OT, Is there any sanity in....
08-12-2006, 09:45 PM
#51
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Minnesota had a testing program with stations run by independent
contractors. Small fee was added to your car tabs, test was mandatory
but "free" (already paid for). Later on, the state did an analysis of
the number of cars that passed and failed based on the age and the model
year. As the FI cars with O2 sensors and better computers took over, the
number of failures started getting smaller and smaller. Program was shut
down a few years back since the cost benefit didn't justify the expenses.
Keep in mind that Minnesota is the land of 10,000 salt truck so older
cars tend to just rust in the wind. We almost never see an orignal body
CJ (last model was 20 years ago) that is not just a total rust bucket.
XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>
contractors. Small fee was added to your car tabs, test was mandatory
but "free" (already paid for). Later on, the state did an analysis of
the number of cars that passed and failed based on the age and the model
year. As the FI cars with O2 sensors and better computers took over, the
number of failures started getting smaller and smaller. Program was shut
down a few years back since the cost benefit didn't justify the expenses.
Keep in mind that Minnesota is the land of 10,000 salt truck so older
cars tend to just rust in the wind. We almost never see an orignal body
CJ (last model was 20 years ago) that is not just a total rust bucket.
XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>
08-12-2006, 09:45 PM
#52
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Minnesota had a testing program with stations run by independent
contractors. Small fee was added to your car tabs, test was mandatory
but "free" (already paid for). Later on, the state did an analysis of
the number of cars that passed and failed based on the age and the model
year. As the FI cars with O2 sensors and better computers took over, the
number of failures started getting smaller and smaller. Program was shut
down a few years back since the cost benefit didn't justify the expenses.
Keep in mind that Minnesota is the land of 10,000 salt truck so older
cars tend to just rust in the wind. We almost never see an orignal body
CJ (last model was 20 years ago) that is not just a total rust bucket.
XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>
contractors. Small fee was added to your car tabs, test was mandatory
but "free" (already paid for). Later on, the state did an analysis of
the number of cars that passed and failed based on the age and the model
year. As the FI cars with O2 sensors and better computers took over, the
number of failures started getting smaller and smaller. Program was shut
down a few years back since the cost benefit didn't justify the expenses.
Keep in mind that Minnesota is the land of 10,000 salt truck so older
cars tend to just rust in the wind. We almost never see an orignal body
CJ (last model was 20 years ago) that is not just a total rust bucket.
XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>
08-12-2006, 09:45 PM
#53
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Minnesota had a testing program with stations run by independent
contractors. Small fee was added to your car tabs, test was mandatory
but "free" (already paid for). Later on, the state did an analysis of
the number of cars that passed and failed based on the age and the model
year. As the FI cars with O2 sensors and better computers took over, the
number of failures started getting smaller and smaller. Program was shut
down a few years back since the cost benefit didn't justify the expenses.
Keep in mind that Minnesota is the land of 10,000 salt truck so older
cars tend to just rust in the wind. We almost never see an orignal body
CJ (last model was 20 years ago) that is not just a total rust bucket.
XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>
contractors. Small fee was added to your car tabs, test was mandatory
but "free" (already paid for). Later on, the state did an analysis of
the number of cars that passed and failed based on the age and the model
year. As the FI cars with O2 sensors and better computers took over, the
number of failures started getting smaller and smaller. Program was shut
down a few years back since the cost benefit didn't justify the expenses.
Keep in mind that Minnesota is the land of 10,000 salt truck so older
cars tend to just rust in the wind. We almost never see an orignal body
CJ (last model was 20 years ago) that is not just a total rust bucket.
XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>
08-12-2006, 10:04 PM
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08-12-2006, 10:04 PM
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08-12-2006, 10:04 PM
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08-12-2006, 10:04 PM
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08-13-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:35 -0700 in
<Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30>, XS11E
<xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> graced the world with this thought:
>3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
>15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
>Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
>idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
>then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
>removed and replaced?
Probably about the same amount or somewhat less than goes into the air
while you're out cruising around for pleasure any given weekend. Try
and stay in the realm of reasonable excuses while whining.
<Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30>, XS11E
<xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> graced the world with this thought:
>3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
>15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
>Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
>idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
>then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
>removed and replaced?
Probably about the same amount or somewhat less than goes into the air
while you're out cruising around for pleasure any given weekend. Try
and stay in the realm of reasonable excuses while whining.
08-13-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:35 -0700 in
<Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30>, XS11E
<xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> graced the world with this thought:
>3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
>15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
>Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
>idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
>then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
>removed and replaced?
Probably about the same amount or somewhat less than goes into the air
while you're out cruising around for pleasure any given weekend. Try
and stay in the realm of reasonable excuses while whining.
<Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30>, XS11E
<xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> graced the world with this thought:
>3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
>15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
>Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
>idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
>then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
>removed and replaced?
Probably about the same amount or somewhat less than goes into the air
while you're out cruising around for pleasure any given weekend. Try
and stay in the realm of reasonable excuses while whining.
08-13-2006, 07:38 PM
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 17:13:35 -0700 in
<Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30>, XS11E
<xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> graced the world with this thought:
>3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
>15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
>Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
>idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
>then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
>removed and replaced?
Probably about the same amount or somewhat less than goes into the air
while you're out cruising around for pleasure any given weekend. Try
and stay in the realm of reasonable excuses while whining.
<Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30>, XS11E
<xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> graced the world with this thought:
>3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
>15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
>Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
>idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
>then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
>removed and replaced?
Probably about the same amount or somewhat less than goes into the air
while you're out cruising around for pleasure any given weekend. Try
and stay in the realm of reasonable excuses while whining.
