pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
08-25-2003, 07:03 PM
#21
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
They are 3/16" in my TJ, likely in your YJ too.
Jerry
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"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> lines with pre-bent if possible.
>
> Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> could be wrong.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22 Aug 2003 08:39:12 -0700, sfon@yahoo.com (serg) wrote:
>
> >thanks for the tip mike!
> >
> >peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they
> >also have the ss lines for sale.
> >http://www.inlinetube.com/
> >
> >quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i
> >just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find
> >out before i buy.
> >
> >
> >
> > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message
news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>...
> >> Well I wasn't talking about "****" brake lines and I was waiting
> >> for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off"
> >> with your response. :)
> >>
> >>
> >> In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>,
> >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less,
get
> >> >it?
> >> >
> >> >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the
> >> >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays
> >> >'stain less'.
> >> >
> >> >Some are a total rip off for the cost.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >> >Peter Parker wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >,
> >> >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both
> >> >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do
most
> >> >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along
the
> >> >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I
would
> >> >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually
want to
> >> >> replace my brake lines with SS.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> >> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply
via e-mail
>
Jerry
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"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com...
> What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> lines with pre-bent if possible.
>
> Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> could be wrong.
>
> Thanks
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>
>
> On 22 Aug 2003 08:39:12 -0700, sfon@yahoo.com (serg) wrote:
>
> >thanks for the tip mike!
> >
> >peter-this is the place i found the "non-ss" pre-bent lines. they
> >also have the ss lines for sale.
> >http://www.inlinetube.com/
> >
> >quadratec.com also has ss lines for sale for about the same price. i
> >just don't know what grade of ss they use. i'm going to need to find
> >out before i buy.
> >
> >
> >
> > nospam@zero.com (Peter Parker) wrote in message
news:<3f45f635_1@nntp2.nac.net>...
> >> Well I wasn't talking about "****" brake lines and I was waiting
> >> for a good place to purchase which you omitted. I feel "ripped off"
> >> with your response. :)
> >>
> >>
> >> In article <3F457553.B8E85A77@sympatico.ca>,
> >> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> >Don't forget the name of the lines, 'stainless' steel. Stain less,
get
> >> >it?
> >> >
> >> >They still rot out and rust, it just takes longer and the grade of the
> >> >'stainless' makes a radical difference in the length of time it stays
> >> >'stain less'.
> >> >
> >> >Some are a total rip off for the cost.
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >
> >> >Peter Parker wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In article <934d0785.0308211344.75fa1d95@posting.google.com >,
> >> >> serg <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> >are ss brake lines worth the $$? i've found a place that sells both
> >> >> >and the ss lines are $25 more. not a big deal i guess but-why do
most
> >> >> >ppl only sell ss lines? i'm taking about the lines that go along
the
> >> >> >frame rails to the back of the jeep, not the short braided ones.
> >> >>
> >> >> Brake lines eventually rust out. SS brake lines will not rust. I
would
> >> >> be interested who you are dealing with because I will eventually
want to
> >> >> replace my brake lines with SS.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> <html><form><input type crash></form></html>
> >> >> nospam@zero.com Replace nospam with jetta to reply
via e-mail
>
08-25-2003, 07:34 PM
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com...
> What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> lines with pre-bent if possible.
>
> Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> could be wrong.
>
It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are replacing
a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and
stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is
easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
buying pre bent pipes.
If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it
and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most
of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
cut it to fit.)
08-25-2003, 07:34 PM
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com...
> What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> lines with pre-bent if possible.
>
> Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> could be wrong.
>
It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are replacing
a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one and
stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it is
easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
buying pre bent pipes.
If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch it
and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end. (Most
of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
cut it to fit.)
08-25-2003, 08:06 PM
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of
the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without
damage.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkl7bnballomfa@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com...
> > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> > lines with pre-bent if possible.
> >
> > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> > could be wrong.
> >
> It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
> be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> buying pre bent pipes.
>
> If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> cut it to fit.)
>
>
installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of
the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without
damage.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkl7bnballomfa@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com...
> > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> > lines with pre-bent if possible.
> >
> > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> > could be wrong.
> >
> It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
> be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> buying pre bent pipes.
>
> If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> cut it to fit.)
>
>
08-25-2003, 08:06 PM
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of
the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without
damage.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkl7bnballomfa@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com...
> > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> > lines with pre-bent if possible.
> >
> > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> > could be wrong.
> >
> It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
> be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> buying pre bent pipes.
>
> If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> cut it to fit.)
>
>
installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of
the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded without
damage.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkl7bnballomfa@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Tony" <fat_augie@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7hlkkvs2bufbej1pa9it960u5c8mt02467@4ax.com...
> > What I'd like to know is, why does everyone offer pre-bent lines for
> > CJ's but not YJ's? I have a '93 YJ and would like to replace the
> > lines with pre-bent if possible.
> >
> > Also, in case I have to actually bend my own, does anyone know offhand
> > what size tube I need? The lines I have now are pretty rusty, so I
> > don't really trust my measurements. I'm thinking they are 3/16, but I
> > could be wrong.
> >
> It isn't a CJ/YJ issue, it is a pain-in-the-*** issue. If you are
replacing
> a single brake pipe, then it is much easier to simply get a pre bent one
and
> stick it in. but, if you are replacing several brake pipes, then you might
> be better off buying a flare tool and some tube benders, and forming your
> own brake pipes. The problem with making your own brake pipes is that it
is
> easier to screw them up than it is to buy the pre bent ones in the first
> place. The pre bent pipes tend to be rather pricey though, and if you are
> making several to rebuild a system, then you can afford to buy the flare
> tool and tube benders, and toast a couple, and still come in cheaper than
> buying pre bent pipes.
>
> If you decide to bend them yourself, and kink one, then you have to pitch
it
> and start over. You can not remove a kink from a brake pipe without
> compromising the integrity of the pipe. And, if you decide to make them
> yourself, don't forget to put the fitting on before you flare the end.
(Most
> of the bulk pipes that I have seen around here come with one end already
> attached, so you buy them longer than the length you think you need, then
> cut it to fit.)
>
>
08-26-2003, 12:58 PM
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
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> Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
> installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of
> the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded
without
> damage.
>
This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some
reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the
original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so his
body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes ourselves
and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to get
them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them ourselves,
we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent
pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or two
pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we
don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary
experience to use them right the first time out.
Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance to
get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to
just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them
yourself can save money.
08-26-2003, 12:58 PM
#27
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com...
> Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
> installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case of
> the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded
without
> damage.
>
This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some
reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the
original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so his
body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes ourselves
and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to get
them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them ourselves,
we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent
pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or two
pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we
don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary
experience to use them right the first time out.
Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance to
get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to
just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them
yourself can save money.
08-26-2003, 01:09 PM
#30
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Re: pre-bent stainless steel or pre-bent non-ss brake lines?
Indeed. After I installed an MPB master & dual diaphragm kit on my YJ I had
to re-form all of the lines to get them to match up to the new prop valve.
Even using a tubing bender to keep them from kinking left them looking,
well, suspicious. I replaced the front to rear line, which was the worst
looking, but to get it in place properly I ended up having to thread it in
through the LR wheelhouse with the wheel & tire removed. Making one probably
wouldn't have been any easier.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkn4he9vge507c@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com...
> > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
> > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case
of
> > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded
> without
> > damage.
> >
>
> This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some
> reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the
> original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so
his
> body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes
ourselves
> and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to
get
> them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them
ourselves,
> we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent
> pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or
two
> pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we
> don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary
> experience to use them right the first time out.
>
> Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance
to
> get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to
> just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them
> yourself can save money.
>
>
to re-form all of the lines to get them to match up to the new prop valve.
Even using a tubing bender to keep them from kinking left them looking,
well, suspicious. I replaced the front to rear line, which was the worst
looking, but to get it in place properly I ended up having to thread it in
through the LR wheelhouse with the wheel & tire removed. Making one probably
wouldn't have been any easier.
"Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkn4he9vge507c@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vkl9b67dvm31c6@corp.supernews.com...
> > Another issue with pre-bent brake lines is that they are designed to be
> > installed on the chassis BEFORE The body is on, which means in the case
of
> > the front to rear line, it can be really tough to get them threaded
> without
> > damage.
> >
>
> This is true, but even if you and I are replacing the brake pipes for some
> reason, we are doing it with the body on in most cases. (I think the
> original poster on this thread is actually doing a frame-up rebuild, so
his
> body is removed.) So, it doesn't matter much if we bend the pipes
ourselves
> and struggle to get them in place, or buy them pre bent and struggle to
get
> them into place. The primary difference is that when we make them
ourselves,
> we can damage them while bending and while installing, withe the pre bent
> pipes, we can only damage them while installing. If there is only one or
two
> pipes involved, the pre bent are probably the better value only because we
> don't have to own the bending tools and flare tool, and the necessary
> experience to use them right the first time out.
>
> Remember, my only point in bending brake pipes is that you get one chance
to
> get it right, and if you only need to bend one, it is probably cheaper to
> just get one that is already bent, if you need several, then bending them
> yourself can save money.
>
>