Possible to Repair Synchros?
01-20-2006, 07:41 PM
#51
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
Double clutching is good, much better than tearing transmissions apart in
the garage or basement. That chain slipping would have me worried though.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
>
> jack
>
the garage or basement. That chain slipping would have me worried though.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137803678.597832.36040@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
>
> jack
>
01-20-2006, 07:41 PM
#52
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
Double clutching is good, much better than tearing transmissions apart in
the garage or basement. That chain slipping would have me worried though.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137803678.597832.36040@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
>
> jack
>
the garage or basement. That chain slipping would have me worried though.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137803678.597832.36040@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
>
> jack
>
01-20-2006, 08:34 PM
#53
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:34:38 UTC "jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
If that chain in the tc is slipping, you gotum big problem! That's a
sprocket driven chain and if it's loose enough to jump a tooth or 3
then it is also loose enough to be eating the case away. You sure
it's not just jumping out of 4WD? That's a simple fix - adjust the
shift rod. One 13mm bolt in the trunion that locks the shift rod in
place. If the chain is actually stretched far enough to jump, then a
rebuild on the tc is pretty simple as well. If you can swap an engine
you can do that part.
--
Will Honea
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
If that chain in the tc is slipping, you gotum big problem! That's a
sprocket driven chain and if it's loose enough to jump a tooth or 3
then it is also loose enough to be eating the case away. You sure
it's not just jumping out of 4WD? That's a simple fix - adjust the
shift rod. One 13mm bolt in the trunion that locks the shift rod in
place. If the chain is actually stretched far enough to jump, then a
rebuild on the tc is pretty simple as well. If you can swap an engine
you can do that part.
--
Will Honea
01-20-2006, 08:34 PM
#54
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:34:38 UTC "jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
If that chain in the tc is slipping, you gotum big problem! That's a
sprocket driven chain and if it's loose enough to jump a tooth or 3
then it is also loose enough to be eating the case away. You sure
it's not just jumping out of 4WD? That's a simple fix - adjust the
shift rod. One 13mm bolt in the trunion that locks the shift rod in
place. If the chain is actually stretched far enough to jump, then a
rebuild on the tc is pretty simple as well. If you can swap an engine
you can do that part.
--
Will Honea
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
If that chain in the tc is slipping, you gotum big problem! That's a
sprocket driven chain and if it's loose enough to jump a tooth or 3
then it is also loose enough to be eating the case away. You sure
it's not just jumping out of 4WD? That's a simple fix - adjust the
shift rod. One 13mm bolt in the trunion that locks the shift rod in
place. If the chain is actually stretched far enough to jump, then a
rebuild on the tc is pretty simple as well. If you can swap an engine
you can do that part.
--
Will Honea
01-20-2006, 08:34 PM
#55
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:34:38 UTC "jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote:
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
If that chain in the tc is slipping, you gotum big problem! That's a
sprocket driven chain and if it's loose enough to jump a tooth or 3
then it is also loose enough to be eating the case away. You sure
it's not just jumping out of 4WD? That's a simple fix - adjust the
shift rod. One 13mm bolt in the trunion that locks the shift rod in
place. If the chain is actually stretched far enough to jump, then a
rebuild on the tc is pretty simple as well. If you can swap an engine
you can do that part.
--
Will Honea
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
If that chain in the tc is slipping, you gotum big problem! That's a
sprocket driven chain and if it's loose enough to jump a tooth or 3
then it is also loose enough to be eating the case away. You sure
it's not just jumping out of 4WD? That's a simple fix - adjust the
shift rod. One 13mm bolt in the trunion that locks the shift rod in
place. If the chain is actually stretched far enough to jump, then a
rebuild on the tc is pretty simple as well. If you can swap an engine
you can do that part.
--
Will Honea
01-20-2006, 09:41 PM
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
Thanks Will & Earle. I have a Haynes manual, (which I get for every
vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
jack
vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
jack
01-20-2006, 09:41 PM
#57
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
Thanks Will & Earle. I have a Haynes manual, (which I get for every
vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
jack
vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
jack
01-20-2006, 09:41 PM
#58
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
Thanks Will & Earle. I have a Haynes manual, (which I get for every
vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
jack
vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
jack
01-21-2006, 04:00 AM
#59
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
If you got the Jeep service manual, you would be surprised at how much more
information it has than the Haynes. I am not sure that it is worth $100 to
everybody though. You would probably want it for transfer case and/or
transmission disassembly. Reading the manual, is what helped me decide,
that double clutching is not so bad for now. You should be able to put the
vehicle in 4hi, crawl underneath, and judge for yourself how much chain slop
there is.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137811298.292507.115360@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks Will & Earle. I have a Haynes manual, (which I get for every
> vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
> manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
> to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
> take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
> fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
> looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
> hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
> guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
>
> jack
>
information it has than the Haynes. I am not sure that it is worth $100 to
everybody though. You would probably want it for transfer case and/or
transmission disassembly. Reading the manual, is what helped me decide,
that double clutching is not so bad for now. You should be able to put the
vehicle in 4hi, crawl underneath, and judge for yourself how much chain slop
there is.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137811298.292507.115360@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks Will & Earle. I have a Haynes manual, (which I get for every
> vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
> manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
> to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
> take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
> fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
> looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
> hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
> guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
>
> jack
>
01-21-2006, 04:00 AM
#60
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Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
If you got the Jeep service manual, you would be surprised at how much more
information it has than the Haynes. I am not sure that it is worth $100 to
everybody though. You would probably want it for transfer case and/or
transmission disassembly. Reading the manual, is what helped me decide,
that double clutching is not so bad for now. You should be able to put the
vehicle in 4hi, crawl underneath, and judge for yourself how much chain slop
there is.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137811298.292507.115360@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks Will & Earle. I have a Haynes manual, (which I get for every
> vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
> manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
> to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
> take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
> fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
> looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
> hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
> guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
>
> jack
>
information it has than the Haynes. I am not sure that it is worth $100 to
everybody though. You would probably want it for transfer case and/or
transmission disassembly. Reading the manual, is what helped me decide,
that double clutching is not so bad for now. You should be able to put the
vehicle in 4hi, crawl underneath, and judge for yourself how much chain slop
there is.
Earle
"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137811298.292507.115360@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> Thanks Will & Earle. I have a Haynes manual, (which I get for every
> vehicle I have.) Helps alot on my 97 Dakota. My brother was a service
> manager at a jeep garage a few years ago, and said you used to be able
> to take the transfer case apart on the older jeeps. I will probably
> take it out, along with the tranny early this spring, and fix both, or
> fix the chain, and find a used tranny? God, why haven't I thought of
> looking up sites like this before?..lol. I have learned more here in a
> hour than 2 months checking the Haynes, and wondering. Thanks again
> guys! I will probably bury all of you with questions...
>
> jack
>