pilot bearing question
07-14-2003, 02:06 PM
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Re: pilot bearing question
Hi Mike,
Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> now that I think about it.
>
> If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
>
> Mike
Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> now that I think about it.
>
> If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
>
> Mike
07-14-2003, 02:51 PM
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Re: pilot bearing question
I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
> the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
> works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
> GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> > now that I think about it.
> >
> > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> >
> > Mike
and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
> the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
> works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
> GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> > now that I think about it.
> >
> > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> >
> > Mike
07-14-2003, 03:55 PM
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Re: pilot bearing question
Hmmmmm....
Billy
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F12FBA8.F2FCCCAC@sympatico.ca...
> I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
>
> The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
>
> CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
>
> I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
> > the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> > crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
> > works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
> > GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> > > now that I think about it.
> > >
> > > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> > >
> > > Mike
Billy
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F12FBA8.F2FCCCAC@sympatico.ca...
> I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
>
> The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
>
> CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
>
> I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
> > the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> > crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
> > works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
> > GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> > > now that I think about it.
> > >
> > > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> > >
> > > Mike
07-14-2003, 04:45 PM
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Re: pilot bearing question
Advance Adapters has to have something.
Earle
"Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxxrr.com> wrote in message
news:CUDQa.276000$jp.7648632@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmmmm....
>
>
> Billy
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F12FBA8.F2FCCCAC@sympatico.ca...
> > I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> > and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
> >
> > The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> > could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
> >
> > CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
> >
> > I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> > plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> > hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to
fit
> > > the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> > > crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way
it
> > > works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for
the
> > > GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or
not
> > > > now that I think about it.
> > > >
> > > > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
>
>
Earle
"Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxxrr.com> wrote in message
news:CUDQa.276000$jp.7648632@twister.southeast.rr. com...
> Hmmmmm....
>
>
> Billy
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F12FBA8.F2FCCCAC@sympatico.ca...
> > I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> > and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
> >
> > The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> > could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
> >
> > CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
> >
> > I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> > plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> > hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mike,
> > > Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to
fit
> > > the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> > > crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way
it
> > > works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for
the
> > > GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or
not
> > > > now that I think about it.
> > > >
> > > > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
>
>
07-14-2003, 05:42 PM
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Re: pilot bearing question
Hi Mike,
Like you say the two cranks are mentioned at:
http://www.offcambercrawlers.org/occ...anny%20Fix.htm
An '87 had an inside diameter close to 1" and the '96 had 1.75".
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
>
> The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
>
> CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
>
> I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
>
> Mike
Like you say the two cranks are mentioned at:
http://www.offcambercrawlers.org/occ...anny%20Fix.htm
An '87 had an inside diameter close to 1" and the '96 had 1.75".
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
>
> The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
>
> CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
>
> I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
>
> Mike
07-15-2003, 02:33 AM
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Re: pilot bearing question
On the 4.0, at least the early ones like my '88, they made the crank
with a stepped socket for the pilot so that it can take either a
bearing with a larger outside diameter or a bushing that is smaller.
I had my choice of either when I finally tracked down a source but
wound up using the bronze bushing since it was the only one that fit
the Peugot pilot shaft. The rebuilder tried to save me some work when
I swapped in an AX15 and sent it with the smaller pilot shaft to match
the BA 10/5 - learned more than I wanted to about pilot bearings
trying to match the shaft size. FYI, all the matches were in a set of
GM bushings I found in one parts store - even the dealer couldn't find
the right one (which was the stock 4.0 -> Puegot bushing).
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:06:43 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
> the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
> works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
> GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> > now that I think about it.
> >
> > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> >
> > Mike
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
with a stepped socket for the pilot so that it can take either a
bearing with a larger outside diameter or a bushing that is smaller.
I had my choice of either when I finally tracked down a source but
wound up using the bronze bushing since it was the only one that fit
the Peugot pilot shaft. The rebuilder tried to save me some work when
I swapped in an AX15 and sent it with the smaller pilot shaft to match
the BA 10/5 - learned more than I wanted to about pilot bearings
trying to match the shaft size. FYI, all the matches were in a set of
GM bushings I found in one parts store - even the dealer couldn't find
the right one (which was the stock 4.0 -> Puegot bushing).
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 18:06:43 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Question. They make many pilot bearings for the Rambler six, to fit
> the Borg Warner, Peugeot, and that Japanese crap, but the hole in the
> crank remains the same through the years, doesn't it? That's the way it
> works with Ford and Chevy engines. I know their isn't a bearing for the
> GM Muncie, the bearing, it must be shaved a little by hand sanding.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> > now that I think about it.
> >
> > If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
> >
> > Mike
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
07-15-2003, 11:04 AM
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Re: pilot bearing question
There is a difference between a 87 and up and the 86 and lower years on
the 258 engine.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Like you say the two cranks are mentioned at:
> http://www.offcambercrawlers.org/occ...anny%20Fix.htm
> An '87 had an inside diameter close to 1" and the '96 had 1.75".
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> > and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
> >
> > The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> > could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
> >
> > CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
> >
> > I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> > plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> > hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
> >
> > Mike
the 258 engine.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> Like you say the two cranks are mentioned at:
> http://www.offcambercrawlers.org/occ...anny%20Fix.htm
> An '87 had an inside diameter close to 1" and the '96 had 1.75".
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have helped purchase two cranks for the 258's in the last couple years
> > and we had to have the number off the crank to get a replacement.
> >
> > The cranks are not interchangeable and the only difference the shop
> > could see was the hole for either the bearing or bushing.
> >
> > CJ's use a bushing for the T-5, YJ's use a bearing.
> >
> > I lined up Jo's pressure plate when we rebuilt here bottom end and my
> > plastic alignment tool didn't fit into the bearing hole. I had to
> > hammer it in just to get a bit stuck in and eyeballed the rest.
> >
> > Mike
07-15-2003, 02:39 PM
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Re: pilot bearing question
Probably happen with change of ownership, Renault. It'd never
happen to a Ford or GM product, if you have a say '55 small block the
bushing or bearing are interchangeable with the new engines, other than
the ID change between input shafts from different transmission
manufacturers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> There is a difference between a 87 and up and the 86 and lower years on
> the 258 engine.
>
> Mike
happen to a Ford or GM product, if you have a say '55 small block the
bushing or bearing are interchangeable with the new engines, other than
the ID change between input shafts from different transmission
manufacturers.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> There is a difference between a 87 and up and the 86 and lower years on
> the 258 engine.
>
> Mike
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