OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
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Re: Argo and other 6-8 wheeled ATV capabilities was Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:03:43 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:667fpv8u8n2kkecktd85di46i558trb9m9@4ax.com.. .
>> >agreed. the biggest factor in my decision was that i dont like the
>polaris
>> >front drive system. many swear by it and think its great and i know its
>> >effective, i just dont like it.
>>
>> Why what is different about it?
>
>when you engage the front drive on any polaris, the front wheels still dont
>pull unless the machine senses rear wheel slippage. this is basically
>accomplished through using slightly different gear ratios (18% difference)
>front and rear with cams that dont engage so long as the front wheels are
>spinning as fast as the rear wheels. if the back tires slip almost 1/5 of a
>turn more than the front then the front cams lock in and the front wheels
>pull. as soon as there is no more rear wheel slippage the front cams
>disengage leaving you with 2 wheel drive again. while this does make
>steering a little easier, it takes away your ability to power steer on slick
>surfaces when youre moving at speed. with this system there is no 4 wheel
>engine braking either, its rear wheel only.
Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
true Locked 4x4. When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving and
not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
>> But isn't Polaris a push button deal where it's a sort of LSD 4x4?
>
>no, when the polaris locks in all 4 wheels pull. my problem with it is that
>it doesnt lock in when you tell it to. for some this isnt an issue. for
>me, when i lock it in front drive, i want the front wheels pulling right
>_then_. again, in all fairness it serves many well and they swear by the
>system. it just isnt the system for me.
So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
requires slippage in order to activate.
>> Well wasn't the original idea behind the HumVee that if it was wide
>> enough soldiers wouldn't roll them like they did the *****'s style
>> Jeep?
>
>yup. the same principle applies here.
Just try and fit one down a tight trail tho.
That's why you have the US Army Engineers. They come in and build a
road for you to drive down. :)
>> I don't see why anyone would want a 6x6 unless they were using
>> it on a farm
>
>cool points. :-) its also great for serious mudding. another advantage is
>that it has the longer wheel base for going up steep hills (rear wheels) but
>it also has a short wheel base for topping the hills (middle wheels) giving
>it an awesome breakover angle.
Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
It'd be interesting to see the mags do a side by side "Side By Side"
Comparo.
6 wheels in Mud, but if you get stuck who will pull you out? :)
>> But 150HP for a side by side sled.
>> That has got to have some serious speed on the straights!
>
>yeah.....thats pretty insane!
Very much so! but hey if the grandparenst wantto blow by the kids
doing 120mph in their $18,000 side by side. Why the heck not! :)
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>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:667fpv8u8n2kkecktd85di46i558trb9m9@4ax.com.. .
>> >agreed. the biggest factor in my decision was that i dont like the
>polaris
>> >front drive system. many swear by it and think its great and i know its
>> >effective, i just dont like it.
>>
>> Why what is different about it?
>
>when you engage the front drive on any polaris, the front wheels still dont
>pull unless the machine senses rear wheel slippage. this is basically
>accomplished through using slightly different gear ratios (18% difference)
>front and rear with cams that dont engage so long as the front wheels are
>spinning as fast as the rear wheels. if the back tires slip almost 1/5 of a
>turn more than the front then the front cams lock in and the front wheels
>pull. as soon as there is no more rear wheel slippage the front cams
>disengage leaving you with 2 wheel drive again. while this does make
>steering a little easier, it takes away your ability to power steer on slick
>surfaces when youre moving at speed. with this system there is no 4 wheel
>engine braking either, its rear wheel only.
Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
true Locked 4x4. When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving and
not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
>> But isn't Polaris a push button deal where it's a sort of LSD 4x4?
>
>no, when the polaris locks in all 4 wheels pull. my problem with it is that
>it doesnt lock in when you tell it to. for some this isnt an issue. for
>me, when i lock it in front drive, i want the front wheels pulling right
>_then_. again, in all fairness it serves many well and they swear by the
>system. it just isnt the system for me.
So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
requires slippage in order to activate.
>> Well wasn't the original idea behind the HumVee that if it was wide
>> enough soldiers wouldn't roll them like they did the *****'s style
>> Jeep?
>
>yup. the same principle applies here.
Just try and fit one down a tight trail tho.
That's why you have the US Army Engineers. They come in and build a
road for you to drive down. :)
>> I don't see why anyone would want a 6x6 unless they were using
>> it on a farm
>
>cool points. :-) its also great for serious mudding. another advantage is
>that it has the longer wheel base for going up steep hills (rear wheels) but
>it also has a short wheel base for topping the hills (middle wheels) giving
>it an awesome breakover angle.
Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
It'd be interesting to see the mags do a side by side "Side By Side"
Comparo.
6 wheels in Mud, but if you get stuck who will pull you out? :)
>> But 150HP for a side by side sled.
>> That has got to have some serious speed on the straights!
>
>yeah.....thats pretty insane!
Very much so! but hey if the grandparenst wantto blow by the kids
doing 120mph in their $18,000 side by side. Why the heck not! :)
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Re: Argo and other 6-8 wheeled ATV capabilities was Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:03:43 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:667fpv8u8n2kkecktd85di46i558trb9m9@4ax.com.. .
>> >agreed. the biggest factor in my decision was that i dont like the
>polaris
>> >front drive system. many swear by it and think its great and i know its
>> >effective, i just dont like it.
>>
>> Why what is different about it?
>
>when you engage the front drive on any polaris, the front wheels still dont
>pull unless the machine senses rear wheel slippage. this is basically
>accomplished through using slightly different gear ratios (18% difference)
>front and rear with cams that dont engage so long as the front wheels are
>spinning as fast as the rear wheels. if the back tires slip almost 1/5 of a
>turn more than the front then the front cams lock in and the front wheels
>pull. as soon as there is no more rear wheel slippage the front cams
>disengage leaving you with 2 wheel drive again. while this does make
>steering a little easier, it takes away your ability to power steer on slick
>surfaces when youre moving at speed. with this system there is no 4 wheel
>engine braking either, its rear wheel only.
Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
true Locked 4x4. When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving and
not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
>> But isn't Polaris a push button deal where it's a sort of LSD 4x4?
>
>no, when the polaris locks in all 4 wheels pull. my problem with it is that
>it doesnt lock in when you tell it to. for some this isnt an issue. for
>me, when i lock it in front drive, i want the front wheels pulling right
>_then_. again, in all fairness it serves many well and they swear by the
>system. it just isnt the system for me.
So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
requires slippage in order to activate.
>> Well wasn't the original idea behind the HumVee that if it was wide
>> enough soldiers wouldn't roll them like they did the *****'s style
>> Jeep?
>
>yup. the same principle applies here.
Just try and fit one down a tight trail tho.
That's why you have the US Army Engineers. They come in and build a
road for you to drive down. :)
>> I don't see why anyone would want a 6x6 unless they were using
>> it on a farm
>
>cool points. :-) its also great for serious mudding. another advantage is
>that it has the longer wheel base for going up steep hills (rear wheels) but
>it also has a short wheel base for topping the hills (middle wheels) giving
>it an awesome breakover angle.
Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
It'd be interesting to see the mags do a side by side "Side By Side"
Comparo.
6 wheels in Mud, but if you get stuck who will pull you out? :)
>> But 150HP for a side by side sled.
>> That has got to have some serious speed on the straights!
>
>yeah.....thats pretty insane!
Very much so! but hey if the grandparenst wantto blow by the kids
doing 120mph in their $18,000 side by side. Why the heck not! :)
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:667fpv8u8n2kkecktd85di46i558trb9m9@4ax.com.. .
>> >agreed. the biggest factor in my decision was that i dont like the
>polaris
>> >front drive system. many swear by it and think its great and i know its
>> >effective, i just dont like it.
>>
>> Why what is different about it?
>
>when you engage the front drive on any polaris, the front wheels still dont
>pull unless the machine senses rear wheel slippage. this is basically
>accomplished through using slightly different gear ratios (18% difference)
>front and rear with cams that dont engage so long as the front wheels are
>spinning as fast as the rear wheels. if the back tires slip almost 1/5 of a
>turn more than the front then the front cams lock in and the front wheels
>pull. as soon as there is no more rear wheel slippage the front cams
>disengage leaving you with 2 wheel drive again. while this does make
>steering a little easier, it takes away your ability to power steer on slick
>surfaces when youre moving at speed. with this system there is no 4 wheel
>engine braking either, its rear wheel only.
Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
true Locked 4x4. When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving and
not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
>> But isn't Polaris a push button deal where it's a sort of LSD 4x4?
>
>no, when the polaris locks in all 4 wheels pull. my problem with it is that
>it doesnt lock in when you tell it to. for some this isnt an issue. for
>me, when i lock it in front drive, i want the front wheels pulling right
>_then_. again, in all fairness it serves many well and they swear by the
>system. it just isnt the system for me.
So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
requires slippage in order to activate.
>> Well wasn't the original idea behind the HumVee that if it was wide
>> enough soldiers wouldn't roll them like they did the *****'s style
>> Jeep?
>
>yup. the same principle applies here.
Just try and fit one down a tight trail tho.
That's why you have the US Army Engineers. They come in and build a
road for you to drive down. :)
>> I don't see why anyone would want a 6x6 unless they were using
>> it on a farm
>
>cool points. :-) its also great for serious mudding. another advantage is
>that it has the longer wheel base for going up steep hills (rear wheels) but
>it also has a short wheel base for topping the hills (middle wheels) giving
>it an awesome breakover angle.
Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
It'd be interesting to see the mags do a side by side "Side By Side"
Comparo.
6 wheels in Mud, but if you get stuck who will pull you out? :)
>> But 150HP for a side by side sled.
>> That has got to have some serious speed on the straights!
>
>yeah.....thats pretty insane!
Very much so! but hey if the grandparenst wantto blow by the kids
doing 120mph in their $18,000 side by side. Why the heck not! :)
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Re: Argo and other 6-8 wheeled ATV capabilities was Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:03:43 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:667fpv8u8n2kkecktd85di46i558trb9m9@4ax.com.. .
>> >agreed. the biggest factor in my decision was that i dont like the
>polaris
>> >front drive system. many swear by it and think its great and i know its
>> >effective, i just dont like it.
>>
>> Why what is different about it?
>
>when you engage the front drive on any polaris, the front wheels still dont
>pull unless the machine senses rear wheel slippage. this is basically
>accomplished through using slightly different gear ratios (18% difference)
>front and rear with cams that dont engage so long as the front wheels are
>spinning as fast as the rear wheels. if the back tires slip almost 1/5 of a
>turn more than the front then the front cams lock in and the front wheels
>pull. as soon as there is no more rear wheel slippage the front cams
>disengage leaving you with 2 wheel drive again. while this does make
>steering a little easier, it takes away your ability to power steer on slick
>surfaces when youre moving at speed. with this system there is no 4 wheel
>engine braking either, its rear wheel only.
Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
true Locked 4x4. When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving and
not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
>> But isn't Polaris a push button deal where it's a sort of LSD 4x4?
>
>no, when the polaris locks in all 4 wheels pull. my problem with it is that
>it doesnt lock in when you tell it to. for some this isnt an issue. for
>me, when i lock it in front drive, i want the front wheels pulling right
>_then_. again, in all fairness it serves many well and they swear by the
>system. it just isnt the system for me.
So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
requires slippage in order to activate.
>> Well wasn't the original idea behind the HumVee that if it was wide
>> enough soldiers wouldn't roll them like they did the *****'s style
>> Jeep?
>
>yup. the same principle applies here.
Just try and fit one down a tight trail tho.
That's why you have the US Army Engineers. They come in and build a
road for you to drive down. :)
>> I don't see why anyone would want a 6x6 unless they were using
>> it on a farm
>
>cool points. :-) its also great for serious mudding. another advantage is
>that it has the longer wheel base for going up steep hills (rear wheels) but
>it also has a short wheel base for topping the hills (middle wheels) giving
>it an awesome breakover angle.
Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
It'd be interesting to see the mags do a side by side "Side By Side"
Comparo.
6 wheels in Mud, but if you get stuck who will pull you out? :)
>> But 150HP for a side by side sled.
>> That has got to have some serious speed on the straights!
>
>yeah.....thats pretty insane!
Very much so! but hey if the grandparenst wantto blow by the kids
doing 120mph in their $18,000 side by side. Why the heck not! :)
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:667fpv8u8n2kkecktd85di46i558trb9m9@4ax.com.. .
>> >agreed. the biggest factor in my decision was that i dont like the
>polaris
>> >front drive system. many swear by it and think its great and i know its
>> >effective, i just dont like it.
>>
>> Why what is different about it?
>
>when you engage the front drive on any polaris, the front wheels still dont
>pull unless the machine senses rear wheel slippage. this is basically
>accomplished through using slightly different gear ratios (18% difference)
>front and rear with cams that dont engage so long as the front wheels are
>spinning as fast as the rear wheels. if the back tires slip almost 1/5 of a
>turn more than the front then the front cams lock in and the front wheels
>pull. as soon as there is no more rear wheel slippage the front cams
>disengage leaving you with 2 wheel drive again. while this does make
>steering a little easier, it takes away your ability to power steer on slick
>surfaces when youre moving at speed. with this system there is no 4 wheel
>engine braking either, its rear wheel only.
Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
true Locked 4x4. When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving and
not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
>> But isn't Polaris a push button deal where it's a sort of LSD 4x4?
>
>no, when the polaris locks in all 4 wheels pull. my problem with it is that
>it doesnt lock in when you tell it to. for some this isnt an issue. for
>me, when i lock it in front drive, i want the front wheels pulling right
>_then_. again, in all fairness it serves many well and they swear by the
>system. it just isnt the system for me.
So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
requires slippage in order to activate.
>> Well wasn't the original idea behind the HumVee that if it was wide
>> enough soldiers wouldn't roll them like they did the *****'s style
>> Jeep?
>
>yup. the same principle applies here.
Just try and fit one down a tight trail tho.
That's why you have the US Army Engineers. They come in and build a
road for you to drive down. :)
>> I don't see why anyone would want a 6x6 unless they were using
>> it on a farm
>
>cool points. :-) its also great for serious mudding. another advantage is
>that it has the longer wheel base for going up steep hills (rear wheels) but
>it also has a short wheel base for topping the hills (middle wheels) giving
>it an awesome breakover angle.
Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
It'd be interesting to see the mags do a side by side "Side By Side"
Comparo.
6 wheels in Mud, but if you get stuck who will pull you out? :)
>> But 150HP for a side by side sled.
>> That has got to have some serious speed on the straights!
>
>yeah.....thats pretty insane!
Very much so! but hey if the grandparenst wantto blow by the kids
doing 120mph in their $18,000 side by side. Why the heck not! :)
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Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
Scooby Don't wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:14:48 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3n7fpvgocumuasg53qg7tb5ltug8emub1g@4ax.com.. .
> >> My car is rated to tow 1,000 pounds according
> >> to the dealer.
> >
> >the ratings are typically conservative ratings with the idiot factor being
> >factored in. with a little sense, you can safely tow a good bit above the
> >rating. i think the 6x6 comes in around 1500 pounds and that plus the
> >trailer weight would probably be pushing it. a 1049lb machine being towed
> >on a 200lb trailer (mine is grossly over-built which you can see in the
> >pictures) should be no problem.
>
> The cops heer just love to stop people with trailers. Even more if
> it's a car pulling it. Thewy have these inflatable pillows they have
> you drive on and it weighs the trailer. The fines are very high for
> being overweight. I don't know how high but enough that I don't want
> to deal with it. I think a Jeep is rated to pull 1500 lbs.
> My car is rated to pull 1000 lbs. 500 over even at $10 per pound over
> and you are broke fast.
> I'll have to verify everything with the dealer once I make up my mind.
> I might even check out the 6x6 Rangers if they handle mud so well.
Your Jeep likely has the standard 2000 lb limit.
The CJ's, YJ's and TJ's are 2K.
The Cherokee auto can pull 5000, the 5 speed only the 2000 limit.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:14:48 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3n7fpvgocumuasg53qg7tb5ltug8emub1g@4ax.com.. .
> >> My car is rated to tow 1,000 pounds according
> >> to the dealer.
> >
> >the ratings are typically conservative ratings with the idiot factor being
> >factored in. with a little sense, you can safely tow a good bit above the
> >rating. i think the 6x6 comes in around 1500 pounds and that plus the
> >trailer weight would probably be pushing it. a 1049lb machine being towed
> >on a 200lb trailer (mine is grossly over-built which you can see in the
> >pictures) should be no problem.
>
> The cops heer just love to stop people with trailers. Even more if
> it's a car pulling it. Thewy have these inflatable pillows they have
> you drive on and it weighs the trailer. The fines are very high for
> being overweight. I don't know how high but enough that I don't want
> to deal with it. I think a Jeep is rated to pull 1500 lbs.
> My car is rated to pull 1000 lbs. 500 over even at $10 per pound over
> and you are broke fast.
> I'll have to verify everything with the dealer once I make up my mind.
> I might even check out the 6x6 Rangers if they handle mud so well.
Your Jeep likely has the standard 2000 lb limit.
The CJ's, YJ's and TJ's are 2K.
The Cherokee auto can pull 5000, the 5 speed only the 2000 limit.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
Scooby Don't wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:14:48 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3n7fpvgocumuasg53qg7tb5ltug8emub1g@4ax.com.. .
> >> My car is rated to tow 1,000 pounds according
> >> to the dealer.
> >
> >the ratings are typically conservative ratings with the idiot factor being
> >factored in. with a little sense, you can safely tow a good bit above the
> >rating. i think the 6x6 comes in around 1500 pounds and that plus the
> >trailer weight would probably be pushing it. a 1049lb machine being towed
> >on a 200lb trailer (mine is grossly over-built which you can see in the
> >pictures) should be no problem.
>
> The cops heer just love to stop people with trailers. Even more if
> it's a car pulling it. Thewy have these inflatable pillows they have
> you drive on and it weighs the trailer. The fines are very high for
> being overweight. I don't know how high but enough that I don't want
> to deal with it. I think a Jeep is rated to pull 1500 lbs.
> My car is rated to pull 1000 lbs. 500 over even at $10 per pound over
> and you are broke fast.
> I'll have to verify everything with the dealer once I make up my mind.
> I might even check out the 6x6 Rangers if they handle mud so well.
Your Jeep likely has the standard 2000 lb limit.
The CJ's, YJ's and TJ's are 2K.
The Cherokee auto can pull 5000, the 5 speed only the 2000 limit.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:14:48 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3n7fpvgocumuasg53qg7tb5ltug8emub1g@4ax.com.. .
> >> My car is rated to tow 1,000 pounds according
> >> to the dealer.
> >
> >the ratings are typically conservative ratings with the idiot factor being
> >factored in. with a little sense, you can safely tow a good bit above the
> >rating. i think the 6x6 comes in around 1500 pounds and that plus the
> >trailer weight would probably be pushing it. a 1049lb machine being towed
> >on a 200lb trailer (mine is grossly over-built which you can see in the
> >pictures) should be no problem.
>
> The cops heer just love to stop people with trailers. Even more if
> it's a car pulling it. Thewy have these inflatable pillows they have
> you drive on and it weighs the trailer. The fines are very high for
> being overweight. I don't know how high but enough that I don't want
> to deal with it. I think a Jeep is rated to pull 1500 lbs.
> My car is rated to pull 1000 lbs. 500 over even at $10 per pound over
> and you are broke fast.
> I'll have to verify everything with the dealer once I make up my mind.
> I might even check out the 6x6 Rangers if they handle mud so well.
Your Jeep likely has the standard 2000 lb limit.
The CJ's, YJ's and TJ's are 2K.
The Cherokee auto can pull 5000, the 5 speed only the 2000 limit.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
Scooby Don't wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:14:48 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3n7fpvgocumuasg53qg7tb5ltug8emub1g@4ax.com.. .
> >> My car is rated to tow 1,000 pounds according
> >> to the dealer.
> >
> >the ratings are typically conservative ratings with the idiot factor being
> >factored in. with a little sense, you can safely tow a good bit above the
> >rating. i think the 6x6 comes in around 1500 pounds and that plus the
> >trailer weight would probably be pushing it. a 1049lb machine being towed
> >on a 200lb trailer (mine is grossly over-built which you can see in the
> >pictures) should be no problem.
>
> The cops heer just love to stop people with trailers. Even more if
> it's a car pulling it. Thewy have these inflatable pillows they have
> you drive on and it weighs the trailer. The fines are very high for
> being overweight. I don't know how high but enough that I don't want
> to deal with it. I think a Jeep is rated to pull 1500 lbs.
> My car is rated to pull 1000 lbs. 500 over even at $10 per pound over
> and you are broke fast.
> I'll have to verify everything with the dealer once I make up my mind.
> I might even check out the 6x6 Rangers if they handle mud so well.
Your Jeep likely has the standard 2000 lb limit.
The CJ's, YJ's and TJ's are 2K.
The Cherokee auto can pull 5000, the 5 speed only the 2000 limit.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:14:48 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
> <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
> >"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:3n7fpvgocumuasg53qg7tb5ltug8emub1g@4ax.com.. .
> >> My car is rated to tow 1,000 pounds according
> >> to the dealer.
> >
> >the ratings are typically conservative ratings with the idiot factor being
> >factored in. with a little sense, you can safely tow a good bit above the
> >rating. i think the 6x6 comes in around 1500 pounds and that plus the
> >trailer weight would probably be pushing it. a 1049lb machine being towed
> >on a 200lb trailer (mine is grossly over-built which you can see in the
> >pictures) should be no problem.
>
> The cops heer just love to stop people with trailers. Even more if
> it's a car pulling it. Thewy have these inflatable pillows they have
> you drive on and it weighs the trailer. The fines are very high for
> being overweight. I don't know how high but enough that I don't want
> to deal with it. I think a Jeep is rated to pull 1500 lbs.
> My car is rated to pull 1000 lbs. 500 over even at $10 per pound over
> and you are broke fast.
> I'll have to verify everything with the dealer once I make up my mind.
> I might even check out the 6x6 Rangers if they handle mud so well.
Your Jeep likely has the standard 2000 lb limit.
The CJ's, YJ's and TJ's are 2K.
The Cherokee auto can pull 5000, the 5 speed only the 2000 limit.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Argo and other 6-8 wheeled ATV capabilities was Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
> true Locked 4x4.
no, there is no limited slip on it. when the cams lock it fully locks both
wheels. the differentiation is between front and rear, not side to side.
> When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving
when locked, all 4 wheels are pulling.
> and
> not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
in all fairness, it happens so fast (only 1/5th of a single revolution) that
youd never know it wasnt in 4x4. the only time the system sucks is if youre
already moving at speed (front is turning same as rear) so you cant power
around slick corners and coming down steep grades. for a more precise
explanation, see http://7slotgrille.com/polaris.jpg
> How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
> easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
thanks to the steering wheel instead of a handlebar, gear reduction makes
steering very light.....even with the front locker locked.
> So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
> requires slippage in order to activate.
well....limited slip typically refers to side to side differentiation. the
polaris differentiation is front to rear and mechanically its nothing like a
typical limited slip system. again, we're only talking 1/5th wheel rotation
so it happens so fast that its not an issue except in the situations listed
above. for some that isnt an issue at all. for me i wouldnt own one unless
i had to in order to fill my needs (as i said i was gonna buy a ranger 6-9
months ago until i learned about the rhino coming out so i waited on it).
> Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
depends really. the rhino has more power, more clearance, more suspension
travel.....if youre talking rocks in most cases the rhino should outperform
it. in mud i give the edge to the ranger simply because it has 6 wheels
pulling instead of 4. if youre comparing a 4x4 ranger to a rhino, my money
goes on the rhino across the board.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:an8gpv0c91hes2beiggftp0ph6r9bcahqs@4ax.com...
> Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
> true Locked 4x4.
no, there is no limited slip on it. when the cams lock it fully locks both
wheels. the differentiation is between front and rear, not side to side.
> When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving
when locked, all 4 wheels are pulling.
> and
> not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
in all fairness, it happens so fast (only 1/5th of a single revolution) that
youd never know it wasnt in 4x4. the only time the system sucks is if youre
already moving at speed (front is turning same as rear) so you cant power
around slick corners and coming down steep grades. for a more precise
explanation, see http://7slotgrille.com/polaris.jpg
> How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
> easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
thanks to the steering wheel instead of a handlebar, gear reduction makes
steering very light.....even with the front locker locked.
> So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
> requires slippage in order to activate.
well....limited slip typically refers to side to side differentiation. the
polaris differentiation is front to rear and mechanically its nothing like a
typical limited slip system. again, we're only talking 1/5th wheel rotation
so it happens so fast that its not an issue except in the situations listed
above. for some that isnt an issue at all. for me i wouldnt own one unless
i had to in order to fill my needs (as i said i was gonna buy a ranger 6-9
months ago until i learned about the rhino coming out so i waited on it).
> Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
depends really. the rhino has more power, more clearance, more suspension
travel.....if youre talking rocks in most cases the rhino should outperform
it. in mud i give the edge to the ranger simply because it has 6 wheels
pulling instead of 4. if youre comparing a 4x4 ranger to a rhino, my money
goes on the rhino across the board.
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Re: Argo and other 6-8 wheeled ATV capabilities was Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
> true Locked 4x4.
no, there is no limited slip on it. when the cams lock it fully locks both
wheels. the differentiation is between front and rear, not side to side.
> When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving
when locked, all 4 wheels are pulling.
> and
> not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
in all fairness, it happens so fast (only 1/5th of a single revolution) that
youd never know it wasnt in 4x4. the only time the system sucks is if youre
already moving at speed (front is turning same as rear) so you cant power
around slick corners and coming down steep grades. for a more precise
explanation, see http://7slotgrille.com/polaris.jpg
> How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
> easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
thanks to the steering wheel instead of a handlebar, gear reduction makes
steering very light.....even with the front locker locked.
> So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
> requires slippage in order to activate.
well....limited slip typically refers to side to side differentiation. the
polaris differentiation is front to rear and mechanically its nothing like a
typical limited slip system. again, we're only talking 1/5th wheel rotation
so it happens so fast that its not an issue except in the situations listed
above. for some that isnt an issue at all. for me i wouldnt own one unless
i had to in order to fill my needs (as i said i was gonna buy a ranger 6-9
months ago until i learned about the rhino coming out so i waited on it).
> Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
depends really. the rhino has more power, more clearance, more suspension
travel.....if youre talking rocks in most cases the rhino should outperform
it. in mud i give the edge to the ranger simply because it has 6 wheels
pulling instead of 4. if youre comparing a 4x4 ranger to a rhino, my money
goes on the rhino across the board.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:an8gpv0c91hes2beiggftp0ph6r9bcahqs@4ax.com...
> Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
> true Locked 4x4.
no, there is no limited slip on it. when the cams lock it fully locks both
wheels. the differentiation is between front and rear, not side to side.
> When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving
when locked, all 4 wheels are pulling.
> and
> not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
in all fairness, it happens so fast (only 1/5th of a single revolution) that
youd never know it wasnt in 4x4. the only time the system sucks is if youre
already moving at speed (front is turning same as rear) so you cant power
around slick corners and coming down steep grades. for a more precise
explanation, see http://7slotgrille.com/polaris.jpg
> How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
> easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
thanks to the steering wheel instead of a handlebar, gear reduction makes
steering very light.....even with the front locker locked.
> So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
> requires slippage in order to activate.
well....limited slip typically refers to side to side differentiation. the
polaris differentiation is front to rear and mechanically its nothing like a
typical limited slip system. again, we're only talking 1/5th wheel rotation
so it happens so fast that its not an issue except in the situations listed
above. for some that isnt an issue at all. for me i wouldnt own one unless
i had to in order to fill my needs (as i said i was gonna buy a ranger 6-9
months ago until i learned about the rhino coming out so i waited on it).
> Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
depends really. the rhino has more power, more clearance, more suspension
travel.....if youre talking rocks in most cases the rhino should outperform
it. in mud i give the edge to the ranger simply because it has 6 wheels
pulling instead of 4. if youre comparing a 4x4 ranger to a rhino, my money
goes on the rhino across the board.
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Re: Argo and other 6-8 wheeled ATV capabilities was Re: OT wifey amazes me AGAIN
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
> true Locked 4x4.
no, there is no limited slip on it. when the cams lock it fully locks both
wheels. the differentiation is between front and rear, not side to side.
> When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving
when locked, all 4 wheels are pulling.
> and
> not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
in all fairness, it happens so fast (only 1/5th of a single revolution) that
youd never know it wasnt in 4x4. the only time the system sucks is if youre
already moving at speed (front is turning same as rear) so you cant power
around slick corners and coming down steep grades. for a more precise
explanation, see http://7slotgrille.com/polaris.jpg
> How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
> easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
thanks to the steering wheel instead of a handlebar, gear reduction makes
steering very light.....even with the front locker locked.
> So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
> requires slippage in order to activate.
well....limited slip typically refers to side to side differentiation. the
polaris differentiation is front to rear and mechanically its nothing like a
typical limited slip system. again, we're only talking 1/5th wheel rotation
so it happens so fast that its not an issue except in the situations listed
above. for some that isnt an issue at all. for me i wouldnt own one unless
i had to in order to fill my needs (as i said i was gonna buy a ranger 6-9
months ago until i learned about the rhino coming out so i waited on it).
> Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
depends really. the rhino has more power, more clearance, more suspension
travel.....if youre talking rocks in most cases the rhino should outperform
it. in mud i give the edge to the ranger simply because it has 6 wheels
pulling instead of 4. if youre comparing a 4x4 ranger to a rhino, my money
goes on the rhino across the board.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:an8gpv0c91hes2beiggftp0ph6r9bcahqs@4ax.com...
> Nathan it sure sounds like it's a Front Limited Slip to me and not a
> true Locked 4x4.
no, there is no limited slip on it. when the cams lock it fully locks both
wheels. the differentiation is between front and rear, not side to side.
> When fully locked all 4 wheels should be moving
when locked, all 4 wheels are pulling.
> and
> not just 2 then slip in the front then 4 wheels pulling.
in all fairness, it happens so fast (only 1/5th of a single revolution) that
youd never know it wasnt in 4x4. the only time the system sucks is if youre
already moving at speed (front is turning same as rear) so you cant power
around slick corners and coming down steep grades. for a more precise
explanation, see http://7slotgrille.com/polaris.jpg
> How does the Rhino steer with all 4 wheels locked? I bet it's a bit
> easier to steer with them locked up, versus a Quad.
thanks to the steering wheel instead of a handlebar, gear reduction makes
steering very light.....even with the front locker locked.
> So essentially it is a Limited Slip system even if it works well it
> requires slippage in order to activate.
well....limited slip typically refers to side to side differentiation. the
polaris differentiation is front to rear and mechanically its nothing like a
typical limited slip system. again, we're only talking 1/5th wheel rotation
so it happens so fast that its not an issue except in the situations listed
above. for some that isnt an issue at all. for me i wouldnt own one unless
i had to in order to fill my needs (as i said i was gonna buy a ranger 6-9
months ago until i learned about the rhino coming out so i waited on it).
> Still it looks like the Rhino will outperform it.
depends really. the rhino has more power, more clearance, more suspension
travel.....if youre talking rocks in most cases the rhino should outperform
it. in mud i give the edge to the ranger simply because it has 6 wheels
pulling instead of 4. if youre comparing a 4x4 ranger to a rhino, my money
goes on the rhino across the board.
--
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Re: Argo and other 6-8 wheeled ATV capabilities was Re: OT wifeyamazes me AGAIN
Scooby Don't wrote:
> I suppose the outboard would be a big help on large ponds but where
> would you stow it afterwards? a 9.9 HP is not all that small and would
> require a 5 gallon gas tank as well.
> Probably if you were riding solo or got the 4 seater 8 wheel model you
> could toss it in the back.
It's got a outboard motor mount just lift it :-)
I use an electric motor to cross the lake, works perfect.
>
>>>Well what I really meant was it does not look like it has a lot of
>>>articulation in the wheels to go up and over some of the rougher
>>>stuff.
>>
>>Look closely it's got a extra wheel "in the middle" :-)
>>unlike a Quad or Jeep
>
>
> I meant the kind of Rocks that Nathan regulary rides which he has some
> pics of where he takes his Quad. I don't think I could handle terrain
> that's that severe but his Quad will do it.
>
>
>>>To me it basically looks like a variant of the M29 weasel which was
>>>also amphibious but the Weasel had a problem in that while it could
>>>chew through stuff that would kill a jeep it has metal tracks and was
>>>a pain to drive with a 3 spd manual studebaker tranny.
>>>I'd love to seea video of you putting it through it's paces. I won't
>>>ever be able to ride a Quad agaid so the Rhino is looking mighty good
>>>and I'll be interested to see what Nathan says about it's
>>>capabilities.
>>>The Argo's can only go 24 mph or so. I guess there is another company
>>>out there that makes a similar ATV to the Argo but it has up to 8
>>>driving wheels and is amphibious.
>>
>>Argos also make an 8 wheeler. There is another company that makes
>>a machine similar "Max" I believe is the name of it.
>
>
> I've seen the pics of the 8x8's and the T-Max or whatever it's called.
> They look kinda fun to play with but I would want more speed.
> The M29 would cost you about $10K for a decent one and it's not in the
> same league as anything else. You'd need a decent Full sized pickup to
> tow it. unlike the Argo or any Quad. The M29 weighs like 3,000 lbs.!!
> Still I'd like like to bomb around in an argo for a day.
>
>
>>Tracks are only needed for floatation on the snow. The 6x6 drive
>>has a LOT of traction.
>
>
> Have you see what the Rhino can climb tho? I guess when it comes time
> for me to buy one I'll try them all out and see which one I like the
> best. I'd just grab an M29 if I had a local mechanic who could work on
> Studebaker engines.
If you ever make it around here I'll gladly take ya for a spin.
All it took was one test drive at the dealer to sell me.
Like I said somewhere I was looking to buy a Quad
He did have one heck of a testing ground though.
>
>>>Quads are fast and it would be nice if they could double the speed on
>>
>>I wouldn't recommend making it faster. I think it's too fast in the bush
>>already
>
>
> Why is it unstable at higher speeds?
No but in the bush you just can't go that fast, in anything. On a trail,
well that's a different story
>
>>>Is teh only reason the Quad can't make it up to you camp is because of
>>>deep standing water?
>>
>>No No cars can make it to the camp. But getting to the field were the
>>deer dropped That's where it truly shines. My hunting buddy's love
>>the machine as they never have to drag deer out of the bush again.
>
>
> Well you said Quads couldn't make it to the camp. The only reason
> would be if you needed to float over small ponds to get there.
> I've seen Quads around here dragging out deer. They seed teh area with
> apples from the orchard then when hunting season comes they get into a
> good position and wait with the Quad waiting nearby.
No I said "at" the camp, We are lucky enough to have around 1000 acres
of rough bush land filled with swamps, small lakes, beaver ponds,
streams and ridges. And just only three hunters (to date).
>
>
>>Understood, this machine is unique and a lot of people can't visualize
>>what this machine can actually do (with the right operator of coarse)
>
>
> Well it has 6 wheels but it's Tub design also has some drawbacks.
> No ATV is perfect tho. The Argo looks like it would be tough to roll
> but I don't know how steep a hill it can tackle.
>
Argo says 30 degrees
>
>>Truthfully the argo (to me anyways) is a piece of hunting equipment
>>not a toy It sits in storage most of the year to be pulled out
>>at the start of small game season. Then after deer back in storage.
>>My Nephew use to bug me all the time to rip around in it (which I
>>kinda disliked) Whew thankfully his fricken Dad bought him a dirt bike.
>>Took a lot off pressure off the Argo.
>
>
> The Argo is quite expensive but I would want to use it more than a
> couple of months out of the year.
> I guess i prefer Toys. :)
Not really, priced about the same as any atv. One thing I really
like about it, is (here in Ontario Canada anyway) that it does not
need a license plate or insurance by law, no helmet also. I do have
liability and fire/theft on it just in case. but it's pretty cheap
compared to my Ski Doo for example. (Snowmobiling is going to be insured
out of existence eventually. A lot of insurance companies dropped sleds
all together)
>
>
>>My Ski Doo is my real toy
>
>
> I still don't know if I can handle the seating position for hours upon
> hours of riding. No way would I get an Elite even if I could afford
> it.
> I'll have to rent later on in the year. I've only seen Artic Cats for
> rent tho.
>
Too bad about Cats only. I haven't ridden one yet, but them new Ski Doo
Revs apparently are the greatest thing since.....well .....you know :-)
But that's a toy that's going to have to wait, my 99MXZ will have to do
for now Hey got 10,000km on it so far, Can't wait for snow :-)
