Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

Replacing synchro's is not a newbie project. There are a fair number of
shimmed shafts and enough other nasty parts to make reassembly a bit
problematic. Plus you can figure about 6 hours to remove and replace the
tranny in the vehicle

I'd expect he $50 kit to include gaskets and the synchros but not much
else. Especially no bearings. You really should find out what is in it
before ordering.

I would not tackle this without the factory manual. Or at least make
sure you have BOTH the Hayes AND the Chilton manuals for cross reference.

macgraphics wrote:

> Thanks Will - I picked up a Haynes Manual today, looks like I have some
> heavy reading to do. I also picked up 4 quarts of Redline MT 90 and I
> plan on changing the fluid sometime this week. Hopefully I meet with
> the same results you did. If not I found a Transmission Repair Kit at
> Advanced Auto Parts for under $50 (it is on sale, typically @ $90). Do
> these types of kits usually contain synchros? Does this seem like too
> low of a price? Do you think it is worth a shot before a tranny
> replacement or rebuild? Thanks again for all your advice - Mark
>

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

Replacing synchro's is not a newbie project. There are a fair number of
shimmed shafts and enough other nasty parts to make reassembly a bit
problematic. Plus you can figure about 6 hours to remove and replace the
tranny in the vehicle

I'd expect he $50 kit to include gaskets and the synchros but not much
else. Especially no bearings. You really should find out what is in it
before ordering.

I would not tackle this without the factory manual. Or at least make
sure you have BOTH the Hayes AND the Chilton manuals for cross reference.

macgraphics wrote:

> Thanks Will - I picked up a Haynes Manual today, looks like I have some
> heavy reading to do. I also picked up 4 quarts of Redline MT 90 and I
> plan on changing the fluid sometime this week. Hopefully I meet with
> the same results you did. If not I found a Transmission Repair Kit at
> Advanced Auto Parts for under $50 (it is on sale, typically @ $90). Do
> these types of kits usually contain synchros? Does this seem like too
> low of a price? Do you think it is worth a shot before a tranny
> replacement or rebuild? Thanks again for all your advice - Mark
>

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

Replacing synchro's is not a newbie project. There are a fair number of
shimmed shafts and enough other nasty parts to make reassembly a bit
problematic. Plus you can figure about 6 hours to remove and replace the
tranny in the vehicle

I'd expect he $50 kit to include gaskets and the synchros but not much
else. Especially no bearings. You really should find out what is in it
before ordering.

I would not tackle this without the factory manual. Or at least make
sure you have BOTH the Hayes AND the Chilton manuals for cross reference.

macgraphics wrote:

> Thanks Will - I picked up a Haynes Manual today, looks like I have some
> heavy reading to do. I also picked up 4 quarts of Redline MT 90 and I
> plan on changing the fluid sometime this week. Hopefully I meet with
> the same results you did. If not I found a Transmission Repair Kit at
> Advanced Auto Parts for under $50 (it is on sale, typically @ $90). Do
> these types of kits usually contain synchros? Does this seem like too
> low of a price? Do you think it is worth a shot before a tranny
> replacement or rebuild? Thanks again for all your advice - Mark
>

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

I'm with Roy here. It's not that difficult to replace the syncros but
there are some tricky setup pieces in there. You will need a GOOD
pair of snap ring pliers - none of the Harbor Freight cheapies - and a
really good diagram. There are a few place in the AX-15 where you
have to know the correct sequence of what to pul next to get it all
apart and it is essential to keep track of the number, size, and
sequence of the various spacers. Several places are almost a press
fit - tight - so I wouldn't advise trying it w/o a good shop manual.
I bought the AX-15 manual separate from the rest of the Factory
Service Manual when I swapped out my old Pugeot 5-spd and I think it
was only $15 - $20 from Chrysler. One thing no one mentioned: you
will want a CLEAN, sturdy workbench and a good sized vise - at least 6
inches, maybe 8.

Not a newbie project, considering the quotes I've had from some
locally owned transmission shops. Thye chains are a ripoff but a
local tranny or machine shop might give you a very tempting price,
especially if you carry the tranny in.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:43:26 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

> Replacing synchro's is not a newbie project. There are a fair number of
> shimmed shafts and enough other nasty parts to make reassembly a bit
> problematic. Plus you can figure about 6 hours to remove and replace the
> tranny in the vehicle
>
> I'd expect he $50 kit to include gaskets and the synchros but not much
> else. Especially no bearings. You really should find out what is in it
> before ordering.
>
> I would not tackle this without the factory manual. Or at least make
> sure you have BOTH the Hayes AND the Chilton manuals for cross reference.
>
> macgraphics wrote:
>
> > Thanks Will - I picked up a Haynes Manual today, looks like I have some
> > heavy reading to do. I also picked up 4 quarts of Redline MT 90 and I
> > plan on changing the fluid sometime this week. Hopefully I meet with
> > the same results you did. If not I found a Transmission Repair Kit at
> > Advanced Auto Parts for under $50 (it is on sale, typically @ $90). Do
> > these types of kits usually contain synchros? Does this seem like too
> > low of a price? Do you think it is worth a shot before a tranny
> > replacement or rebuild? Thanks again for all your advice - Mark
> >


--
Will Honea

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

I'm with Roy here. It's not that difficult to replace the syncros but
there are some tricky setup pieces in there. You will need a GOOD
pair of snap ring pliers - none of the Harbor Freight cheapies - and a
really good diagram. There are a few place in the AX-15 where you
have to know the correct sequence of what to pul next to get it all
apart and it is essential to keep track of the number, size, and
sequence of the various spacers. Several places are almost a press
fit - tight - so I wouldn't advise trying it w/o a good shop manual.
I bought the AX-15 manual separate from the rest of the Factory
Service Manual when I swapped out my old Pugeot 5-spd and I think it
was only $15 - $20 from Chrysler. One thing no one mentioned: you
will want a CLEAN, sturdy workbench and a good sized vise - at least 6
inches, maybe 8.

Not a newbie project, considering the quotes I've had from some
locally owned transmission shops. Thye chains are a ripoff but a
local tranny or machine shop might give you a very tempting price,
especially if you carry the tranny in.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:43:26 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

> Replacing synchro's is not a newbie project. There are a fair number of
> shimmed shafts and enough other nasty parts to make reassembly a bit
> problematic. Plus you can figure about 6 hours to remove and replace the
> tranny in the vehicle
>
> I'd expect he $50 kit to include gaskets and the synchros but not much
> else. Especially no bearings. You really should find out what is in it
> before ordering.
>
> I would not tackle this without the factory manual. Or at least make
> sure you have BOTH the Hayes AND the Chilton manuals for cross reference.
>
> macgraphics wrote:
>
> > Thanks Will - I picked up a Haynes Manual today, looks like I have some
> > heavy reading to do. I also picked up 4 quarts of Redline MT 90 and I
> > plan on changing the fluid sometime this week. Hopefully I meet with
> > the same results you did. If not I found a Transmission Repair Kit at
> > Advanced Auto Parts for under $50 (it is on sale, typically @ $90). Do
> > these types of kits usually contain synchros? Does this seem like too
> > low of a price? Do you think it is worth a shot before a tranny
> > replacement or rebuild? Thanks again for all your advice - Mark
> >


--
Will Honea

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

I'm with Roy here. It's not that difficult to replace the syncros but
there are some tricky setup pieces in there. You will need a GOOD
pair of snap ring pliers - none of the Harbor Freight cheapies - and a
really good diagram. There are a few place in the AX-15 where you
have to know the correct sequence of what to pul next to get it all
apart and it is essential to keep track of the number, size, and
sequence of the various spacers. Several places are almost a press
fit - tight - so I wouldn't advise trying it w/o a good shop manual.
I bought the AX-15 manual separate from the rest of the Factory
Service Manual when I swapped out my old Pugeot 5-spd and I think it
was only $15 - $20 from Chrysler. One thing no one mentioned: you
will want a CLEAN, sturdy workbench and a good sized vise - at least 6
inches, maybe 8.

Not a newbie project, considering the quotes I've had from some
locally owned transmission shops. Thye chains are a ripoff but a
local tranny or machine shop might give you a very tempting price,
especially if you carry the tranny in.

On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:43:26 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:

> Replacing synchro's is not a newbie project. There are a fair number of
> shimmed shafts and enough other nasty parts to make reassembly a bit
> problematic. Plus you can figure about 6 hours to remove and replace the
> tranny in the vehicle
>
> I'd expect he $50 kit to include gaskets and the synchros but not much
> else. Especially no bearings. You really should find out what is in it
> before ordering.
>
> I would not tackle this without the factory manual. Or at least make
> sure you have BOTH the Hayes AND the Chilton manuals for cross reference.
>
> macgraphics wrote:
>
> > Thanks Will - I picked up a Haynes Manual today, looks like I have some
> > heavy reading to do. I also picked up 4 quarts of Redline MT 90 and I
> > plan on changing the fluid sometime this week. Hopefully I meet with
> > the same results you did. If not I found a Transmission Repair Kit at
> > Advanced Auto Parts for under $50 (it is on sale, typically @ $90). Do
> > these types of kits usually contain synchros? Does this seem like too
> > low of a price? Do you think it is worth a shot before a tranny
> > replacement or rebuild? Thanks again for all your advice - Mark
> >


--
Will Honea

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!

jack

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!

jack

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!

jack

Re: Possible to Repair Synchros?
 

Double clutching is good, much better than tearing transmissions apart in
the garage or basement. That chain slipping would have me worried though.

Earle

"jack" <jackgray@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:1137803678.597832.36040@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi guys. I just found this site, and topic. What a help! I have a 91
> Wrangler 4 cyl, my youngest son bought when it was 3 years old. I just
> bought it from him last summer. (170,000 miles) Dear old dad has done
> most of the work on it during the years. Replaced the motor a few
> years ago with a re-built....About 20,000 Miles on motor.
> About 2 years ago the syncro's started making a noise when shifting
> up, only between 2nd & 3rd. Now about in every gear. Glad to hear
> about the Redline MT90. I will try that before removing the tranny, or
> replacing. My chain in the transfer case also slips. On icy roads, in
> 4H, really slips. When going to hunting camp through muddy roads in
> 4L, only slips occasionally. Other than that the old girl ain't to
> bad. Good for riding the gravel backroads here in eastern Maine!!
>
> jack
>