Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
straight.

Carl

"Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough friction
in
> the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things "settle".
>
> Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level, your
> wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> Doesn't make sense to me.
>
> I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
draglink
> that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the factory
> one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> threads holding the whole mess together.
>
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
of
> > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> 7-8".
> > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
bad
> > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> moving?
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> orientation
> > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > >
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > >
> > > > Now for the problems!
> > > >
> > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > straight.
> > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
right.
> > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > >
> > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > anything.
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
it.


"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> straight.
>
> Carl
>
> "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
friction
> in
> > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
"settle".
> >
> > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
your
> > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > Doesn't make sense to me.
> >
> > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> draglink
> > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
factory
> > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > threads holding the whole mess together.
> >
> >
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> of
> > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > 7-8".
> > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> bad
> > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > moving?
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > orientation
> > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > >
> > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > straight.
> > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> right.
> > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > >
> > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
it.


"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> straight.
>
> Carl
>
> "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
friction
> in
> > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
"settle".
> >
> > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
your
> > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > Doesn't make sense to me.
> >
> > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> draglink
> > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
factory
> > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > threads holding the whole mess together.
> >
> >
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> of
> > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > 7-8".
> > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> bad
> > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > moving?
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > orientation
> > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > >
> > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > straight.
> > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> right.
> > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > >
> > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
it.


"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> straight.
>
> Carl
>
> "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
friction
> in
> > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
"settle".
> >
> > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
your
> > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > Doesn't make sense to me.
> >
> > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> draglink
> > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
factory
> > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > threads holding the whole mess together.
> >
> >
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> of
> > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > 7-8".
> > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> bad
> > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > moving?
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > orientation
> > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > >
> > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > straight.
> > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> right.
> > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > >
> > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
it.


"Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> straight.
>
> Carl
>
> "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
friction
> in
> > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
"settle".
> >
> > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
your
> > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > Doesn't make sense to me.
> >
> > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> draglink
> > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
factory
> > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > threads holding the whole mess together.
> >
> >
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> of
> > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > 7-8".
> > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> bad
> > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > moving?
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > orientation
> > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > >
> > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > straight.
> > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> right.
> > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > >
> > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > anything.
> > > > >
> > > > > TIA
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I disagree!

The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He
didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a
swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his
driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin
while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was
lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and
helped.

Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag
link....

A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms....

A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms....

A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those
symptoms....

Or a loose spring pack U-bolt.

A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Tom Greening wrote:
>
> I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
> answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
> adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
> driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
> friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
> to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
> it.
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> > straight.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
> friction
> > in
> > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
> "settle".
> > >
> > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
> your
> > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > > Doesn't make sense to me.
> > >
> > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> > draglink
> > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
> factory
> > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > > threads holding the whole mess together.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> > of
> > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > > 7-8".
> > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> > bad
> > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > > moving?
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > > orientation
> > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > > straight.
> > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> > right.
> > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > > anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I disagree!

The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He
didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a
swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his
driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin
while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was
lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and
helped.

Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag
link....

A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms....

A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms....

A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those
symptoms....

Or a loose spring pack U-bolt.

A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Tom Greening wrote:
>
> I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
> answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
> adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
> driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
> friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
> to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
> it.
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> > straight.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
> friction
> > in
> > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
> "settle".
> > >
> > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
> your
> > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > > Doesn't make sense to me.
> > >
> > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> > draglink
> > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
> factory
> > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > > threads holding the whole mess together.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> > of
> > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > > 7-8".
> > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> > bad
> > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > > moving?
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > > orientation
> > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > > straight.
> > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> > right.
> > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > > anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I disagree!

The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He
didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a
swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his
driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin
while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was
lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and
helped.

Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag
link....

A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms....

A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms....

A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those
symptoms....

Or a loose spring pack U-bolt.

A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Tom Greening wrote:
>
> I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
> answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
> adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
> driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
> friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
> to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
> it.
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> > straight.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
> friction
> > in
> > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
> "settle".
> > >
> > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
> your
> > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > > Doesn't make sense to me.
> > >
> > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> > draglink
> > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
> factory
> > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > > threads holding the whole mess together.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> > of
> > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > > 7-8".
> > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> > bad
> > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > > moving?
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > > orientation
> > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > > straight.
> > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> > right.
> > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > > anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

I disagree!

The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He
didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a
swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his
driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin
while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was
lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and
helped.

Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag
link....

A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms....

A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms....

A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those
symptoms....

Or a loose spring pack U-bolt.

A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


Tom Greening wrote:
>
> I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
> answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
> adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during actual
> driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
> friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all over
> to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget about
> it.
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I was
> > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels remain
> > straight.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
> friction
> > in
> > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
> "settle".
> > >
> > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and level,
> your
> > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to center?
> > > Doesn't make sense to me.
> > >
> > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I added a
> > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> > draglink
> > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
> factory
> > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2" of
> > > threads holding the whole mess together.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also got 1"
> > of
> > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at about
> > > 7-8".
> > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually with a
> > bad
> > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped or
> > > moving?
> > > >
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing the
> > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > > orientation
> > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight = tires
> > > > straight.
> > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> > right.
> > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer, vibes,
> > > > > anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

Re: Put on another Inch, steering slop?
 

Maybe maybe not, but in any case that's why I recommended he make sure
everything underneath was "up to specs". If I understood the original post,
none of these symptoms were present until just after he swapped out springs,
so I doubt the busted steering box or broken frame. At worst loose u-bolts
someplace but I'd guess the odds of him forgetting to tighten ubolts or
replace bad bushings are slim. Possible, but slim.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:432583AF.514BF328@sympatico.ca...
> I disagree!
>
> The last person I know to change springs had the exact symptoms. He
> didn't worry until he was lost, 25 miles from the nearest phone, in a
> swamp when that loose U-bolt let the axle move back far enough for his
> driveshaft to fall out. It also snapped the spring pack's centering pin
> while it was at it. That was Norm Mitchell from this group. He was
> lucky and heard us on the CB in the area so we tracked him down and
> helped.
>
> Something is broken or loose to have those symptoms and it isn't a drag
> link....
>
> A snapped frame can also cause those symptoms....
>
> A steering box snapped loose from the frame can cause those symptoms....
>
> A missing or dead bushing in a main leaf's anchor end can cause those
> symptoms....
>
> Or a loose spring pack U-bolt.
>
> A dead track bar on a coil sprung unit can also cause them.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Tom Greening wrote:
> >
> > I'd have to go with the draglink still. It's hard to give a definitive
> > answer from the confines of my LazyBoy, but at the very least I'd say
> > adjusting your draglink will bring the wheel back to center during
actual
> > driving. I'd still wager the at rest issue is a steering component
> > friction/flex issue and wouldn't worry too much about it. Look it all
over
> > to make sure everything is within spec, adjust the link, and forget
about
> > it.
> >
> > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:g8OdnV8Y7cJln7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...
> > > When i stop, the wheel remains mostly as off center as it was when I
was
> > > driving. However, when stopped, if I center the wheel the wheels
remain
> > > straight.
> > >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > news:CX6Ve.14371$uD6.5371@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com.. .
> > > > I don't really know. Maybe when you are at rest there is enough
> > friction
> > > in
> > > > the tires, and enough flex in the steering components to allow wheel
> > > > movement without tire movement. Once you start to move, things
> > "settle".
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that if you are driving along on a straight and
level,
> > your
> > > > wheel is off center, but as soon as you stop it moves back to
center?
> > > > Doesn't make sense to me.
> > > >
> > > > I'd take a look-see at the draglink. I know when I did my SOA I
added a
> > > > drop pitman to get it back to decent angle, and had to get another
> > > draglink
> > > > that had more adjustment length to it. By the time I adjusted the
> > factory
> > > > one out to where my wheel was centered, there were only about 1/2"
of
> > > > threads holding the whole mess together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:hZmdnfrzZdWZeLneRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> > > > > I all ready did a spring-over on it, lifting it 5.5". It's also
got 1"
> > > of
> > > > > shackle lift, giving it 6.5". Now with the new springs, it's at
about
> > > > 7-8".
> > > > > I put a 4" drop pitman arm on to correct the steering. Usually
with a
> > > bad
> > > > > alignment, isn't the steering off ALL the time? ie, when stopped
or
> > > > moving?
> > > > >
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom Greening" <tgreen@yohmama.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Sp5Ve.14351$uD6.821@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > > > > > Haven't you in actually "lifted" your vehicle, thereby changing
the
> > > > > > effective length of the draglink, which is going to affect the
> > > > orientation
> > > > > > of "straight ahead" in relation to steering wheel position?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:xY6dndkIwrNXKrneRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> > > > > > > Since when does 1 more inch cause steering problems?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now for the problems!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When the Jeep is on the ground, steering wheel straight =
tires
> > > > > straight.
> > > > > > > When the Jeep is moving, the steering wheel is 1/4 turn to the
> > > right.
> > > > > > > Braking it doesn't pull. Do I just need an alignment?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Other than that, everything works great. No DW, bumpsteer,
vibes,
> > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TIA
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Carl
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >