Earle Horton

I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions? Anyone
driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order manual
transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads that
tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it, at
least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the Patriot
has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph than
my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.

Thanks.

Earle

Pink Freud®©

On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:

> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions? Anyone
> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order manual
> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads that
> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it, at
> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the Patriot
> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph than
> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle


It's not a REAL JEEP !!






(I just had to beat him to it.....)




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"The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it".

Earle Horton

"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation.ca lm...
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>
>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>> Anyone
>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>> manual
>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>> that
>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>> at
>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>> Patriot
>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>> than
>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Earle
>
>
> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>
The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
just ignore anything he says.

Cheers,

Earle

Terry Dactille©~®

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
<0123456@nospam.com> wrote:

>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation.c alm...
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>> Anyone
>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>> manual
>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>> that
>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>> at
>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>> Patriot
>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>> than
>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>
>>
>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>
>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>just ignore anything he says.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Earle
>
>
Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
But then again he's your Bud!!!

Spdloader

"Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation.ca lm...
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
>>> package
>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>> Anyone
>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>> manual
>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>> that
>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>> at
>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
>>> love
>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>> Patriot
>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>> than
>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Earle
>>
>>
>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>
> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need
> any
> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
> This
> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
> subscribers
> just ignore anything he says.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle

Hey Earle,
I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do not
fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two available
four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion a road vehicle
that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging) and the occasional
mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement for the Cherokee by any
stretch.
Just my opinion though.
Spdloader

Pink Freud®©

On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation. calm...
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>> Anyone
>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>> manual
>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>> that
>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>> at
>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>> Patriot
>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>> than
>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>
>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>just ignore anything he says.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>
> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
> But then again he's your Bud!!!

Hi, TD.....

That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
owns,

Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
nice big :^p emoticon to help.

Eh, bien!

Have a good one!


PF

--
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it".

Pink Freud©®

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:04:48 -0800, Fat Superman ------ wrote in
alt.binaries.pictures.autos and alt.binaries.automobile.pictures:

> This from

<snippity-doo-dah>


> I bet you're dreaming of sucking my -----


As a card-carrying heterosexual, I honestly can't think of ANYTHING more
totally disgusting than that.

Even a picture of you makes me wanna barf.

A large dose of sodium cyanide would be far more preferable.



> you keeps following me around.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:----------@----------.com
> http://www.----------.com/jeep_bookmark.htm


You've got that totally backwards, fat gayboi.

YOU are following /me/ around (and I don't want to know what you're
dreaming about), and you've been doing it for years now.

Unrequited lust, I suspect.


>
> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.01.22.21.55.23.36739@trepanation.cal m...
>>
>> Hi, TD.....
>>
>> That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought:
>> Billie's Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what
>> he hisselfs owns,
>>
>> Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek
>> without a nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>>
>> Eh, bien!
>>
>> Have a good one!
>>
>>
>> PF
>>
>> --
>> "The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it".
>>

--
Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assault of thoughts
on the unthinking.

-John Maynard Keynes, economist (1883-1946)

Earle Horton

"Spdloader" <brysonctnospam@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation.ca lm...
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
>>>> package
>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>> Anyone
>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>> manual
>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>> that
>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
>>>> it,
>>>> at
>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
>>>> love
>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>> Patriot
>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>> than
>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
>>>> too.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Earle
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>
>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need
>> any
>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
>> This
>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
>> subscribers
>> just ignore anything he says.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Earle
>
> Hey Earle,
> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do not
> fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two available
> four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion a road vehicle
> that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging) and the
> occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement for the
> Cherokee by any stretch.
> Just my opinion though.
> Spdloader
>
>
Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember when
my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual steering.
Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that Nitro I was
looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize that it is just a
repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it isn't.

Thanks.

Earle

Terry Dactille©~®

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:53:22 GMT, Pink Freud®©
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:59:56 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:49:33 -0700, "Earle Horton"
>> <0123456@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>>news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation .calm...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road package
>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>> Anyone
>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>> manual
>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>> that
>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order it,
>>>>> at
>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I love
>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although I
>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>> Patriot
>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>> than
>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>
>>>The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need any
>>>more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>>raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability. This
>>>fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all subscribers
>>>just ignore anything he says.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>
>> Your Bud Bill will tell you the same, "It's not a real Jeep"!
>> But then again he's your Bud!!!
>
>Hi, TD.....
>
>That is exactly what I was referring to, humourously, I thought: Billie's
>Jeep-arrogance regarding the worth of anything other than what he hisselfs
>owns,
>
>Ah well, some folks I guess can't discern tongue-firmly-in-cheek without a
>nice big :^p emoticon to help.
>
>Eh, bien!
>
>Have a good one!
>
>
>PF

Hey PF..

Stupidity rocks on no matter how bright the bulb!

"The Jeep won the war", another ignorant statement from no-nothing....
Stupidman never mentions the thousands of solders who gave the
ultimate price, which he knows NOTHING about!

His logic is putrid and disgusting, but to be expected from a lard
blob of protoplasm and grease!

Take Care,

TD

Spdloader

"Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> "Spdloader" <brysonctnospam@nospamatmc.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Earle Horton" <0123456@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:fn53ge$2lm$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> "Pink Freud®©" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2008.01.22.04.38.34.424469@trepanation.ca lm...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:43:35 -0700, Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am about to order a 2008 Patriot, manual transmission, off road
>>>>> package
>>>>> with 19:1 crawl to replace a fourteen year old Wrangler. Opinions?
>>>>> Anyone
>>>>> driven one of these puppies? The salesman tells me they don't order
>>>>> manual
>>>>> transmission with 25E and AWL for dealer stock, because the tightwads
>>>>> that
>>>>> tend to order manual tranny like to keep the price down. If I order
>>>>> it,
>>>>> at
>>>>> least I can get a red one with a sun roof. Or maybe black, damn! I
>>>>> love
>>>>> the Wrangler but it is not really a super commuting vehicle, although
>>>>> I
>>>>> still need some off-road capability. I don't really care that the
>>>>> Patriot
>>>>> has a wimpy four cylinder engine; it probably has a little more oomph
>>>>> than
>>>>> my present ride. Maybe if I order it I can get a decent axle ratio
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not a REAL JEEP !!
>>>>
>>> The AWL package includes a "Trail Ready" badge. One doesn't really need
>>> any
>>> more than this, but it does also have skid plates and 19:1 crawl ratio,
>>> raised white lettering on the tires that implies off road capability.
>>> This
>>> fellow has no idea what he is talking about. I recommend to all
>>> subscribers
>>> just ignore anything he says.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Earle
>>
>> Hey Earle,
>> I went and drove one with my daughter, she wants to trade her '90
>> Cherokee. It's great for her, but I'm 6'1 and 300lbs. I definitely do not
>> fit in it. It seems a little weak, so get the bigger of the two available
>> four cyls if you get one. This is definitely, in my opinion a road
>> vehicle that can occasionally navigate off road (dirt or logging) and the
>> occasional mild snow storm. But it isn't a viable replacement for the
>> Cherokee by any stretch.
>> Just my opinion though.
>> Spdloader
>>
>>
> Heh, the first big shock is that Manual Transmission appears to be
> incompatible with Off-Road Crawl Ratio, skid plates, etc. I remember when
> my friend's uncle ordered a 1964 Mercury Marquis SW with manual steering.
> Whatever happened to those days? I might have to get that Nitro I was
> looking at, just to get Manual plus Low Range. I realize that it is just
> a repackaged Liberty, but I could pretend that it isn't.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Earle

No problem. The Nitro is a little better, but as you said a repackaged
Liberty. It is very lean on room in the footwell. So much so I had trouble
finding a place to rest my left foot while test driving. The Grand Cherokee,
nearly gave me a concussion getting in the lowered roofline to sit in the
raised seat. Every time. About the only thing that fits me is the New
Wrangler, and the Commander, and my '87 Wrangler.
Later,
Spdloader