OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
Years ago a guy converted a Subaru-he gutted the back out and put a VW
transaxle hooked to a electric motor and batteries in the rear. That
way he could drive pure electric on short trips. He had a foot
controller that interrupted the first inch of brake travel and made
the electric motor generate and charge the batts for braking,a
no-microprocessor elegant solution-need wheel brakes push a little
harder. If the batteries were overcharging he had a 10 kW Globar dummy
load that switched in circuit when braking-the Globar was built in the
rear bumper. Glowed real pretty at night (although it charred the
lower decklid paint eventually). He could charge in the garage, or
underway as he had a huge Leece Neville alternator on the engine and
an inverter/charger he built himself.
It was quite a deal. I think there was an article in Mechanix
Illustrated or something. Oh yeah, it was four wheel drive-think about
it! The road was the only link between the systems except for one wire
and the common chassis ground.
redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
Years ago a guy converted a Subaru-he gutted the back out and put a VW
transaxle hooked to a electric motor and batteries in the rear. That
way he could drive pure electric on short trips. He had a foot
controller that interrupted the first inch of brake travel and made
the electric motor generate and charge the batts for braking,a
no-microprocessor elegant solution-need wheel brakes push a little
harder. If the batteries were overcharging he had a 10 kW Globar dummy
load that switched in circuit when braking-the Globar was built in the
rear bumper. Glowed real pretty at night (although it charred the
lower decklid paint eventually). He could charge in the garage, or
underway as he had a huge Leece Neville alternator on the engine and
an inverter/charger he built himself.
It was quite a deal. I think there was an article in Mechanix
Illustrated or something. Oh yeah, it was four wheel drive-think about
it! The road was the only link between the systems except for one wire
and the common chassis ground.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
The Prius batteries are warranted for 8 years or 100k miles. Or TEN years in NY,
CA and MA. The batteries weigh 45 kilograms, not a thousand pounds.
Quite a bit better than the average raggedy-*** Ford.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
> drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
> gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
> My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
> that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
The Prius batteries are warranted for 8 years or 100k miles. Or TEN years in NY,
CA and MA. The batteries weigh 45 kilograms, not a thousand pounds.
Quite a bit better than the average raggedy-*** Ford.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4107D535.73CB4910@***.net...
> Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
> drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
> gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
> My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
> that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
The Prius batteries are warranted for 8 years or 100k miles. Or TEN years in NY,
CA and MA. The batteries weigh 45 kilograms, not a thousand pounds.
Quite a bit better than the average raggedy-*** Ford.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4107D535.73CB4910@***.net...
> Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
> drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
> gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
> My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
> that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
The Prius batteries are warranted for 8 years or 100k miles. Or TEN years in NY,
CA and MA. The batteries weigh 45 kilograms, not a thousand pounds.
Quite a bit better than the average raggedy-*** Ford.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4107D535.73CB4910@***.net...
> Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
> drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
> gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
> My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
> that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
larboard34@hotmail.com (Ted Azito) wrote in message news:<b53da461.0407281733.26eb352f@posting.google. com>...
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
larboard34@hotmail.com (Ted Azito) wrote in message news:<b53da461.0407281733.26eb352f@posting.google. com>...
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
larboard34@hotmail.com (Ted Azito) wrote in message news:<b53da461.0407281733.26eb352f@posting.google. com>...
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
larboard34@hotmail.com (Ted Azito) wrote in message news:<b53da461.0407281733.26eb352f@posting.google. com>...
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
> The commercially available hybrids suck because they have no
> redundancy. You have to have both systems running not just either or.
?
The Honda hybrids is gasoline only, or gasoline with electric assist.
The Toyota Prius can run in gasoline only, gasoline with electric
assist, or electric only.
or do you mean that in the unlikely event that one power source fails,
that the car will not go anywhere? The Honda hybrids have a backup
starter motor in the event that the electric motor/battery are not
working, so it'll act like a regular gasoline car.
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
I feel sorry for her imagine have having drive such a butt ugly
car: http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/prius/
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John Davies wrote:
>
> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>
> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>
> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> out.... not there yet.
>
> John
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA
car: http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/2004/prius/
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John Davies wrote:
>
> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>
> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>
> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> out.... not there yet.
>
> John
>
> John Davies TLCA 14732
> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> '96 Lexus LX450
> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> Spokane WA USA