Patriot opinions
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Re: Patriot opinions
"Spdloader" <brysonctnospam@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
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> "Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>> news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation.ca lm...
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
>>>>>> package
>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>> manual
>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>
>>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
>>>> need any
>>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
>>>> This
>>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
>>>> subscribers
>>>> just ignore anything he says.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>
>>> Hey Earle,
>>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
>>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
>>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
>>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion a
>>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
>>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
>>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
>>> Just my opinion though.
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
>> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
>> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
>> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
>> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
>> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it isn't.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Earle
>
> No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had trouble
> finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> Later,
> Spdloader
>
>
I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
like that for years.
Later.
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> "Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> "Spdloader" <brysonctnospam@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>> news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation.ca lm...
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
>>>>>> package
>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>> manual
>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
>>>>>> love
>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>
>>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
>>>> need any
>>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
>>>> This
>>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
>>>> subscribers
>>>> just ignore anything he says.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>
>>> Hey Earle,
>>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
>>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
>>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
>>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion a
>>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
>>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
>>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
>>> Just my opinion though.
>>> Spdloader
>>>
>>>
>> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
>> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
>> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
>> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
>> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
>> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it isn't.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Earle
>
> No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had trouble
> finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> Later,
> Spdloader
>
>
I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
like that for years.
Later.
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Re: Patriot opinions
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>> manual
>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>
>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>
>>Hi, TD.....
>>
>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>owns,
>>
>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>
>>Eh, bien!
>>
>>Have a good one!
>>
>>
>>PF
>
> Hey PF..
>
> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>
> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
serious legal departments!
As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
But:
"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
disregards the rest."
-- Paul Simon
>
> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
> of protoplasm and grease!
When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
weeks.
A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>
> Take Care,
>
> TD
And you too!
PF
--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.
-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>> manual
>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>> than
>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>
>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>
>>Hi, TD.....
>>
>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>owns,
>>
>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>
>>Eh, bien!
>>
>>Have a good one!
>>
>>
>>PF
>
> Hey PF..
>
> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>
> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
serious legal departments!
As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
But:
"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
disregards the rest."
-- Paul Simon
>
> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
> of protoplasm and grease!
When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
weeks.
A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>
> Take Care,
>
> TD
And you too!
PF
--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.
-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)
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Re: Patriot opinions
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:28 GMT, Pink Freud©®
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanati on.calm...
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>>
>>>Hi, TD.....
>>>
>>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>>owns,
>>>
>>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>>
>>>Eh, bien!
>>>
>>>Have a good one!
>>>
>>>
>>>PF
>>
>> Hey PF..
>>
>> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>>
>> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
>> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
>> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
>
>And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
>Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
>episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
>serious legal departments!
>
>As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
>be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
>
>But:
>
>"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
>disregards the rest."
>
> -- Paul Simon
>
>
>
>>
>> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
>> of protoplasm and grease!
>
>
>When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
>(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
>weeks.
>
>A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>
>>
>> Take Care,
>>
>> TD
>
>And you too!
>
>
>PF
Yes but you would have to put his body in a open garbage truck to keep
the lard from Oozing all over the ground!
He should be happy that someone cares.
Maybe I should call Washington and arrange for him to be buried at
Arlington, with a Superior Service record, and Safety Pin Stripes,
I'll bet they will jump!!
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanati on.calm...
>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>>
>>>Hi, TD.....
>>>
>>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>>owns,
>>>
>>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>>
>>>Eh, bien!
>>>
>>>Have a good one!
>>>
>>>
>>>PF
>>
>> Hey PF..
>>
>> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>>
>> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
>> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
>> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
>
>And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
>Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
>episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
>serious legal departments!
>
>As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
>be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
>
>But:
>
>"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
>disregards the rest."
>
> -- Paul Simon
>
>
>
>>
>> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
>> of protoplasm and grease!
>
>
>When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
>(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
>weeks.
>
>A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>
>>
>> Take Care,
>>
>> TD
>
>And you too!
>
>
>PF
Yes but you would have to put his body in a open garbage truck to keep
the lard from Oozing all over the ground!
He should be happy that someone cares.
Maybe I should call Washington and arrange for him to be buried at
Arlington, with a Superior Service record, and Safety Pin Stripes,
I'll bet they will jump!!
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Re: Patriot opinions
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:35:01 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:28 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
>>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanat ion.calm...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Earle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>>>
>>>>Hi, TD.....
>>>>
>>>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>>>owns,
>>>>
>>>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>>>
>>>>Eh, bien!
>>>>
>>>>Have a good one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PF
>>>
>>> Hey PF..
>>>
>>> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>>>
>>> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
>>> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
>>> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
>>
>>And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
>>Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
>>episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
>>serious legal departments!
>>
>>As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
>>be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
>>
>>But:
>>
>>"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
>>disregards the rest."
>>
>> -- Paul Simon
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
>>> of protoplasm and grease!
>>
>>
>>When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
>>(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
>>weeks.
>>
>>A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>>
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>>
>>> TD
>>
>>And you too!
>>
>>
>>PF
>
> Yes but you would have to put his body in a open garbage truck to keep
> the lard from Oozing all over the ground!
> He should be happy that someone cares.
> Maybe I should call Washington and arrange for him to be buried at
> Arlington, with a Superior Service record, and Safety Pin Stripes,
> I'll bet they will jump!!
Hey !!! They could use him for The Eternal Flame !!!
--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.
-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:28 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
>>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanat ion.calm...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Earle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>>>
>>>>Hi, TD.....
>>>>
>>>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>>>owns,
>>>>
>>>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>>>
>>>>Eh, bien!
>>>>
>>>>Have a good one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>PF
>>>
>>> Hey PF..
>>>
>>> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>>>
>>> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
>>> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
>>> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
>>
>>And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
>>Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
>>episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
>>serious legal departments!
>>
>>As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
>>be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
>>
>>But:
>>
>>"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
>>disregards the rest."
>>
>> -- Paul Simon
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
>>> of protoplasm and grease!
>>
>>
>>When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
>>(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
>>weeks.
>>
>>A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>>
>>>
>>> Take Care,
>>>
>>> TD
>>
>>And you too!
>>
>>
>>PF
>
> Yes but you would have to put his body in a open garbage truck to keep
> the lard from Oozing all over the ground!
> He should be happy that someone cares.
> Maybe I should call Washington and arrange for him to be buried at
> Arlington, with a Superior Service record, and Safety Pin Stripes,
> I'll bet they will jump!!
Hey !!! They could use him for The Eternal Flame !!!
--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.
-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)
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Re: Patriot opinions
On Jan 23, 1:45 pm, "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
>
> news:__GdnQ0nlJJ4GgranZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@neonova.net. ..
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:fn6f2s$otv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
> >>news:_Yydne30ROX7iAvanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@neonova.ne t...
>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
> >>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> >>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
> >>>>>> package
> >>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
> >>>>>> Anyone
> >>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
> >>>>>> manual
> >>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
> >>>>>> it,
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
> >>>>>> love
> >>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
> >>>>>> Patriot
> >>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
> >>>>>> too.
>
> >>>>>> Thanks.
>
> >>>>>> Earle
>
> >>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>
> >>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
> >>>> need any
> >>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
> >>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
> >>>> This
> >>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
> >>>> subscribers
> >>>> just ignore anything he says.
>
> >>>> Cheers,
>
> >>>> Earle
>
> >>> Hey Earle,
> >>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
> >>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
> >>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
> >>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion a
> >>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
> >>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
> >>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
> >>> Just my opinion though.
> >>> Spdloader
>
> >> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
> >> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
> >> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
> >> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
> >> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
> >> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it isn't..
>
> >> Thanks.
>
> >> Earle
>
> > No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> > Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had trouble
> > finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> > Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> > sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> > the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> > Later,
> > Spdloader
>
> I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
> manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
> crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
> of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
> driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
> like that for years.
>
> Later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
19:1 is not very good. The 2.5 YJ with AX5 has 43.8 stock which is
pretty respectable for a stock 4x4. They feature the 19:1 like it is
something special but it is actually pretty bad. The automatic does
provide more torque multiplication so 19:1 may be closer to 28.5 in
practice wich is about par with many stock SUVs.
I would go for a Liberty for more comfort. Other than that, I´m sure
it will make it over some rough roads just fine. Jp Magazine
published a review and it seemed to be pretty good overall.
> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
>
> news:__GdnQ0nlJJ4GgranZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@neonova.net. ..
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:fn6f2s$otv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
> >>news:_Yydne30ROX7iAvanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@neonova.ne t...
>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
> >>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> >>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
> >>>>>> package
> >>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
> >>>>>> Anyone
> >>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
> >>>>>> manual
> >>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
> >>>>>> it,
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
> >>>>>> love
> >>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
> >>>>>> Patriot
> >>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
> >>>>>> too.
>
> >>>>>> Thanks.
>
> >>>>>> Earle
>
> >>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>
> >>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
> >>>> need any
> >>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
> >>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
> >>>> This
> >>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
> >>>> subscribers
> >>>> just ignore anything he says.
>
> >>>> Cheers,
>
> >>>> Earle
>
> >>> Hey Earle,
> >>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
> >>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
> >>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
> >>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion a
> >>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
> >>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
> >>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
> >>> Just my opinion though.
> >>> Spdloader
>
> >> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
> >> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
> >> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
> >> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
> >> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
> >> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it isn't..
>
> >> Thanks.
>
> >> Earle
>
> > No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> > Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had trouble
> > finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> > Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> > sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> > the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> > Later,
> > Spdloader
>
> I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
> manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
> crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
> of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
> driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
> like that for years.
>
> Later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
19:1 is not very good. The 2.5 YJ with AX5 has 43.8 stock which is
pretty respectable for a stock 4x4. They feature the 19:1 like it is
something special but it is actually pretty bad. The automatic does
provide more torque multiplication so 19:1 may be closer to 28.5 in
practice wich is about par with many stock SUVs.
I would go for a Liberty for more comfort. Other than that, I´m sure
it will make it over some rough roads just fine. Jp Magazine
published a review and it seemed to be pretty good overall.
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Re: Patriot opinions
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:58:53 GMT, Pink Freud©®
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:35:01 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:28 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
>>>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepana tion.calm...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Earle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>>>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi, TD.....
>>>>>
>>>>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>>>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>>>>owns,
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>>>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eh, bien!
>>>>>
>>>>>Have a good one!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>PF
>>>>
>>>> Hey PF..
>>>>
>>>> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>>>>
>>>> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
>>>> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
>>>> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
>>>
>>>And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
>>>Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
>>>episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
>>>serious legal departments!
>>>
>>>As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
>>>be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
>>>
>>>But:
>>>
>>>"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
>>>disregards the rest."
>>>
>>> -- Paul Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
>>>> of protoplasm and grease!
>>>
>>>
>>>When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
>>>(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
>>>weeks.
>>>
>>>A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take Care,
>>>>
>>>> TD
>>>
>>>And you too!
>>>
>>>
>>>PF
>>
>> Yes but you would have to put his body in a open garbage truck to keep
>> the lard from Oozing all over the ground!
>> He should be happy that someone cares.
>> Maybe I should call Washington and arrange for him to be buried at
>> Arlington, with a Superior Service record, and Safety Pin Stripes,
>> I'll bet they will jump!!
>
>Hey !!! They could use him for The Eternal Flame !!!
Yeah if you like the smell of rotting lard!
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:35:01 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:08:28 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
>>>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>>>>>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepana tion.calm...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>>>>>> Anyone
>>>>>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>>>>>> Patriot
>>>>>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>>>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>>>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>>>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>>>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Earle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>>>>>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi, TD.....
>>>>>
>>>>>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>>>>>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>>>>>owns,
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>>>>>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eh, bien!
>>>>>
>>>>>Have a good one!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>PF
>>>>
>>>> Hey PF..
>>>>
>>>> Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!
>>>>
>>>> "The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
>>>> Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
>>>> ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!
>>>
>>>And the available POIA documents go past WW2 incidents, in fact past
>>>Korea. The damned things were so dangerous that they even devoted an
>>>episode of M*A*S*H to it, albeit very cautiously. Them studios have
>>>serious legal departments!
>>>
>>>As I've said before, if Nader had taken on the WW2-era Jeeps instead, he'd
>>>be considered a hero instead of a nutcase.
>>>
>>>But:
>>>
>>>"All lies and jests, still a man hears what he wants to hear and
>>>disregards the rest."
>>>
>>> -- Paul Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard blob
>>>> of protoplasm and grease!
>>>
>>>
>>>When he finally croaks, someone should screw a huge wick in his navel
>>>(after they find it), light it and the glow would brighten the world for
>>>weeks.
>>>
>>>A nice way for a genetic mistake to check out, methinks.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Take Care,
>>>>
>>>> TD
>>>
>>>And you too!
>>>
>>>
>>>PF
>>
>> Yes but you would have to put his body in a open garbage truck to keep
>> the lard from Oozing all over the ground!
>> He should be happy that someone cares.
>> Maybe I should call Washington and arrange for him to be buried at
>> Arlington, with a Superior Service record, and Safety Pin Stripes,
>> I'll bet they will jump!!
>
>Hey !!! They could use him for The Eternal Flame !!!
Yeah if you like the smell of rotting lard!
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Re: Patriot opinions
"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 23, 1:45 pm, "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
>
> news:__GdnQ0nlJJ4GgranZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@neonova.net. ..
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:fn6f2s$otv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
> >>news:_Yydne30ROX7iAvanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@neonova.ne t...
>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
> >>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
> >>>>>> package
> >>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
> >>>>>> Anyone
> >>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
> >>>>>> manual
> >>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the
> >>>>>> tightwads
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
> >>>>>> it,
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
> >>>>>> love
> >>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle,
> >>>>>> although
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
> >>>>>> Patriot
> >>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more
> >>>>>> oomph
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
> >>>>>> too.
>
> >>>>>> Thanks.
>
> >>>>>> Earle
>
> >>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>
> >>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
> >>>> need any
> >>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl
> >>>> ratio,
> >>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
> >>>> This
> >>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
> >>>> subscribers
> >>>> just ignore anything he says.
>
> >>>> Cheers,
>
> >>>> Earle
>
> >>> Hey Earle,
> >>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
> >>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
> >>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
> >>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion
> >>> a
> >>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
> >>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
> >>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
> >>> Just my opinion though.
> >>> Spdloader
>
> >> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
> >> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
> >> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
> >> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
> >> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
> >> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it
> >> isn't.
>
> >> Thanks.
>
> >> Earle
>
> > No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> > Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had
> > trouble
> > finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> > Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> > sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> > the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> > Later,
> > Spdloader
>
> I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
> manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
> crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
> of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
> driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
> like that for years.
>
> Later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
19:1 is not very good. The 2.5 YJ with AX5 has 43.8 stock which is
pretty respectable for a stock 4x4. They feature the 19:1 like it is
something special but it is actually pretty bad. The automatic does
provide more torque multiplication so 19:1 may be closer to 28.5 in
practice wich is about par with many stock SUVs.
I would go for a Liberty for more comfort. Other than that, I´m sure
it will make it over some rough roads just fine. Jp Magazine
published a review and it seemed to be pretty good overall.
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Funny, I thought "Trail Ready" might mean something. The Patriot looks like
a better candidate for trading in my Honda Civic, and I just got new winter
tires for it. I am looking at Liberties now. (I know the plural of a brand
name would be "Libertys", but I don't care.) Too bad they don't let you
order different axle ratios.
Thanks.
Earle
news:757ad07b-1c99-47a9-8332-13415ccd430a@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 23, 1:45 pm, "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
>
> news:__GdnQ0nlJJ4GgranZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@neonova.net. ..
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >news:fn6f2s$otv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> >> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
> >>news:_Yydne30ROX7iAvanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@neonova.ne t...
>
> >>> "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
> >>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote in
> >>>> message
> >>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
> >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
> >>>>>> package
> >>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
> >>>>>> Anyone
> >>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
> >>>>>> manual
> >>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the
> >>>>>> tightwads
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
> >>>>>> it,
> >>>>>> at
> >>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
> >>>>>> love
> >>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle,
> >>>>>> although
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
> >>>>>> Patriot
> >>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more
> >>>>>> oomph
> >>>>>> than
> >>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
> >>>>>> too.
>
> >>>>>> Thanks.
>
> >>>>>> Earle
>
> >>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>
> >>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
> >>>> need any
> >>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl
> >>>> ratio,
> >>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
> >>>> This
> >>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
> >>>> subscribers
> >>>> just ignore anything he says.
>
> >>>> Cheers,
>
> >>>> Earle
>
> >>> Hey Earle,
> >>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
> >>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
> >>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
> >>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion
> >>> a
> >>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
> >>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
> >>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
> >>> Just my opinion though.
> >>> Spdloader
>
> >> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
> >> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
> >> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
> >> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
> >> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
> >> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it
> >> isn't.
>
> >> Thanks.
>
> >> Earle
>
> > No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> > Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had
> > trouble
> > finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> > Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> > sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> > the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> > Later,
> > Spdloader
>
> I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
> manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
> crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
> of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
> driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
> like that for years.
>
> Later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
19:1 is not very good. The 2.5 YJ with AX5 has 43.8 stock which is
pretty respectable for a stock 4x4. They feature the 19:1 like it is
something special but it is actually pretty bad. The automatic does
provide more torque multiplication so 19:1 may be closer to 28.5 in
practice wich is about par with many stock SUVs.
I would go for a Liberty for more comfort. Other than that, I´m sure
it will make it over some rough roads just fine. Jp Magazine
published a review and it seemed to be pretty good overall.
--- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
Funny, I thought "Trail Ready" might mean something. The Patriot looks like
a better candidate for trading in my Honda Civic, and I just got new winter
tires for it. I am looking at Liberties now. (I know the plural of a brand
name would be "Libertys", but I don't care.) Too bad they don't let you
order different axle ratios.
Thanks.
Earle
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Re: Patriot opinions
On Jan 23, 11:08 pm, "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote:
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:757ad07b-1c99-47a9-8332-13415ccd430a@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 23, 1:45 pm, "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:__GdnQ0nlJJ4GgranZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@neonova.net ...
>
> > > "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >news:fn6f2s$otv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > >> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
> > >>news:_Yydne30ROX7iAvanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@neonova.ne t...
>
> > >>> "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
> > >>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote in
> > >>>> message
> > >>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
> > >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
> > >>>>>> package
> > >>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
> > >>>>>> Anyone
> > >>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
> > >>>>>> manual
> > >>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the
> > >>>>>> tightwads
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
> > >>>>>> it,
> > >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
> > >>>>>> love
> > >>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle,
> > >>>>>> although
> > >>>>>> I
> > >>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
> > >>>>>> Patriot
> > >>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more
> > >>>>>> oomph
> > >>>>>> than
> > >>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
> > >>>>>> too.
>
> > >>>>>> Thanks.
>
> > >>>>>> Earle
>
> > >>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>
> > >>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
> > >>>> need any
> > >>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl
> > >>>> ratio,
> > >>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
> > >>>> This
> > >>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
> > >>>> subscribers
> > >>>> just ignore anything he says.
>
> > >>>> Cheers,
>
> > >>>> Earle
>
> > >>> Hey Earle,
> > >>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
> > >>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
> > >>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
> > >>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion
> > >>> a
> > >>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
> > >>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
> > >>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
> > >>> Just my opinion though.
> > >>> Spdloader
>
> > >> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
> > >> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
> > >> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
> > >> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
> > >> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
> > >> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it
> > >> isn't.
>
> > >> Thanks.
>
> > >> Earle
>
> > > No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> > > Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had
> > > trouble
> > > finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> > > Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> > > sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> > > the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> > > Later,
> > > Spdloader
>
> > I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
> > manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
> > crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
> > of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
> > driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
> > like that for years.
>
> > Later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> 19:1 is not very good. The 2.5 YJ with AX5 has 43.8 stock which is
> pretty respectable for a stock 4x4. They feature the 19:1 like it is
> something special but it is actually pretty bad. The automatic does
> provide more torque multiplication so 19:1 may be closer to 28.5 in
> practice wich is about par with many stock SUVs.
>
> I would go for a Liberty for more comfort. Other than that, I´m sure
> it will make it over some rough roads just fine. Jp Magazine
> published a review and it seemed to be pretty good overall.
> --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
> Funny, I thought "Trail Ready" might mean something. The Patriot looks like
> a better candidate for trading in my Honda Civic, and I just got new winter
> tires for it. I am looking at Liberties now. (I know the plural of abrand
> name would be "Libertys", but I don't care.) Too bad they don't let you
> order different axle ratios.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Another option might be the JK, it is much more comfortable than a YJ
and its off road ability is clearly very good.
One thing about the Liberty, it is surprisingly good off road when
ground clearance is not the main concern. On a recent wheeling trip
we tried climbing a steep muddy slope. Only one vehicle made it up, a
Rubicon TJ with both axles locked and 35 inch tires. The vehicle that
made it up the furthest after the Rubicon was a Liberty. No other YJ,
TJ or ZJ made it up as far. Maybe it was luck or superior driving but
in any case the Liberty did very well.
> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:757ad07b-1c99-47a9-8332-13415ccd430a@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 23, 1:45 pm, "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:__GdnQ0nlJJ4GgranZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@neonova.net ...
>
> > > "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >news:fn6f2s$otv$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> > >> "Spdloader" <brysonctnos...@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
> > >>news:_Yydne30ROX7iAvanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@neonova.ne t...
>
> > >>> "Earle Horton" <0123...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > >>>news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org.. .
> > >>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotom...@trepanation.calm> wrote in
> > >>>> message
> > >>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanatio n.calm...
> > >>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > >>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
> > >>>>>> package
> > >>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
> > >>>>>> Anyone
> > >>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
> > >>>>>> manual
> > >>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the
> > >>>>>> tightwads
> > >>>>>> that
> > >>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
> > >>>>>> it,
> > >>>>>> at
> > >>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
> > >>>>>> love
> > >>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle,
> > >>>>>> although
> > >>>>>> I
> > >>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
> > >>>>>> Patriot
> > >>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more
> > >>>>>> oomph
> > >>>>>> than
> > >>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
> > >>>>>> too.
>
> > >>>>>> Thanks.
>
> > >>>>>> Earle
>
> > >>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>
> > >>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really
> > >>>> need any
> > >>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl
> > >>>> ratio,
> > >>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
> > >>>> This
> > >>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
> > >>>> subscribers
> > >>>> just ignore anything he says.
>
> > >>>> Cheers,
>
> > >>>> Earle
>
> > >>> Hey Earle,
> > >>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
> > >>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do
> > >>> not fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two
> > >>> available four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion
> > >>> a
> > >>> road vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging)
> > >>> and the occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement
> > >>> for the Cherokee by any stretch.
> > >>> Just my opinion though.
> > >>> Spdloader
>
> > >> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
> > >> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember
> > >> when my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual
> > >> steering. Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that
> > >> Nitro I was looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize
> > >> that it is just a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it
> > >> isn't.
>
> > >> Thanks.
>
> > >> Earle
>
> > > No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
> > > Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had
> > > trouble
> > > finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand
> > > Cherokee, nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to
> > > sit in the raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is
> > > the New Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
> > > Later,
> > > Spdloader
>
> > I am a six footer but my other car is a Honda Civic. I'd really like a
> > manual transmission, but the idea of a Ford-Escape-sized car with a decent
> > crawl ratio, well that might even be OK with an auto. There is another set
> > of holes in the stock Wrangler seat mounting, so that you can put the
> > driver's seat about an inch back of the stock location. I have had mine
> > like that for years.
>
> > Later.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> 19:1 is not very good. The 2.5 YJ with AX5 has 43.8 stock which is
> pretty respectable for a stock 4x4. They feature the 19:1 like it is
> something special but it is actually pretty bad. The automatic does
> provide more torque multiplication so 19:1 may be closer to 28.5 in
> practice wich is about par with many stock SUVs.
>
> I would go for a Liberty for more comfort. Other than that, I´m sure
> it will make it over some rough roads just fine. Jp Magazine
> published a review and it seemed to be pretty good overall.
> --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
> Funny, I thought "Trail Ready" might mean something. The Patriot looks like
> a better candidate for trading in my Honda Civic, and I just got new winter
> tires for it. I am looking at Liberties now. (I know the plural of abrand
> name would be "Libertys", but I don't care.) Too bad they don't let you
> order different axle ratios.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Another option might be the JK, it is much more comfortable than a YJ
and its off road ability is clearly very good.
One thing about the Liberty, it is surprisingly good off road when
ground clearance is not the main concern. On a recent wheeling trip
we tried climbing a steep muddy slope. Only one vehicle made it up, a
Rubicon TJ with both axles locked and 35 inch tires. The vehicle that
made it up the furthest after the Rubicon was a Liberty. No other YJ,
TJ or ZJ made it up as far. Maybe it was luck or superior driving but
in any case the Liberty did very well.
Guest
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Re: Patriot opinions
That's good, cause it sure isn't good on-road:
http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
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"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Another option might be the JK, it is much more comfortable than a YJ
and its off road ability is clearly very good.
One thing about the Liberty, it is surprisingly good off road when
ground clearance is not the main concern. On a recent wheeling trip
we tried climbing a steep muddy slope. Only one vehicle made it up, a
Rubicon TJ with both axles locked and 35 inch tires. The vehicle that
made it up the furthest after the Rubicon was a Liberty. No other YJ,
TJ or ZJ made it up as far. Maybe it was luck or superior driving but
in any case the Liberty did very well.
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http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
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"nrs" <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Another option might be the JK, it is much more comfortable than a YJ
and its off road ability is clearly very good.
One thing about the Liberty, it is surprisingly good off road when
ground clearance is not the main concern. On a recent wheeling trip
we tried climbing a steep muddy slope. Only one vehicle made it up, a
Rubicon TJ with both axles locked and 35 inch tires. The vehicle that
made it up the furthest after the Rubicon was a Liberty. No other YJ,
TJ or ZJ made it up as far. Maybe it was luck or superior driving but
in any case the Liberty did very well.
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On Jan 24, 10:47 am, "------------------------ III"
<BillHug...@----------.com> wrote:
> That's good, cause it sure isn't good on-road:http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
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> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f27ea87a-930b-453c-8019-8980ef1a7744@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> Another option might be the JK, it is much more comfortable than a YJ
> and its off road ability is clearly very good.
>
> One thing about the Liberty, it is surprisingly good off road when
> ground clearance is not the main concern. On a recent wheeling trip
> we tried climbing a steep muddy slope. Only one vehicle made it up, a
> Rubicon TJ with both axles locked and 35 inch tires. The vehicle that
> made it up the furthest after the Rubicon was a Liberty. No other YJ,
> TJ or ZJ made it up as far. Maybe it was luck or superior driving but
> in any case the Liberty did very well.
>
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If you disconnect the sway bars it gets much better. I agree it's not
a match for a CJ but it is pretty good for mild off road use.
<BillHug...@----------.com> wrote:
> That's good, cause it sure isn't good on-road:http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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> "nrs" <neale...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:f27ea87a-930b-453c-8019-8980ef1a7744@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> Another option might be the JK, it is much more comfortable than a YJ
> and its off road ability is clearly very good.
>
> One thing about the Liberty, it is surprisingly good off road when
> ground clearance is not the main concern. On a recent wheeling trip
> we tried climbing a steep muddy slope. Only one vehicle made it up, a
> Rubicon TJ with both axles locked and 35 inch tires. The vehicle that
> made it up the furthest after the Rubicon was a Liberty. No other YJ,
> TJ or ZJ made it up as far. Maybe it was luck or superior driving but
> in any case the Liberty did very well.
>
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If you disconnect the sway bars it gets much better. I agree it's not
a match for a CJ but it is pretty good for mild off road use.