pilot bearing question
 

My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when we were
installing everything back together it looks as though they used an 87 block
because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the bushing. Off
to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a sleeve
with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits extremely
tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank. Two
questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the other end,
and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be pretty
difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect. While I
was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the price
has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are going
to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone else
heard of this??

Thanks,

Jay

84 CJ7
33x12.5 MTR's

Re: pilot bearing question
 

Johnathan Marrin wrote:


<snippies>

> While I
> was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the price
> has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are going
> to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone else
> heard of this??

Dunno, but try buymopar.com they are a dealer but usually run about 1/2 of the usual
stealership prices.

Re: pilot bearing question
 

does the pilot bushing fit on the input shaft of the transmission?
AFAIK
yes they are a press in fit (needing installing with tool or carefully with
hammer).
Either a puller or you can sometimes hydraulic them out if you are removing
them for reuse.
later,
dave

"Johnathan Marrin" <johnathanmarrin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oonQa.48004$sI91.17024@news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when we
were
> installing everything back together it looks as though they used an 87
block
> because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the bushing. Off
> to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a sleeve
> with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits
extremely
> tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank. Two
> questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the other
end,
> and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be pretty
> difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect. While
I
> was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the
price
> has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are
going
> to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone
else
> heard of this??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay
>
> 84 CJ7
> 33x12.5 MTR's
>
>

Re: pilot bearing question
 

It is a press fit part.

The bearing has a seal on it, the seal goes towards the tranny so the
grease stays inside the end of the crank.

CAUTION!

Make sure the bearing fits on the tranny input shaft 'before' you get it
in.

There are two sizes of tranny shafts. One fits the bearing, the other
fits the bushing.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Johnathan Marrin wrote:
>
> My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when we were
> installing everything back together it looks as though they used an 87 block
> because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the bushing. Off
> to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a sleeve
> with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits extremely
> tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank. Two
> questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the other end,
> and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be pretty
> difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect. While I
> was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the price
> has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are going
> to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone else
> heard of this??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay
>
> 84 CJ7
> 33x12.5 MTR's

Re: pilot bearing question
 

The tool that is in contact with the bearing while you are smashing it in
should be made of wood, aluminum, brass, or something softer than steel...

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F12B99E.9866F740@sympatico.ca...
> It is a press fit part.
>
> The bearing has a seal on it, the seal goes towards the tranny so the
> grease stays inside the end of the crank.
>
> CAUTION!
>
> Make sure the bearing fits on the tranny input shaft 'before' you get it
> in.
>
> There are two sizes of tranny shafts. One fits the bearing, the other
> fits the bushing.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Johnathan Marrin wrote:
> >
> > My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when we
were
> > installing everything back together it looks as though they used an 87
block
> > because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the bushing.
Off
> > to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a
sleeve
> > with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits
extremely
> > tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank. Two
> > questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the other
end,
> > and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be pretty
> > difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect.
While I
> > was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the
price
> > has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are
going
> > to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone
else
> > heard of this??
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jay
> >
> > 84 CJ7
> > 33x12.5 MTR's

Re: pilot bearing question
 

I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
now that I think about it.

If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.

Mike


Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The tool that is in contact with the bearing while you are smashing it in
> should be made of wood, aluminum, brass, or something softer than steel...
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F12B99E.9866F740@sympatico.ca...
> > It is a press fit part.
> >
> > The bearing has a seal on it, the seal goes towards the tranny so the
> > grease stays inside the end of the crank.
> >
> > CAUTION!
> >
> > Make sure the bearing fits on the tranny input shaft 'before' you get it
> > in.
> >
> > There are two sizes of tranny shafts. One fits the bearing, the other
> > fits the bushing.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Johnathan Marrin wrote:
> > >
> > > My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when we
> were
> > > installing everything back together it looks as though they used an 87
> block
> > > because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the bushing.
> Off
> > > to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a
> sleeve
> > > with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits
> extremely
> > > tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank. Two
> > > questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the other
> end,
> > > and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be pretty
> > > difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect.
> While I
> > > was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the
> price
> > > has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are
> going
> > > to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone
> else
> > > heard of this??
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jay
> > >
> > > 84 CJ7
> > > 33x12.5 MTR's

Re: pilot bearing question
 

>I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the price
>has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are going
>to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone else
>heard of this??

The supplier of the intake manifold is no longer making the manifolds. The kit
will still be available, but with a different manifold and fuel rail.
Unfortunately, it will also be more expensive.

I got a call last week from a friend who works parts at Don A Vee Jeep in
Placentia CA. He had a Mopar fuel injection kit for an automatic that a
customer ordered but later cancelled. It had been on back order for quite some
time. He was willing to sell it an an extremely good price (about $100 over
his cost) because it was a special order and he didn't want to keep it in
inventory. If it fits what you need, call Justin Stinnett at (714) 528-5399
and tell him I referred you.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: pilot bearing question
 

If the issue is just the pilot bearing/bushing, can't one get a custom one
made? I'll bet AA has one too.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F12C26B.A9FEB1C3@sympatico.ca...
> I think the big issue is whether the engine has the right crank or not
> now that I think about it.
>
> If they put the wrong crank in, the tranny won't mate up to it.
>
> Mike
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > The tool that is in contact with the bearing while you are smashing it
in
> > should be made of wood, aluminum, brass, or something softer than
steel...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F12B99E.9866F740@sympatico.ca...
> > > It is a press fit part.
> > >
> > > The bearing has a seal on it, the seal goes towards the tranny so the
> > > grease stays inside the end of the crank.
> > >
> > > CAUTION!
> > >
> > > Make sure the bearing fits on the tranny input shaft 'before' you get
it
> > > in.
> > >
> > > There are two sizes of tranny shafts. One fits the bearing, the other
> > > fits the bushing.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Johnathan Marrin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when
we
> > were
> > > > installing everything back together it looks as though they used an
87
> > block
> > > > because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the
bushing.
> > Off
> > > > to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a
> > sleeve
> > > > with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits
> > extremely
> > > > tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank.
Two
> > > > questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the
other
> > end,
> > > > and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be
pretty
> > > > difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect.
> > While I
> > > > was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and
the
> > price
> > > > has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they
are
> > going
> > > > to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has
anyone
> > else
> > > > heard of this??
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jay
> > > >
> > > > 84 CJ7
> > > > 33x12.5 MTR's

Re: pilot bearing question
 

Yeah, I was talking about the material between the bmfh and the bearing.
You would not want to use a finger for that, although I suspect that many
have inadvertently done so. ;o)

Earle

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pYBQa.60507$H17.17680@sccrnsc02...
>
> And ideally, somewhat harder than a finger...thus establishing
> the other materials boundary.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > The tool that is in contact with the bearing while you are smashing it
in
> > should be made of wood, aluminum, brass, or something softer than
steel...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F12B99E.9866F740@sympatico.ca...
> >> It is a press fit part.
> >>
> >> The bearing has a seal on it, the seal goes towards the tranny so the
> >> grease stays inside the end of the crank.
> >>
> >> CAUTION!
> >>
> >> Make sure the bearing fits on the tranny input shaft 'before' you get
it
> >> in.
> >>
> >> There are two sizes of tranny shafts. One fits the bearing, the other
> >> fits the bushing.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >> Johnathan Marrin wrote:
> >> >
> >> > My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when
we
> > were
> >> > installing everything back together it looks as though they used an
87
> > block
> >> > because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the bushing.
> > Off
> >> > to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a
> > sleeve
> >> > with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits
> > extremely
> >> > tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank.
Two
> >> > questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the
other
> > end,
> >> > and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be pretty
> >> > difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect.
> > While I
> >> > was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the
> > price
> >> > has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are
> > going
> >> > to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has
anyone
> > else
> >> > heard of this??
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Jay
> >> >
> >> > 84 CJ7
> >> > 33x12.5 MTR's
> >
> >
>

Re: pilot bearing question
 

And ideally, somewhat harder than a finger...thus establishing
the other materials boundary.

Earle Horton wrote:

> The tool that is in contact with the bearing while you are smashing it in
> should be made of wood, aluminum, brass, or something softer than steel...
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F12B99E.9866F740@sympatico.ca...
>> It is a press fit part.
>>
>> The bearing has a seal on it, the seal goes towards the tranny so the
>> grease stays inside the end of the crank.
>>
>> CAUTION!
>>
>> Make sure the bearing fits on the tranny input shaft 'before' you get it
>> in.
>>
>> There are two sizes of tranny shafts. One fits the bearing, the other
>> fits the bushing.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Johnathan Marrin wrote:
>> >
>> > My friend purchased a refurbished long block for his 85 CJ7 and when we
> were
>> > installing everything back together it looks as though they used an 87
> block
>> > because it looks like it takes a pilot bearing istead of the bushing.
> Off
>> > to Chrysler I went and purchased the bearing (which comes inside a
> sleeve
>> > with a notch cut into it), and when we went to install it it fits
> extremely
>> > tight as though it needs to be pressed into the end of the crank. Two
>> > questions came up, Which end goes in first the notched end or the other
> end,
>> > and is it normal for it to fit this tight? I think it will be pretty
>> > difficult to remove if we hammer it in and find out its incorrect.
> While I
>> > was at the dealer I went to order the Mopar MPI kit for my CJ and the
> price
>> > has gone up almost $2000 in the past month!! They said that they are
> going
>> > to stop making it so the price has increased dramatically. Has anyone
> else
>> > heard of this??
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Jay
>> >
>> > 84 CJ7
>> > 33x12.5 MTR's
>
>