OT - Politically Correct --------
#101
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
Hey ----job. Did you know hispanics get affirmative action in the USA?
That's right ANY/ALL hispanics gets affirmative action. What does this mean?
That means that if you apply for a college/university or job and a hispanic
with similar qualifications applies for the job and you're not hispanic you
don't get the job or get into the university/college. ---- you.
--
there is no .sig
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english is
> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps me to
> decide where in the States to go.
>
> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> travel all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> english but the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago
> every single time I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are
> accepted all around the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is
> something for you to worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos"
> population.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fidelio
> from Spain (UE)
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> Spanish now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> billboards are in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
>> libraries no longer have the name libraries, they're now called
>> bibliotecas. Imagine public libraries that don't have signs calling them
>> libraries anymore. Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in
>> the USA? Too bad I don't get any affirmative action in any latino
>> countries...
>>
>> --
>> there is no .sig
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in jail/prison.
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes and
>>>> ending up in jail/prison?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>>>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>>>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>>>> .
>>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin given
>>>> > as
>>> a
>>>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>>>> > Wakefield
>>> as
>>>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief inspector
>>>> > for
>>>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>>>> >
>>>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
That's right ANY/ALL hispanics gets affirmative action. What does this mean?
That means that if you apply for a college/university or job and a hispanic
with similar qualifications applies for the job and you're not hispanic you
don't get the job or get into the university/college. ---- you.
--
there is no .sig
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english is
> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps me to
> decide where in the States to go.
>
> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> travel all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> english but the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago
> every single time I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are
> accepted all around the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is
> something for you to worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos"
> population.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fidelio
> from Spain (UE)
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> Spanish now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> billboards are in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
>> libraries no longer have the name libraries, they're now called
>> bibliotecas. Imagine public libraries that don't have signs calling them
>> libraries anymore. Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in
>> the USA? Too bad I don't get any affirmative action in any latino
>> countries...
>>
>> --
>> there is no .sig
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in jail/prison.
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes and
>>>> ending up in jail/prison?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>>>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>>>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>>>> .
>>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin given
>>>> > as
>>> a
>>>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>>>> > Wakefield
>>> as
>>>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief inspector
>>>> > for
>>>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>>>> >
>>>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
#102
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
Hey ----job. Did you know hispanics get affirmative action in the USA?
That's right ANY/ALL hispanics gets affirmative action. What does this mean?
That means that if you apply for a college/university or job and a hispanic
with similar qualifications applies for the job and you're not hispanic you
don't get the job or get into the university/college. ---- you.
--
there is no .sig
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english is
> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps me to
> decide where in the States to go.
>
> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> travel all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> english but the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago
> every single time I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are
> accepted all around the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is
> something for you to worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos"
> population.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fidelio
> from Spain (UE)
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> Spanish now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> billboards are in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
>> libraries no longer have the name libraries, they're now called
>> bibliotecas. Imagine public libraries that don't have signs calling them
>> libraries anymore. Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in
>> the USA? Too bad I don't get any affirmative action in any latino
>> countries...
>>
>> --
>> there is no .sig
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in jail/prison.
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes and
>>>> ending up in jail/prison?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>>>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>>>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>>>> .
>>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin given
>>>> > as
>>> a
>>>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>>>> > Wakefield
>>> as
>>>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief inspector
>>>> > for
>>>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>>>> >
>>>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
That's right ANY/ALL hispanics gets affirmative action. What does this mean?
That means that if you apply for a college/university or job and a hispanic
with similar qualifications applies for the job and you're not hispanic you
don't get the job or get into the university/college. ---- you.
--
there is no .sig
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english is
> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps me to
> decide where in the States to go.
>
> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> travel all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> english but the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago
> every single time I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are
> accepted all around the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is
> something for you to worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos"
> population.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fidelio
> from Spain (UE)
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> Spanish now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> billboards are in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
>> libraries no longer have the name libraries, they're now called
>> bibliotecas. Imagine public libraries that don't have signs calling them
>> libraries anymore. Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in
>> the USA? Too bad I don't get any affirmative action in any latino
>> countries...
>>
>> --
>> there is no .sig
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in jail/prison.
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes and
>>>> ending up in jail/prison?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>>>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>>>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>>>> .
>>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin given
>>>> > as
>>> a
>>>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>>>> > Wakefield
>>> as
>>>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief inspector
>>>> > for
>>>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>>>> >
>>>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
#103
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
Hey ----job. Did you know hispanics get affirmative action in the USA?
That's right ANY/ALL hispanics gets affirmative action. What does this mean?
That means that if you apply for a college/university or job and a hispanic
with similar qualifications applies for the job and you're not hispanic you
don't get the job or get into the university/college. ---- you.
--
there is no .sig
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english is
> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps me to
> decide where in the States to go.
>
> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> travel all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> english but the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago
> every single time I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are
> accepted all around the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is
> something for you to worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos"
> population.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fidelio
> from Spain (UE)
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> Spanish now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> billboards are in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
>> libraries no longer have the name libraries, they're now called
>> bibliotecas. Imagine public libraries that don't have signs calling them
>> libraries anymore. Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in
>> the USA? Too bad I don't get any affirmative action in any latino
>> countries...
>>
>> --
>> there is no .sig
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in jail/prison.
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes and
>>>> ending up in jail/prison?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>>>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>>>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>>>> .
>>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin given
>>>> > as
>>> a
>>>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>>>> > Wakefield
>>> as
>>>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief inspector
>>>> > for
>>>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>>>> >
>>>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
That's right ANY/ALL hispanics gets affirmative action. What does this mean?
That means that if you apply for a college/university or job and a hispanic
with similar qualifications applies for the job and you're not hispanic you
don't get the job or get into the university/college. ---- you.
--
there is no .sig
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english is
> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps me to
> decide where in the States to go.
>
> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> travel all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> english but the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago
> every single time I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are
> accepted all around the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is
> something for you to worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos"
> population.
>
> Best Regards,
> Fidelio
> from Spain (UE)
>
>
> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> Spanish now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> billboards are in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
>> libraries no longer have the name libraries, they're now called
>> bibliotecas. Imagine public libraries that don't have signs calling them
>> libraries anymore. Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in
>> the USA? Too bad I don't get any affirmative action in any latino
>> countries...
>>
>> --
>> there is no .sig
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in jail/prison.
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>>>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes and
>>>> ending up in jail/prison?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>>>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>>>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>>>> .
>>>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin given
>>>> > as
>>> a
>>>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>>>> > Wakefield
>>> as
>>>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief inspector
>>>> > for
>>>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>>>> >
>>>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>>>> >
>>>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
#104
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
I think the pictures were taken before and after marriage.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> But it is sadly true...
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> But it is sadly true...
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
#105
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
I think the pictures were taken before and after marriage.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> But it is sadly true...
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> But it is sadly true...
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
#106
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
I think the pictures were taken before and after marriage.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> But it is sadly true...
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> But it is sadly true...
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
#107
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
Hmmm Vitoria? Ask the "batasunos" to blow that McDonald... they know how to
do it.
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> ads
> in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la vida
> mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> If
> this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
>
> The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> those
> bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now. I
> am not pulling your leg.
>
> I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like the
> Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> Castillian version. I can understand both.
>
> I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> corner,
> en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> socialist
> health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will mean
> the end of your attractive but underfed women.
>
> Earle
>
> "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
>> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country in
> the
>> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation we
> are
>> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
>>
>> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
>> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> don't
>> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but for
> us
>> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> what
>> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
>> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
>> strange each other.
>>
>> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
>> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> you
>> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
>> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> expensive
>> that in the States.
>>
>> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi or
>> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> for
>> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
>> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States is
>> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
>> Europe have.
>>
>> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
>> from
>> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> year
>> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
>> dollars -
>> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst country
> in
>> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
>> salary
>> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> Finland
>> they pay as much as 65%.
>>
>> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket that
>> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has National
>> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
>> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And all
>> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
>> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you raise
> 65
>> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the english
>> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american salary
> and
>> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> facilities
>> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is not
>> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
>>
>> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate paying
>> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
>> think it over.
>>
>> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> solution.
>> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason to
>> take it into jail. ;-)
>>
>> Fidelio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
>> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
>> > valor",
>> > but
>> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
>> > There
>> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
>> > English
>> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
>> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they may
> be
>> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
>> > spoken.
>> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
>> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> form
>> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is the
>> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots of
>> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
>> >
>> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can buy
> a
>> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> Spain.
>> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
>> > dollars
>> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro may
> be
>> > over-valued.
>> >
>> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> more
>> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for his
>> > politics.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
>> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english
> is
>> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
>> >> me
>> >> to
>> >> decide where in the States to go.
>> >>
>> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
>> > travel
>> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
>> >> english
>> > but
>> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every single
>> > time
>> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
>> > around
>> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
>> >> you
>> >> to
>> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Fidelio
>> >> from Spain (UE)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> > Spanish
>> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> >> > billboards
>> > are
>> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where libraries
> no
>> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> Imagine
>> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> anymore.
>> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
>> >> > bad
> I
>> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > there is no .sig
>> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> jail/prison.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>> .
>> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin
>> > given
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>> > Wakefield
>> >> >> as
>> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
>> >> >>> > inspector
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
do it.
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> ads
> in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la vida
> mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> If
> this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
>
> The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> those
> bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now. I
> am not pulling your leg.
>
> I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like the
> Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> Castillian version. I can understand both.
>
> I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> corner,
> en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> socialist
> health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will mean
> the end of your attractive but underfed women.
>
> Earle
>
> "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
>> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country in
> the
>> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation we
> are
>> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
>>
>> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
>> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> don't
>> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but for
> us
>> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> what
>> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
>> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
>> strange each other.
>>
>> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
>> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> you
>> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
>> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> expensive
>> that in the States.
>>
>> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi or
>> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> for
>> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
>> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States is
>> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
>> Europe have.
>>
>> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
>> from
>> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> year
>> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
>> dollars -
>> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst country
> in
>> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
>> salary
>> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> Finland
>> they pay as much as 65%.
>>
>> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket that
>> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has National
>> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
>> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And all
>> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
>> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you raise
> 65
>> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the english
>> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american salary
> and
>> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> facilities
>> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is not
>> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
>>
>> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate paying
>> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
>> think it over.
>>
>> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> solution.
>> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason to
>> take it into jail. ;-)
>>
>> Fidelio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
>> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
>> > valor",
>> > but
>> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
>> > There
>> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
>> > English
>> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
>> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they may
> be
>> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
>> > spoken.
>> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
>> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> form
>> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is the
>> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots of
>> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
>> >
>> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can buy
> a
>> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> Spain.
>> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
>> > dollars
>> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro may
> be
>> > over-valued.
>> >
>> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> more
>> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for his
>> > politics.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
>> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english
> is
>> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
>> >> me
>> >> to
>> >> decide where in the States to go.
>> >>
>> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
>> > travel
>> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
>> >> english
>> > but
>> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every single
>> > time
>> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
>> > around
>> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
>> >> you
>> >> to
>> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Fidelio
>> >> from Spain (UE)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> > Spanish
>> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> >> > billboards
>> > are
>> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where libraries
> no
>> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> Imagine
>> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> anymore.
>> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
>> >> > bad
> I
>> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > there is no .sig
>> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> jail/prison.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>> .
>> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin
>> > given
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>> > Wakefield
>> >> >> as
>> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
>> >> >>> > inspector
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Guest
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
Hmmm Vitoria? Ask the "batasunos" to blow that McDonald... they know how to
do it.
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> ads
> in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la vida
> mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> If
> this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
>
> The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> those
> bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now. I
> am not pulling your leg.
>
> I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like the
> Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> Castillian version. I can understand both.
>
> I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> corner,
> en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> socialist
> health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will mean
> the end of your attractive but underfed women.
>
> Earle
>
> "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
>> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country in
> the
>> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation we
> are
>> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
>>
>> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
>> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> don't
>> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but for
> us
>> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> what
>> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
>> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
>> strange each other.
>>
>> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
>> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> you
>> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
>> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> expensive
>> that in the States.
>>
>> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi or
>> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> for
>> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
>> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States is
>> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
>> Europe have.
>>
>> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
>> from
>> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> year
>> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
>> dollars -
>> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst country
> in
>> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
>> salary
>> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> Finland
>> they pay as much as 65%.
>>
>> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket that
>> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has National
>> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
>> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And all
>> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
>> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you raise
> 65
>> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the english
>> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american salary
> and
>> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> facilities
>> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is not
>> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
>>
>> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate paying
>> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
>> think it over.
>>
>> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> solution.
>> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason to
>> take it into jail. ;-)
>>
>> Fidelio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
>> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
>> > valor",
>> > but
>> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
>> > There
>> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
>> > English
>> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
>> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they may
> be
>> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
>> > spoken.
>> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
>> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> form
>> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is the
>> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots of
>> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
>> >
>> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can buy
> a
>> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> Spain.
>> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
>> > dollars
>> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro may
> be
>> > over-valued.
>> >
>> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> more
>> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for his
>> > politics.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
>> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english
> is
>> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
>> >> me
>> >> to
>> >> decide where in the States to go.
>> >>
>> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
>> > travel
>> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
>> >> english
>> > but
>> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every single
>> > time
>> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
>> > around
>> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
>> >> you
>> >> to
>> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Fidelio
>> >> from Spain (UE)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> > Spanish
>> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> >> > billboards
>> > are
>> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where libraries
> no
>> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> Imagine
>> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> anymore.
>> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
>> >> > bad
> I
>> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > there is no .sig
>> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> jail/prison.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>> .
>> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin
>> > given
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>> > Wakefield
>> >> >> as
>> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
>> >> >>> > inspector
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
do it.
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> ads
> in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la vida
> mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> If
> this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
>
> The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> those
> bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now. I
> am not pulling your leg.
>
> I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like the
> Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> Castillian version. I can understand both.
>
> I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> corner,
> en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> socialist
> health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will mean
> the end of your attractive but underfed women.
>
> Earle
>
> "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
>> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country in
> the
>> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation we
> are
>> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
>>
>> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
>> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> don't
>> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but for
> us
>> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> what
>> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
>> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
>> strange each other.
>>
>> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
>> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> you
>> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
>> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> expensive
>> that in the States.
>>
>> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi or
>> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> for
>> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
>> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States is
>> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
>> Europe have.
>>
>> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
>> from
>> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> year
>> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
>> dollars -
>> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst country
> in
>> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
>> salary
>> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> Finland
>> they pay as much as 65%.
>>
>> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket that
>> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has National
>> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
>> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And all
>> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
>> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you raise
> 65
>> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the english
>> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american salary
> and
>> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> facilities
>> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is not
>> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
>>
>> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate paying
>> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
>> think it over.
>>
>> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> solution.
>> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason to
>> take it into jail. ;-)
>>
>> Fidelio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
>> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
>> > valor",
>> > but
>> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
>> > There
>> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
>> > English
>> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
>> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they may
> be
>> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
>> > spoken.
>> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
>> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> form
>> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is the
>> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots of
>> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
>> >
>> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can buy
> a
>> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> Spain.
>> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
>> > dollars
>> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro may
> be
>> > over-valued.
>> >
>> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> more
>> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for his
>> > politics.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
>> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english
> is
>> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
>> >> me
>> >> to
>> >> decide where in the States to go.
>> >>
>> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
>> > travel
>> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
>> >> english
>> > but
>> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every single
>> > time
>> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
>> > around
>> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
>> >> you
>> >> to
>> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Fidelio
>> >> from Spain (UE)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> > Spanish
>> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> >> > billboards
>> > are
>> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where libraries
> no
>> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> Imagine
>> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> anymore.
>> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
>> >> > bad
> I
>> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > there is no .sig
>> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> jail/prison.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>> .
>> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin
>> > given
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>> > Wakefield
>> >> >> as
>> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
>> >> >>> > inspector
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
Hmmm Vitoria? Ask the "batasunos" to blow that McDonald... they know how to
do it.
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> ads
> in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la vida
> mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> If
> this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
>
> The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> those
> bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now. I
> am not pulling your leg.
>
> I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like the
> Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> Castillian version. I can understand both.
>
> I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> corner,
> en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> socialist
> health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will mean
> the end of your attractive but underfed women.
>
> Earle
>
> "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
>> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country in
> the
>> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation we
> are
>> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
>>
>> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
>> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> don't
>> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but for
> us
>> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> what
>> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
>> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
>> strange each other.
>>
>> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
>> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> you
>> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
>> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> expensive
>> that in the States.
>>
>> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi or
>> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> for
>> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
>> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States is
>> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
>> Europe have.
>>
>> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
>> from
>> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> year
>> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
>> dollars -
>> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst country
> in
>> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
>> salary
>> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> Finland
>> they pay as much as 65%.
>>
>> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket that
>> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has National
>> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
>> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And all
>> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
>> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you raise
> 65
>> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the english
>> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american salary
> and
>> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> facilities
>> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is not
>> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
>>
>> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate paying
>> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
>> think it over.
>>
>> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> solution.
>> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason to
>> take it into jail. ;-)
>>
>> Fidelio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
>> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
>> > valor",
>> > but
>> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
>> > There
>> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
>> > English
>> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
>> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they may
> be
>> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
>> > spoken.
>> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
>> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> form
>> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is the
>> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots of
>> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
>> >
>> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can buy
> a
>> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> Spain.
>> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
>> > dollars
>> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro may
> be
>> > over-valued.
>> >
>> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> more
>> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for his
>> > politics.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
>> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english
> is
>> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
>> >> me
>> >> to
>> >> decide where in the States to go.
>> >>
>> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
>> > travel
>> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
>> >> english
>> > but
>> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every single
>> > time
>> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
>> > around
>> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
>> >> you
>> >> to
>> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Fidelio
>> >> from Spain (UE)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> > Spanish
>> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> >> > billboards
>> > are
>> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where libraries
> no
>> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> Imagine
>> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> anymore.
>> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
>> >> > bad
> I
>> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > there is no .sig
>> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> jail/prison.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>> .
>> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin
>> > given
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>> > Wakefield
>> >> >> as
>> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
>> >> >>> > inspector
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
do it.
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> ads
> in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la vida
> mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> If
> this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
>
> The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> those
> bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now. I
> am not pulling your leg.
>
> I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like the
> Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> Castillian version. I can understand both.
>
> I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> corner,
> en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> socialist
> health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will mean
> the end of your attractive but underfed women.
>
> Earle
>
> "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
>> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country in
> the
>> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation we
> are
>> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
>>
>> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
>> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> don't
>> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but for
> us
>> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> what
>> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
>> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
>> strange each other.
>>
>> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
>> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> you
>> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
>> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> expensive
>> that in the States.
>>
>> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi or
>> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> for
>> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
>> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States is
>> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
>> Europe have.
>>
>> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
>> from
>> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> year
>> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
>> dollars -
>> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst country
> in
>> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
>> salary
>> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> Finland
>> they pay as much as 65%.
>>
>> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket that
>> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has National
>> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
>> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And all
>> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
>> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you raise
> 65
>> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the english
>> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american salary
> and
>> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> facilities
>> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is not
>> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
>>
>> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate paying
>> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
>> think it over.
>>
>> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> solution.
>> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason to
>> take it into jail. ;-)
>>
>> Fidelio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
>> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
>> > valor",
>> > but
>> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
>> > There
>> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
>> > English
>> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
>> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they may
> be
>> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
>> > spoken.
>> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
>> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> form
>> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is the
>> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots of
>> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
>> >
>> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can buy
> a
>> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> Spain.
>> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
>> > dollars
>> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro may
> be
>> > over-valued.
>> >
>> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> more
>> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for his
>> > politics.
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
>> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
>> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my english
> is
>> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
>> >> me
>> >> to
>> >> decide where in the States to go.
>> >>
>> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
>> > travel
>> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
>> >> english
>> > but
>> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every single
>> > time
>> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
>> > around
>> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
>> >> you
>> >> to
>> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >> Fidelio
>> >> from Spain (UE)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
>> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
>> > Spanish
>> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
>> >> > billboards
>> > are
>> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where libraries
> no
>> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> Imagine
>> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> anymore.
>> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
>> >> > bad
> I
>> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > there is no .sig
>> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> jail/prison.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing crimes
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>> .
>> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
>> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a tie-pin
>> > given
>> >> >>> > as
>> >> >> a
>> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
>> > Wakefield
>> >> >> as
>> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
>> >> >>> > inspector
>> >> >>> > for
>> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for concern".
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: OT - Politically Correct --------
Why should I care? I am going home in five months, and already I miss the
New World, and the Spanish accent that sounds so funny, that you cannot
follow it. There is a Burger King here too.
Earle
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di59um$6p4$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Vitoria? Ask the "batasunos" to blow that McDonald... they know how
to
> do it.
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> > Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> > ads
> > in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la
vida
> > mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> > If
> > this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
> >
> > The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> > those
> > bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now.
I
> > am not pulling your leg.
> >
> > I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like
the
> > Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> > Castillian version. I can understand both.
> >
> > I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> > corner,
> > en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> > socialist
> > health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will
mean
> > the end of your attractive but underfed women.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> > news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
> >> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
> >> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country
in
> > the
> >> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation
we
> > are
> >> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
> >>
> >> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
> >> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> > don't
> >> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but
for
> > us
> >> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> > what
> >> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
> >> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
> >> strange each other.
> >>
> >> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
> >> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> > you
> >> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
> >> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> > expensive
> >> that in the States.
> >>
> >> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi
or
> >> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> > for
> >> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
> >> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States
is
> >> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
> >> Europe have.
> >>
> >> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
> >> from
> >> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> > year
> >> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
> >> dollars -
> >> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst
country
> > in
> >> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
> >> salary
> >> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> > Finland
> >> they pay as much as 65%.
> >>
> >> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket
that
> >> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has
National
> >> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
> >> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And
all
> >> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
> >> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you
raise
> > 65
> >> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the
english
> >> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american
salary
> > and
> >> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> > facilities
> >> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is
not
> >> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
> >>
> >> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate
paying
> >> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
> >> think it over.
> >>
> >> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> > solution.
> >> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason
to
> >> take it into jail. ;-)
> >>
> >> Fidelio
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
> >> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
> >> > valor",
> >> > but
> >> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
> >> > There
> >> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
> >> > English
> >> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
> >> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they
may
> > be
> >> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
> >> > spoken.
> >> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
> >> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> > form
> >> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is
the
> >> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots
of
> >> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
> >> >
> >> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can
buy
> > a
> >> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> > Spain.
> >> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
> >> > dollars
> >> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro
may
> > be
> >> > over-valued.
> >> >
> >> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> > more
> >> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for
his
> >> > politics.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> >> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my
english
> > is
> >> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
> >> >> me
> >> >> to
> >> >> decide where in the States to go.
> >> >>
> >> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> >> > travel
> >> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> >> >> english
> >> > but
> >> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every
single
> >> > time
> >> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
> >> > around
> >> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
> >> >> you
> >> >> to
> >> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best Regards,
> >> >> Fidelio
> >> >> from Spain (UE)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
> >> > Spanish
> >> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
> >> >> > billboards
> >> > are
> >> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
libraries
> > no
> >> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> > Imagine
> >> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> > anymore.
> >> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
> >> >> > bad
> > I
> >> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > there is no .sig
> >> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> > jail/prison.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
> >> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing
crimes
> >> >> >>> and
> >> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >>> .
> >> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> >> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a
tie-pin
> >> > given
> >> >> >>> > as
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
> >> > Wakefield
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
> >> >> >>> > inspector
> >> >> >>> > for
> >> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for
concern".
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
New World, and the Spanish accent that sounds so funny, that you cannot
follow it. There is a Burger King here too.
Earle
"Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
news:di59um$6p4$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
> Hmmm Vitoria? Ask the "batasunos" to blow that McDonald... they know how
to
> do it.
>
> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:434537d8$1_2@alt.athenanews.com...
> > Those are United States television stations that I mentioned. They have
> > ads
> > in Spanish, touring "Inglés sin barreras" as the painless way to "la
vida
> > mejor". There are ads like this in Spain too. I laugh when I see them.
> > If
> > this is true, why am I learning Spanish?
> >
> > The houses in the United States are no longer made of wood, except for
> > those
> > bought by the very rich. They are made of cardboard and styrofoam now.
I
> > am not pulling your leg.
> >
> > I must insist, that the Spanish spoken in the new world, which is like
the
> > Spanish of Andalucía, has a greater acceptance, world wide, than the
> > Castillian version. I can understand both.
> >
> > I am in Vitoria-Gasteiz, and there is a MacDonald's right around the
> > corner,
> > en la Calle Dato. If more of them are built, it will strain your
> > socialist
> > health care system, perhaps to the point of breaking it. And it will
mean
> > the end of your attractive but underfed women.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> > news:di2m6r$7jm$1@caladan.landsraad.net...
> >> Why Spaniards are not traveling? Let me explain that to you... we allow
> >> Poland to enter into the Union just to stop being the poorest country
in
> > the
> >> EU. That easy. Now that Poland is starting to improve their situation
we
> > are
> >> planning to allow Turkey to go into the Union.
> >>
> >> In Spain we don't watch South American TVs. Basically since ASTRA or
> >> HISPASAT which are the two satellite systems found in southern Europe
> > don't
> >> send the signal of those channels. I think Galavision is on ASTRA but
for
> > us
> >> the South Americans accent sound so funny that we can not really follow
> > what
> >> they are saying. Is something like Portuguese and Brasilian both are
> >> suppouse to be the same language but the find the way to speak it very
> >> strange each other.
> >>
> >> Now related the Euro and Dollar. When I was in the States I found that
> >> housing is more cheap there than in Europe but those wooden made houses
> > you
> >> have in the cities are not found in Europe (not even in Spain where the
> >> weather is goog enough). So building a home in Europe is much more
> > expensive
> >> that in the States.
> >>
> >> Another important diference are cars. An european car like BMW or Audi
or
> >> Mercedes cost double in Germany or Spain than in the States. The reason
> > for
> >> that could be that european makers must fight with the prices of local
> >> makers like Ford or GM. I think again that making a car in the States
is
> >> much cheaper that in Europe due to the social facilities the workers in
> >> Europe have.
> >>
> >> Just imagine, I pay on taxes by the end of the year or taken directly
> >> from
> >> my salary about 35%, so if the company pays to me around 48000 Euros a
> > year
> >> "Hacienda" (our IRS) gets for the state about 16800 Euros (57908
> >> dollars -
> >> 20267 dollars, what www.xe.com said). And Spain is not the worst
country
> > in
> >> EU related to taxes. In France and Germany I could pay for the same
> >> salary
> >> about a 45% on taxes. And in northern Europe like Sweden, Norway or
> > Finland
> >> they pay as much as 65%.
> >>
> >> Is this meant that the average european has less money in his pocket
that
> >> the average american? Not really. All the european contries has
National
> >> Health System which has great health assistance. I have no other health
> >> system than the owned by the state. I could but I don't need it. And
all
> >> european countries has a Social Security System which pays to you about
> >> 65%-90% of your salary when you are ill for a long time or when you
raise
> > 65
> >> years old and you stop working for a salary (I don't remember the
english
> >> word... retirement?... don't know). So... if you take an american
salary
> > and
> >> you add the health insurance and a retirement plan and many other
> > facilities
> >> that the average european pays with the taxes may be the diference is
not
> >> too much. May be with a person from Spain yes but not with a German.
> >>
> >> Which system is the best? I don't make any choice on that. I hate
paying
> >> taxes but when I saw how much an american pay for being in a hospital I
> >> think it over.
> >>
> >> Related to Mr. Bean - Zapatero. I must insist... Guantanamo is the
> > solution.
> >> He is good friend of Chavez and Castro so... you have there the reason
to
> >> take it into jail. ;-)
> >>
> >> Fidelio
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >> news:43440c73$1_3@alt.athenanews.com...
> >> > Yeah, my first day in Spain they told me, "Los dólares no tienen
> >> > valor",
> >> > but
> >> > they took my credit card OK. Don't be put off by "Doug" or his ilk.
> >> > There
> >> > are people like him everywhere. We get lots of French, German, and
> >> > English
> >> > tourists where I live, <www.silvertoncolorado.com>, but not that many
> >> > Spaniards. We wonder where they are. Some people think, that they
may
> > be
> >> > stand-offish and unwilling to go places, where their language is not
> >> > spoken.
> >> > The Mexicans and Central Americans are not so picky. In fact, if you
> >> > watched the advertisements on Telemundo, Univision, or hTV, you would
> > form
> >> > the opinion, that all they care about, is learning English. It is
the
> >> > ticket to "la vida mejor", as one ad says. On the other hand, lots
of
> >> > Anglos in my country are learning Spanish too.
> >> >
> >> > I am not too worried about the Euro situation. I'll bet that I can
buy
> > a
> >> > lot more with a dollar in the U.S., than you can buy with a Euro in
> > Spain.
> >> > The latinos that come into my country, legally or not, seem to like
> >> > dollars
> >> > too. I am not an expert on economics, but I suspect that the Euro
may
> > be
> >> > over-valued.
> >> >
> >> > The Mr. Bean comment cracks me up. Your previous president had a lot
> > more
> >> > dress sense and better taylors, although I didn't care too much for
his
> >> > politics.
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> > "Fidelio" <Fidelio@correofalso.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:di00o4$628$4@caladan.landsraad.net...
> >> >> Hmmm Great news. I was thinking on visiting the States but my
english
> > is
> >> >> soooo bad that I took the desicion of not going. But your note helps
> >> >> me
> >> >> to
> >> >> decide where in the States to go.
> >> >>
> >> >> Funny thing is that nowadays if you know english and spanish you can
> >> > travel
> >> >> all around the world. Some years ago you could travel only with
> >> >> english
> >> > but
> >> >> the times are changing. Is like the dollar. Few years ago every
single
> >> > time
> >> >> I traveled outside Europe I carried US Dollars that are accepted all
> >> > around
> >> >> the world. Now I travel only with UE Euros... That is something for
> >> >> you
> >> >> to
> >> >> worry about... not the ------ of "hispanos" population.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best Regards,
> >> >> Fidelio
> >> >> from Spain (UE)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> escribió en el mensaje
> >> >> news:_Nw0f.1434$xD7.1251@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
> >> >> > At least whole sections of Britain aren't speaking/reading/writing
> >> > Spanish
> >> >> > now. I've seen cities in Southern California where all the
> >> >> > billboards
> >> > are
> >> >> > in Spanish. I've seen cities in Southern California where
libraries
> > no
> >> >> > longer have the name libraries, they're now called bibliotecas.
> > Imagine
> >> >> > public libraries that don't have signs calling them libraries
> > anymore.
> >> >> > Insane. Do hispanics still get affirmative action in the USA? Too
> >> >> > bad
> > I
> >> >> > don't get any affirmative action in any latino countries...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > there is no .sig
> >> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:mZq0f.121355$G8.107975@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> >> >> >> no, just legal aliens committing crimes and ending up in
> > jail/prison.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> >> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:aeb8$43420337$d8449845$23577@FUSE.NET...
> >> >> >>> Have you got a problem there with illegal aliens committing
crimes
> >> >> >>> and
> >> >> >>> ending up in jail/prison?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >>> .
> >> >> >>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:JTl0f.121295$G8.68978@text.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> >> >> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4305798.stm
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Apparently, prison officers having an English flag on a
tie-pin
> >> > given
> >> >> >>> > as
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >>> > result of a donation to a cancer charity, is to be banned in
> >> > Wakefield
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >>> > "It could be misinterpreted as a racist symbol". The Chief
> >> >> >>> > inspector
> >> >> >>> > for
> >> >> >>> > prisons, Anne Owens, said they were also "a cause for
concern".
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Un-f*king*-believable.
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> >> >>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>> >
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>