pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
08-26-2003, 01:09 PM
#31
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Indeed. After I installed an MPB master & dual diaphragm kit on my YJ I had
to re-form all of the lines to get them to match up to the new prop valve.
Even using a tubing bender to keep them from kinking left them looking,
well, suspicious. I replaced the front to rear line, which was the worst
looking, but to get it in place properly I ended up having to thread it in
through the LR wheelhouse with the wheel & tire removed. Making one probably
wouldn't have been any easier.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com...
> > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
> > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case
of
> > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded
> without
> > damage.
> >
>
> This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some
> reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the
> original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so
his
> body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes
ourselves
> and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to
get
> them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them
ourselves,
> we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent
> pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or
two
> pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we
> don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary
> experience to use them right the first time out.
>
> Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance
to
> get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to
> just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them
> yourself can save money.
>
>
to re-form all of the lines to get them to match up to the new prop valve.
Even using a tubing bender to keep them from kinking left them looking,
well, suspicious. I replaced the front to rear line, which was the worst
looking, but to get it in place properly I ended up having to thread it in
through the LR wheelhouse with the wheel & tire removed. Making one probably
wouldn't have been any easier.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkn4he9vge507c@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com...
> > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
> > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case
of
> > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded
> without
> > damage.
> >
>
> This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some
> reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the
> original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so
his
> body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes
ourselves
> and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to
get
> them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them
ourselves,
> we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent
> pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or
two
> pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we
> don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary
> experience to use them right the first time out.
>
> Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance
to
> get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to
> just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them
> yourself can save money.
>
>
08-26-2003, 01:12 PM
#32
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
more, crawl under, test, etc.
And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
THanks
Tony
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are replacing
>a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and
>stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
>be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
>own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is
>easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
>place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
>making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
>tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
>buying pre bent pipes.
>
>If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it
>and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
>compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
>yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most
>of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
>attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
>cut it to fit.)
>
line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
more, crawl under, test, etc.
And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
THanks
Tony
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are replacing
>a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and
>stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
>be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
>own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is
>easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
>place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
>making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
>tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
>buying pre bent pipes.
>
>If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it
>and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
>compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
>yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most
>of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
>attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
>cut it to fit.)
>
08-26-2003, 01:12 PM
#33
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
more, crawl under, test, etc.
And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
THanks
Tony
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are replacing
>a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and
>stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
>be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
>own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is
>easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
>place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
>making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
>tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
>buying pre bent pipes.
>
>If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it
>and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
>compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
>yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most
>of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
>attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
>cut it to fit.)
>
line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
more, crawl under, test, etc.
And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
THanks
Tony
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are replacing
>a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and
>stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
>be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
>own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is
>easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
>place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
>making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
>tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
>buying pre bent pipes.
>
>If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it
>and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
>compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
>yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most
>of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
>attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
>cut it to fit.)
>
08-26-2003, 01:16 PM
#34
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, yes, with the body on it is a definite PITA! The pre-bent line I used
was from the factory.
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7u4nkv089gr12l408e3c6962pueieqj9s1@4ax.com...
> Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
> line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
>
> I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
> that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
> trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
> unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
> more, crawl under, test, etc.
>
> And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
> all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
> goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
> going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
>
> THanks
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you
might
> >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> >buying pre bent pipes.
> >
> >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> >cut it to fit.)
> >
>
was from the factory.
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7u4nkv089gr12l408e3c6962pueieqj9s1@4ax.com...
> Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
> line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
>
> I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
> that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
> trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
> unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
> more, crawl under, test, etc.
>
> And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
> all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
> goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
> going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
>
> THanks
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you
might
> >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> >buying pre bent pipes.
> >
> >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> >cut it to fit.)
> >
>
08-26-2003, 01:16 PM
#35
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Well, yes, with the body on it is a definite PITA! The pre-bent line I used
was from the factory.
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7u4nkv089gr12l408e3c6962pueieqj9s1@4ax.com...
> Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
> line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
>
> I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
> that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
> trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
> unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
> more, crawl under, test, etc.
>
> And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
> all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
> goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
> going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
>
> THanks
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you
might
> >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> >buying pre bent pipes.
> >
> >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> >cut it to fit.)
> >
>
was from the factory.
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7u4nkv089gr12l408e3c6962pueieqj9s1@4ax.com...
> Well, actually it is a CJ/YJ issue. I have never run across a brake
> line that was pre-bent for a YJ. Only CJ's have I run across.
>
> I can bend them, I have a bender and a double-flare kit. It's really
> that I'm a lazy ***** and I don't really want to spend alot of time
> trying to get the bends right. I'd rather just crawl under and
> unbolt/replace than crawl out, bend, crawl under, test, crawl out bend
> more, crawl under, test, etc.
>
> And, think of it this way. Pre-bend lines= me bending lines when it's
> all done so in essence, it makes no difference as far as installation
> goes. So as far as ease of installation is concerned, I think it's
> going to be a pain in the *** when the body is on regardless.
>
> THanks
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:30 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> >a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> >stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you
might
> >be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> >own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> >easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> >place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> >making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> >tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> >buying pre bent pipes.
> >
> >If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> >and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> >compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> >yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> >of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> >attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> >cut it to fit.)
> >
>
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