preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
appreciated.

--
Nathan in Montana
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
http://1911Talk.com
http://GlockCarry.com

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

You know Nate, you could teach her to NOT mash the pedals so hard.

I don't know that a Libby is appreciably longer, lower, or wider than a TJ.
It seems to me that the main difference is the permanant roof and windows.
Having said that, you've been around here long enough to know all of that
....





"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

You know Nate, you could teach her to NOT mash the pedals so hard.

I don't know that a Libby is appreciably longer, lower, or wider than a TJ.
It seems to me that the main difference is the permanant roof and windows.
Having said that, you've been around here long enough to know all of that
....





"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

You know Nate, you could teach her to NOT mash the pedals so hard.

I don't know that a Libby is appreciably longer, lower, or wider than a TJ.
It seems to me that the main difference is the permanant roof and windows.
Having said that, you've been around here long enough to know all of that
....





"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

You know Nate, you could teach her to NOT mash the pedals so hard.

I don't know that a Libby is appreciably longer, lower, or wider than a TJ.
It seems to me that the main difference is the permanant roof and windows.
Having said that, you've been around here long enough to know all of that
....





"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Nathan In Montana wrote:
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>

I started my son off in my CJ7 about that age.... off road in the winter
on ice. He learned fast how fast they swap ends in places where it was
'safe' to do so and has turned out to be a good driver, now at 23.

When I see the Liberty and Wrangler side by side, my impression is the
Liberty is the top heavy one?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Nathan In Montana wrote:
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>

I started my son off in my CJ7 about that age.... off road in the winter
on ice. He learned fast how fast they swap ends in places where it was
'safe' to do so and has turned out to be a good driver, now at 23.

When I see the Liberty and Wrangler side by side, my impression is the
Liberty is the top heavy one?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Nathan In Montana wrote:
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>

I started my son off in my CJ7 about that age.... off road in the winter
on ice. He learned fast how fast they swap ends in places where it was
'safe' to do so and has turned out to be a good driver, now at 23.

When I see the Liberty and Wrangler side by side, my impression is the
Liberty is the top heavy one?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Nathan In Montana wrote:
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>

I started my son off in my CJ7 about that age.... off road in the winter
on ice. He learned fast how fast they swap ends in places where it was
'safe' to do so and has turned out to be a good driver, now at 23.

When I see the Liberty and Wrangler side by side, my impression is the
Liberty is the top heavy one?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd recommend finding a nice late model Cherokee.

I got my license at 14 in Arkansas, but I had an adult companion restriction
until I turned 16.

"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd recommend finding a nice late model Cherokee.

I got my license at 14 in Arkansas, but I had an adult companion restriction
until I turned 16.

"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd recommend finding a nice late model Cherokee.

I got my license at 14 in Arkansas, but I had an adult companion restriction
until I turned 16.

"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd recommend finding a nice late model Cherokee.

I got my license at 14 in Arkansas, but I had an adult companion restriction
until I turned 16.

"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Hi Sandman,
Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>
>



--
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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Hi Sandman,
Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>
>



--
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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Hi Sandman,
Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>
>



--
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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Hi Sandman,
Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>
>



--
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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd reccomend a late model Cherokee XJ with NP242 t-case so she's got AWD in
the winter. XJ's are very forgiving, and tough as nails in a crash.

Carl


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd reccomend a late model Cherokee XJ with NP242 t-case so she's got AWD in
the winter. XJ's are very forgiving, and tough as nails in a crash.

Carl


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd reccomend a late model Cherokee XJ with NP242 t-case so she's got AWD in
the winter. XJ's are very forgiving, and tough as nails in a crash.

Carl


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

I'd reccomend a late model Cherokee XJ with NP242 t-case so she's got AWD in
the winter. XJ's are very forgiving, and tough as nails in a crash.

Carl


"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> appreciated.
>
> --
> Nathan in Montana
> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
> http://1911Talk.com
> http://GlockCarry.com
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Around 4/26/2007 3:10 PM, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Sandman,
> Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
> mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
> may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
> and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
> daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:--------------------

Hmm. Based on the taillights and the molding... Late '83 or early '84?
Hard to tell without seeing the grille. Excellent cars.


I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
exceptionally forgiving.

What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)



Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
well they're taught. :)

That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
habits.



> "Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them
>> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>> appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan in Montana
>> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>> http://1911Talk.com
>> http://GlockCarry.com


--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Around 4/26/2007 3:10 PM, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Sandman,
> Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
> mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
> may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
> and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
> daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:--------------------

Hmm. Based on the taillights and the molding... Late '83 or early '84?
Hard to tell without seeing the grille. Excellent cars.


I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
exceptionally forgiving.

What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)



Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
well they're taught. :)

That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
habits.



> "Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them
>> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>> appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan in Montana
>> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>> http://1911Talk.com
>> http://GlockCarry.com


--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Around 4/26/2007 3:10 PM, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Sandman,
> Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
> mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
> may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
> and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
> daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:--------------------

Hmm. Based on the taillights and the molding... Late '83 or early '84?
Hard to tell without seeing the grille. Excellent cars.


I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
exceptionally forgiving.

What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)



Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
well they're taught. :)

That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
habits.



> "Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them
>> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>> appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan in Montana
>> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>> http://1911Talk.com
>> http://GlockCarry.com


--
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{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Around 4/26/2007 3:10 PM, L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:

> Hi Sandman,
> Been there done than. Get her a beater, the larger the better, some low
> mileage gas guzzler out of a widow's garage. The cheapest life insurance you
> may buy, for your daughter. Then when she graduates for from High School,
> and goes off to College to get her MRS, get her something sporty. My
> daughter in '89: http://www.----------.com/temp/jamieStang89.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:--------------------

Hmm. Based on the taillights and the molding... Late '83 or early '84?
Hard to tell without seeing the grille. Excellent cars.


I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
exceptionally forgiving.

What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)



Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
well they're taught. :)

That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
habits.



> "Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:7d-dneYpfM5hZK3bnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@bresnan.com...
>> my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>> drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>> wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>> her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
> them
>> 2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>> appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Nathan in Montana
>> http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
>> http://1911Talk.com
>> http://GlockCarry.com


--
~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
{ }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

My parents taught me, sat on my dad's lap at six, then my mother at age
10 would let me drive her in the Crosley to the dump, then I got an
unrestricted California license at fourteen because my parent owned a ranch.
My Wife took the time to teach our Son, but he'd already had lots of
practice with off-road motorcycles and Tri-Zs, but he had to wait until
sixteen. Our daughter my lost her Mom's patients when they crashed the
rent-a-car into the curb on the opposite side after a left turn, so Sears
took over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message
news:59dhtkF2kl98rU1@mid.individual.net
>
> I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
> Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
> as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
> on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
> exceptionally forgiving.
>
> What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
> enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)
>
> Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
> well they're taught. :)
>
> That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
> was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
> I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
> them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
> practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
> habits.
> --
> ~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
> { }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

My parents taught me, sat on my dad's lap at six, then my mother at age
10 would let me drive her in the Crosley to the dump, then I got an
unrestricted California license at fourteen because my parent owned a ranch.
My Wife took the time to teach our Son, but he'd already had lots of
practice with off-road motorcycles and Tri-Zs, but he had to wait until
sixteen. Our daughter my lost her Mom's patients when they crashed the
rent-a-car into the curb on the opposite side after a left turn, so Sears
took over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message
news:59dhtkF2kl98rU1@mid.individual.net
>
> I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
> Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
> as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
> on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
> exceptionally forgiving.
>
> What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
> enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)
>
> Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
> well they're taught. :)
>
> That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
> was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
> I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
> them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
> practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
> habits.
> --
> ~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
> { }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

My parents taught me, sat on my dad's lap at six, then my mother at age
10 would let me drive her in the Crosley to the dump, then I got an
unrestricted California license at fourteen because my parent owned a ranch.
My Wife took the time to teach our Son, but he'd already had lots of
practice with off-road motorcycles and Tri-Zs, but he had to wait until
sixteen. Our daughter my lost her Mom's patients when they crashed the
rent-a-car into the curb on the opposite side after a left turn, so Sears
took over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message
news:59dhtkF2kl98rU1@mid.individual.net
>
> I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
> Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
> as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
> on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
> exceptionally forgiving.
>
> What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
> enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)
>
> Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
> well they're taught. :)
>
> That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
> was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
> I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
> them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
> practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
> habits.
> --
> ~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
> { }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

My parents taught me, sat on my dad's lap at six, then my mother at age
10 would let me drive her in the Crosley to the dump, then I got an
unrestricted California license at fourteen because my parent owned a ranch.
My Wife took the time to teach our Son, but he'd already had lots of
practice with off-road motorcycles and Tri-Zs, but he had to wait until
sixteen. Our daughter my lost her Mom's patients when they crashed the
rent-a-car into the curb on the opposite side after a left turn, so Sears
took over.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Garth Almgren" <nospam@v6stang.com> wrote in message
news:59dhtkF2kl98rU1@mid.individual.net
>
> I'm sure Nathan has heard this before in RAMFM, but 6 or 4 banger FOX
> Mustangs are some of the best cars for a new driver to learn in. As safe
> as any car without airbags can be (maybe a plus or a negative, depending
> on the size of the driver), reliable, very cheap these days, and
> exceptionally forgiving.
>
> What may be more important for a teenage girl, they still look good
> enough that they won't be embarrassed to be seen in one. :)
>
> Jeff and Mike are right: Far more important than "which vehicle" is how
> well they're taught. :)
>
> That, plus practice, practice, and more practice. Almost every minute I
> was in the same vehicle as my parents after getting my learner's permit,
> I was the one behind the wheel. I probably had more miles than both of
> them combined during the 6 months before I got my license. The constant
> practice more than anything has helped me to maintain my good driving
> habits.
> --
> ~/Garth - 1993 Wrangler S 2.5
> { }|||||||{ } "MukYJ"



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Good day,

Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
with a jeep Liberty.
It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
driver.
Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.

And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
how to drive!)



On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
<MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:

>my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
>2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>appreciated.

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Good day,

Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
with a jeep Liberty.
It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
driver.
Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.

And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
how to drive!)



On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
<MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:

>my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
>2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>appreciated.

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Good day,

Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
with a jeep Liberty.
It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
driver.
Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.

And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
how to drive!)



On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
<MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:

>my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
>2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>appreciated.

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

Good day,

Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
with a jeep Liberty.
It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
driver.
Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.

And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
how to drive!)



On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
<MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:

>my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
>drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
>wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for her.
>her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered them
>2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
>appreciated.

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

But suppose you run into her driving '69 Lincoln, head on one of your
high speed turns?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Socks" <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:qp93335f2dmtka6tuk5qudva7oqhq791kk@4ax.com...
> Good day,
>
> Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
> If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
> with a jeep Liberty.
> It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
> skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
> road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
> driver.
> Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.
>
> And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
> worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
> better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
> as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
> command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
> how to drive!)
>
>
>
> On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
> <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> >drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> >wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for
her.
> >her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> >2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> >appreciated.



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

But suppose you run into her driving '69 Lincoln, head on one of your
high speed turns?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Socks" <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:qp93335f2dmtka6tuk5qudva7oqhq791kk@4ax.com...
> Good day,
>
> Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
> If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
> with a jeep Liberty.
> It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
> skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
> road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
> driver.
> Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.
>
> And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
> worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
> better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
> as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
> command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
> how to drive!)
>
>
>
> On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
> <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> >drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> >wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for
her.
> >her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> >2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> >appreciated.



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

But suppose you run into her driving '69 Lincoln, head on one of your
high speed turns?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Socks" <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:qp93335f2dmtka6tuk5qudva7oqhq791kk@4ax.com...
> Good day,
>
> Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
> If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
> with a jeep Liberty.
> It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
> skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
> road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
> driver.
> Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.
>
> And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
> worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
> better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
> as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
> command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
> how to drive!)
>
>
>
> On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
> <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> >drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> >wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for
her.
> >her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> >2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> >appreciated.



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

But suppose you run into her driving '69 Lincoln, head on one of your
high speed turns?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Socks" <socks09@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:qp93335f2dmtka6tuk5qudva7oqhq791kk@4ax.com...
> Good day,
>
> Nothing wrong with a Liberty...
> If your daughter learns who to "drive", then there is nothing wrong
> with a jeep Liberty.
> It holds 4 passengers and is more than capable in stock form(Although
> skid plates are recommended for more abrasive use) to tackle some off
> road stuff. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with it as a daily
> driver.
> Unless your personal opinion, vehicle preference gets in the way.
>
> And as far as getting your girl a "gas guzzler" which probably handles
> worse than a Jeep Liberty... The liberty most definitely handles
> better, Take my word for it... I rally race a car and use my Liberty
> as a chase vehicle and it is more than capable of going slidedays on
> command. (Without flipping over or rolling... But then again, I know
> how to drive!)
>
>
>
> On Thou, 26 Apr 2007 13:14:14 -0600, "Nathan In Montana"
> <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >my 14 year old is preparing to get her drivers permit (montana licenses
> >drivers at 15) and her first choice is a wrangler. due to the short
> >wheelbase and icy roads i dont think this would be a smart choice for
her.
> >her second choice is a liberty. i havent driven one since jeep lowered
them
> >2" in '02/'03(?) and im not sure how forgiving they are. feedback
> >appreciated.



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Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

We are talking about a "Daily driver" here.
There still is nothing wrong with a Jeep Liberty for that purpose.

And suppose that you Mr. ------ The Third, were driving "that" '69
Lincoln (with suicide doors of course), and were unfortunately
involved in that " head on" accident with a Jeep Liberty? Chances are
(I've done extensive research on the Internet and in independent
sources over the past 25 years regarding automotive collisions that
cause bodily harm) that indicates that the occupants of the " 1969
Ford/Mercury Lincoln would be critically injured or a fatality due to
the fact that the grossly inadequate lap belts were even used !
Back then an automobile was built for aesthetics, not safety.
Today's vehicles are designed with safety first. And that's a fact!
That's why airbags were implemented, for all you folks below the 49th
parallel who do not "think" a seatbelt is necessary and "I won't get
into an accident because I'm a better driver than the rest"

So, now, at the end of the day... What is wrong with a Jeep Liberty
for a young lady who just aced her drivers licence exam and is more
than likely going to use it as a daily driver?

Cheers

Ryan



On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:21:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> But suppose you run into her driving '69 Lincoln, head on one of your
>high speed turns?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

We are talking about a "Daily driver" here.
There still is nothing wrong with a Jeep Liberty for that purpose.

And suppose that you Mr. ------ The Third, were driving "that" '69
Lincoln (with suicide doors of course), and were unfortunately
involved in that " head on" accident with a Jeep Liberty? Chances are
(I've done extensive research on the Internet and in independent
sources over the past 25 years regarding automotive collisions that
cause bodily harm) that indicates that the occupants of the " 1969
Ford/Mercury Lincoln would be critically injured or a fatality due to
the fact that the grossly inadequate lap belts were even used !
Back then an automobile was built for aesthetics, not safety.
Today's vehicles are designed with safety first. And that's a fact!
That's why airbags were implemented, for all you folks below the 49th
parallel who do not "think" a seatbelt is necessary and "I won't get
into an accident because I'm a better driver than the rest"

So, now, at the end of the day... What is wrong with a Jeep Liberty
for a young lady who just aced her drivers licence exam and is more
than likely going to use it as a daily driver?

Cheers

Ryan



On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:21:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> But suppose you run into her driving '69 Lincoln, head on one of your
>high speed turns?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>

Re: preparing for new driver - liberty?
 

We are talking about a "Daily driver" here.
There still is nothing wrong with a Jeep Liberty for that purpose.

And suppose that you Mr. ------ The Third, were driving "that" '69
Lincoln (with suicide doors of course), and were unfortunately
involved in that " head on" accident with a Jeep Liberty? Chances are
(I've done extensive research on the Internet and in independent
sources over the past 25 years regarding automotive collisions that
cause bodily harm) that indicates that the occupants of the " 1969
Ford/Mercury Lincoln would be critically injured or a fatality due to
the fact that the grossly inadequate lap belts were even used !
Back then an automobile was built for aesthetics, not safety.
Today's vehicles are designed with safety first. And that's a fact!
That's why airbags were implemented, for all you folks below the 49th
parallel who do not "think" a seatbelt is necessary and "I won't get
into an accident because I'm a better driver than the rest"

So, now, at the end of the day... What is wrong with a Jeep Liberty
for a young lady who just aced her drivers licence exam and is more
than likely going to use it as a daily driver?

Cheers

Ryan



On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:21:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> wrote:

> But suppose you run into her driving '69 Lincoln, head on one of your
>high speed turns?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>