"over-run" brakes?
#51
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:R_G8e.10003$lP1.836@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So, there's something inherently different about the Defenders? Heavier?
> Or ?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer
>
> Dave Milne (jeep@_nospam_milne.info) wrote on Sunday 17 April 2005 01:18
pm:
>
> > Jeep TJs towing capacity with over-run brakes, which as Nathan said is
> > simply a telescopic hitch which when compressed applies the brakes and
> > which disengages when you reverse , is 2000kg. Without it, it is 2000lb.
I
> > have towed 1500kg with my twin axle braked 8' x 6' bed trailer and it is
> > perfectly stable. Wouldn't try much more though, and not that with a
> > single axle trailer or unbraked one..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:ujl8e.7675$An2.7612@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> While perusing a Land Rover web page, I noticed that the towing
capacity
> > of
> >> a Defender 90 is similar to that of a Jeep's except when using a
trailer
> >> with "over-run" brakes, in which case the towing capacity is about
7,700
> >> lbs (3,500 kgs).
>
box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:R_G8e.10003$lP1.836@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So, there's something inherently different about the Defenders? Heavier?
> Or ?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer
>
> Dave Milne (jeep@_nospam_milne.info) wrote on Sunday 17 April 2005 01:18
pm:
>
> > Jeep TJs towing capacity with over-run brakes, which as Nathan said is
> > simply a telescopic hitch which when compressed applies the brakes and
> > which disengages when you reverse , is 2000kg. Without it, it is 2000lb.
I
> > have towed 1500kg with my twin axle braked 8' x 6' bed trailer and it is
> > perfectly stable. Wouldn't try much more though, and not that with a
> > single axle trailer or unbraked one..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:ujl8e.7675$An2.7612@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> While perusing a Land Rover web page, I noticed that the towing
capacity
> > of
> >> a Defender 90 is similar to that of a Jeep's except when using a
trailer
> >> with "over-run" brakes, in which case the towing capacity is about
7,700
> >> lbs (3,500 kgs).
>
#52
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Posts: n/a
Re: "over-run" brakes?
The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:R_G8e.10003$lP1.836@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So, there's something inherently different about the Defenders? Heavier?
> Or ?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer
>
> Dave Milne (jeep@_nospam_milne.info) wrote on Sunday 17 April 2005 01:18
pm:
>
> > Jeep TJs towing capacity with over-run brakes, which as Nathan said is
> > simply a telescopic hitch which when compressed applies the brakes and
> > which disengages when you reverse , is 2000kg. Without it, it is 2000lb.
I
> > have towed 1500kg with my twin axle braked 8' x 6' bed trailer and it is
> > perfectly stable. Wouldn't try much more though, and not that with a
> > single axle trailer or unbraked one..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:ujl8e.7675$An2.7612@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> While perusing a Land Rover web page, I noticed that the towing
capacity
> > of
> >> a Defender 90 is similar to that of a Jeep's except when using a
trailer
> >> with "over-run" brakes, in which case the towing capacity is about
7,700
> >> lbs (3,500 kgs).
>
box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:R_G8e.10003$lP1.836@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So, there's something inherently different about the Defenders? Heavier?
> Or ?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer
>
> Dave Milne (jeep@_nospam_milne.info) wrote on Sunday 17 April 2005 01:18
pm:
>
> > Jeep TJs towing capacity with over-run brakes, which as Nathan said is
> > simply a telescopic hitch which when compressed applies the brakes and
> > which disengages when you reverse , is 2000kg. Without it, it is 2000lb.
I
> > have towed 1500kg with my twin axle braked 8' x 6' bed trailer and it is
> > perfectly stable. Wouldn't try much more though, and not that with a
> > single axle trailer or unbraked one..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:ujl8e.7675$An2.7612@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> While perusing a Land Rover web page, I noticed that the towing
capacity
> > of
> >> a Defender 90 is similar to that of a Jeep's except when using a
trailer
> >> with "over-run" brakes, in which case the towing capacity is about
7,700
> >> lbs (3,500 kgs).
>
#53
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:R_G8e.10003$lP1.836@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So, there's something inherently different about the Defenders? Heavier?
> Or ?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer
>
> Dave Milne (jeep@_nospam_milne.info) wrote on Sunday 17 April 2005 01:18
pm:
>
> > Jeep TJs towing capacity with over-run brakes, which as Nathan said is
> > simply a telescopic hitch which when compressed applies the brakes and
> > which disengages when you reverse , is 2000kg. Without it, it is 2000lb.
I
> > have towed 1500kg with my twin axle braked 8' x 6' bed trailer and it is
> > perfectly stable. Wouldn't try much more though, and not that with a
> > single axle trailer or unbraked one..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:ujl8e.7675$An2.7612@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> While perusing a Land Rover web page, I noticed that the towing
capacity
> > of
> >> a Defender 90 is similar to that of a Jeep's except when using a
trailer
> >> with "over-run" brakes, in which case the towing capacity is about
7,700
> >> lbs (3,500 kgs).
>
box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:R_G8e.10003$lP1.836@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> So, there's something inherently different about the Defenders? Heavier?
> Or ?
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
> fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer
>
> Dave Milne (jeep@_nospam_milne.info) wrote on Sunday 17 April 2005 01:18
pm:
>
> > Jeep TJs towing capacity with over-run brakes, which as Nathan said is
> > simply a telescopic hitch which when compressed applies the brakes and
> > which disengages when you reverse , is 2000kg. Without it, it is 2000lb.
I
> > have towed 1500kg with my twin axle braked 8' x 6' bed trailer and it is
> > perfectly stable. Wouldn't try much more though, and not that with a
> > single axle trailer or unbraked one..
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Michael White" <michael12@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:ujl8e.7675$An2.7612@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> While perusing a Land Rover web page, I noticed that the towing
capacity
> > of
> >> a Defender 90 is similar to that of a Jeep's except when using a
trailer
> >> with "over-run" brakes, in which case the towing capacity is about
7,700
> >> lbs (3,500 kgs).
>
#54
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
Dave Milne wrote:
> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
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> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
#55
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
Dave Milne wrote:
> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
#56
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
Dave Milne wrote:
> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
#57
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
Dave Milne wrote:
> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
> The Defender is heavier, and has more substantial axles and a much stronger
> box section chassis, more akin to the Wagoneer in size.However, it still
> has the same short wheel base as the Jeep, higher ground clearance and a
> less powerful engine. It probably comes down to a less litigious attitude...
And my 1984 110V8 pulled my 2000kg trailer much better than the Jeep
can. OK, the Jeep can pull it fine, and with fairly effortless use of
power compared to the V8 landrover, but it still can't pull it in a
straight line :(.
110 = 1850kg approx. Jeep = 1500kg approx.
Mind you, the LR90 I used for a while also had no problems and it is
much nearer the Jeep's weight...
I have to say I miss my 110...
Now looking at a Toyota Hilux Surf...
and a Ford Explorer...
can't afford another 110...
--
Regards,
Danny
http://www.gaggia-espresso.com (a purely hobby site)
http://www.dannyscoffee.com (UK advert for my mobile espresso service)
http://www.malabargold.co.uk (UK/European online ordering for Malabar
Gold blend)
swap Z for above characters in email address to reply
#58
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:036661d3b8ftvqg0k5cjb0j324ln7tqbr0@4ax.com...
> I think you made the prudent decision with surge brakes, in your
> situation.
because so many folks objected on using surge brakes over 5,000 pounds i
changed my order last minute and got the electric brakes. i looked at the
jordan controller but ended up getting a prodigy. if they ever catch up on
production i plan on getting a brake smart system (http://brakesmart.net)
because it seems almost to good to be true. they currently have an 8 week
wait and i couldnt wait that long. i may go ahead and order one now and
just wait on it.
btw, the jeep fits! http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4364
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:036661d3b8ftvqg0k5cjb0j324ln7tqbr0@4ax.com...
> I think you made the prudent decision with surge brakes, in your
> situation.
because so many folks objected on using surge brakes over 5,000 pounds i
changed my order last minute and got the electric brakes. i looked at the
jordan controller but ended up getting a prodigy. if they ever catch up on
production i plan on getting a brake smart system (http://brakesmart.net)
because it seems almost to good to be true. they currently have an 8 week
wait and i couldnt wait that long. i may go ahead and order one now and
just wait on it.
btw, the jeep fits! http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4364
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
#59
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:036661d3b8ftvqg0k5cjb0j324ln7tqbr0@4ax.com...
> I think you made the prudent decision with surge brakes, in your
> situation.
because so many folks objected on using surge brakes over 5,000 pounds i
changed my order last minute and got the electric brakes. i looked at the
jordan controller but ended up getting a prodigy. if they ever catch up on
production i plan on getting a brake smart system (http://brakesmart.net)
because it seems almost to good to be true. they currently have an 8 week
wait and i couldnt wait that long. i may go ahead and order one now and
just wait on it.
btw, the jeep fits! http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4364
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:036661d3b8ftvqg0k5cjb0j324ln7tqbr0@4ax.com...
> I think you made the prudent decision with surge brakes, in your
> situation.
because so many folks objected on using surge brakes over 5,000 pounds i
changed my order last minute and got the electric brakes. i looked at the
jordan controller but ended up getting a prodigy. if they ever catch up on
production i plan on getting a brake smart system (http://brakesmart.net)
because it seems almost to good to be true. they currently have an 8 week
wait and i couldnt wait that long. i may go ahead and order one now and
just wait on it.
btw, the jeep fits! http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4364
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
#60
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Re: "over-run" brakes?
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:036661d3b8ftvqg0k5cjb0j324ln7tqbr0@4ax.com...
> I think you made the prudent decision with surge brakes, in your
> situation.
because so many folks objected on using surge brakes over 5,000 pounds i
changed my order last minute and got the electric brakes. i looked at the
jordan controller but ended up getting a prodigy. if they ever catch up on
production i plan on getting a brake smart system (http://brakesmart.net)
because it seems almost to good to be true. they currently have an 8 week
wait and i couldnt wait that long. i may go ahead and order one now and
just wait on it.
btw, the jeep fits! http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4364
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
news:036661d3b8ftvqg0k5cjb0j324ln7tqbr0@4ax.com...
> I think you made the prudent decision with surge brakes, in your
> situation.
because so many folks objected on using surge brakes over 5,000 pounds i
changed my order last minute and got the electric brakes. i looked at the
jordan controller but ended up getting a prodigy. if they ever catch up on
production i plan on getting a brake smart system (http://brakesmart.net)
because it seems almost to good to be true. they currently have an 8 week
wait and i couldnt wait that long. i may go ahead and order one now and
just wait on it.
btw, the jeep fits! http://utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4364
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com