > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > > friction > > > > in > > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > > "settle". > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and > level, > > > your > > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to > center? > > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I > added a > > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > > draglink > > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > > factory > > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" > of > > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also > got 1" > > > > of > > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at > about > > > > > 7-8". > > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually > with a > > > > bad > > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped > or > > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing > the > > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > > orientation > > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = > tires > > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, > vibes, > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Well, I even helped Norm do his spring swap. There were 4 or 5 of us
and we did torque everything correctly, but the 'used' springs reacted differently than new ones to book torque specs so the u-bolts came loose anyway. It certainly isn't something that should be ignored. His u-bolts can also be 'torqued out'. Once they get stretched once or twice, they can go soft and never hold a torque again. I think that is what happened to Norm's. Technically, leaf spring U-bolts, like head bolts are only supposed to be used once to avoid this exact thing from happening. Mike Tom Greening wrote: > > Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure > everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, > none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, > so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts > someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or > replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > > I disagree! > > > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > > helped. > > > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > > link.... > > > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > > symptoms.... > > > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during > actual > > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all > over > > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget > about > > > it. > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I > was > > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels > remain > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > > friction > > > > in > > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > > "settle". > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and > level, > > > your > > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to > center? > > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I > added a > > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > > draglink > > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > > factory > > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" > of > > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also > got 1" > > > > of > > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at > about > > > > > 7-8". > > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually > with a > > > > bad > > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped > or > > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing > the > > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > > orientation > > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = > tires > > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, > vibes, > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Well, I even helped Norm do his spring swap. There were 4 or 5 of us
and we did torque everything correctly, but the 'used' springs reacted differently than new ones to book torque specs so the u-bolts came loose anyway. It certainly isn't something that should be ignored. His u-bolts can also be 'torqued out'. Once they get stretched once or twice, they can go soft and never hold a torque again. I think that is what happened to Norm's. Technically, leaf spring U-bolts, like head bolts are only supposed to be used once to avoid this exact thing from happening. Mike Tom Greening wrote: > > Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure > everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, > none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, > so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts > someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or > replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > > I disagree! > > > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > > helped. > > > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > > link.... > > > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > > symptoms.... > > > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during > actual > > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all > over > > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget > about > > > it. > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I > was > > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels > remain > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > > friction > > > > in > > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > > "settle". > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and > level, > > > your > > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to > center? > > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I > added a > > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > > draglink > > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > > factory > > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" > of > > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also > got 1" > > > > of > > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at > about > > > > > 7-8". > > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually > with a > > > > bad > > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped > or > > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing > the > > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > > orientation > > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = > tires > > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, > vibes, > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Well, I even helped Norm do his spring swap. There were 4 or 5 of us
and we did torque everything correctly, but the 'used' springs reacted differently than new ones to book torque specs so the u-bolts came loose anyway. It certainly isn't something that should be ignored. His u-bolts can also be 'torqued out'. Once they get stretched once or twice, they can go soft and never hold a torque again. I think that is what happened to Norm's. Technically, leaf spring U-bolts, like head bolts are only supposed to be used once to avoid this exact thing from happening. Mike Tom Greening wrote: > > Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure > everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, > none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, > so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts > someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or > replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > > I disagree! > > > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > > helped. > > > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > > link.... > > > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > > symptoms.... > > > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during > actual > > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all > over > > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget > about > > > it. > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I > was > > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels > remain > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > > friction > > > > in > > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > > "settle". > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and > level, > > > your > > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to > center? > > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I > added a > > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > > draglink > > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > > factory > > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" > of > > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also > got 1" > > > > of > > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at > about > > > > > 7-8". > > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually > with a > > > > bad > > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped > or > > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing > the > > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > > orientation > > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = > tires > > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > > right. > > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, > vibes, > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Hopefully when he finds his fix, he'll post here. I'll be curious to know
the result. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:432591A3.3B6EA3E9@sympatico.ca... > Well, I even helped Norm do his spring swap. There were 4 or 5 of us > and we did torque everything correctly, but the 'used' springs reacted > differently than new ones to book torque specs so the u-bolts came loose > anyway. > > It certainly isn't something that should be ignored. > > His u-bolts can also be 'torqued out'. Once they get stretched once or > twice, they can go soft and never hold a torque again. I think that is > what happened to Norm's. > > Technically, leaf spring U-bolts, like head bolts are only supposed to > be used once to avoid this exact thing from happening. > > Mike > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure > > everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, > > none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, > > so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts > > someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or > > replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > > > I disagree! > > > > > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > > > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > > > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > > > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > > > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > > > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > > > helped. > > > > > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > > > link.... > > > > > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > > > > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > > > > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > > > symptoms.... > > > > > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > > > > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during > > actual > > > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all > > over > > > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget > > about > > > > it. > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I > > was > > > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels > > remain > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > > > friction > > > > > in > > > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > > > "settle". > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and > > level, > > > > your > > > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to > > center? > > > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I > > added a > > > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > > > draglink > > > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > > > factory > > > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" > > of > > > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also > > got 1" > > > > > of > > > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at > > about > > > > > > 7-8". > > > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually > > with a > > > > > bad > > > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped > > or > > > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing > > the > > > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > > > orientation > > > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = > > tires > > > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, > > vibes, > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Hopefully when he finds his fix, he'll post here. I'll be curious to know
the result. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:432591A3.3B6EA3E9@sympatico.ca... > Well, I even helped Norm do his spring swap. There were 4 or 5 of us > and we did torque everything correctly, but the 'used' springs reacted > differently than new ones to book torque specs so the u-bolts came loose > anyway. > > It certainly isn't something that should be ignored. > > His u-bolts can also be 'torqued out'. Once they get stretched once or > twice, they can go soft and never hold a torque again. I think that is > what happened to Norm's. > > Technically, leaf spring U-bolts, like head bolts are only supposed to > be used once to avoid this exact thing from happening. > > Mike > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure > > everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, > > none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, > > so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts > > someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or > > replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > > > I disagree! > > > > > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > > > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > > > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > > > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > > > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > > > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > > > helped. > > > > > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > > > link.... > > > > > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > > > > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > > > > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > > > symptoms.... > > > > > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > > > > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during > > actual > > > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all > > over > > > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget > > about > > > > it. > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I > > was > > > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels > > remain > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > > > friction > > > > > in > > > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > > > "settle". > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and > > level, > > > > your > > > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to > > center? > > > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I > > added a > > > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > > > draglink > > > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > > > factory > > > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" > > of > > > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also > > got 1" > > > > > of > > > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at > > about > > > > > > 7-8". > > > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually > > with a > > > > > bad > > > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped > > or > > > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing > > the > > > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > > > orientation > > > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = > > tires > > > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, > > vibes, > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
Hopefully when he finds his fix, he'll post here. I'll be curious to know
the result. "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:432591A3.3B6EA3E9@sympatico.ca... > Well, I even helped Norm do his spring swap. There were 4 or 5 of us > and we did torque everything correctly, but the 'used' springs reacted > differently than new ones to book torque specs so the u-bolts came loose > anyway. > > It certainly isn't something that should be ignored. > > His u-bolts can also be 'torqued out'. Once they get stretched once or > twice, they can go soft and never hold a torque again. I think that is > what happened to Norm's. > > Technically, leaf spring U-bolts, like head bolts are only supposed to > be used once to avoid this exact thing from happening. > > Mike > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure > > everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post, > > none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs, > > so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts > > someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or > > replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim. > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca... > > > I disagree! > > > > > > The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He > > > didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a > > > swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his > > > driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin > > > while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was > > > lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and > > > helped. > > > > > > Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag > > > link.... > > > > > > A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms.... > > > > > > A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms.... > > > > > > A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those > > > symptoms.... > > > > > > Or a loose spring pack U-bolt. > > > > > > A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them. > > > > > > Mike > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > > > > > > Tom Greening wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive > > > > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say > > > > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during > > actual > > > > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component > > > > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all > > over > > > > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget > > about > > > > it. > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com... > > > > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I > > was > > > > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels > > remain > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. . > > > > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough > > > > friction > > > > > in > > > > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel > > > > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things > > > > "settle". > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and > > level, > > > > your > > > > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to > > center? > > > > > > Doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I > > added a > > > > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another > > > > > draglink > > > > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the > > > > factory > > > > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" > > of > > > > > > threads holding the whole mess together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com... > > > > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also > > got 1" > > > > > of > > > > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at > > about > > > > > > 7-8". > > > > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually > > with a > > > > > bad > > > > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped > > or > > > > > > moving? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... > > > > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing > > the > > > > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the > > > > > > orientation > > > > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com... > > > > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now for the problems! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = > > tires > > > > > > > straight. > > > > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the > > > > > right. > > > > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, > > vibes, > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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