OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
07-28-2004, 09:52 AM
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
"John Davies" <saab95aerowagon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>
> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>
> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> out.... not there yet.
Another soon to be disappointed consumer! Plus, just the kind of gullible
consumer the dealers love, willing to spend 4k more than the thjing is worth
in order to save money on fuel! If your calculations are true, she'll have
to replace the battery pack at some point around 8 years from now, that will
be another 3k. Some economy, huh?
07-28-2004, 10:51 AM
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 10:51 AM
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 10:51 AM
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 10:51 AM
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
mph <lol>)
I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
going to cost to replace those battery packs?
Dean
On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
wrote:
>Hi John,
> Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
>number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
>establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
>call her a liar:
>http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
>http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
>http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
>http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
>http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>John Davies wrote:
>>
>> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
>> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
>> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
>> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
>> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
>> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
>>
>> It is a truly strange car to drive.
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
>> out.... not there yet.
>>
>> John
>>
>> John Davies TLCA 14732
>> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
>> '96 Lexus LX450
>> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
>> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 12:32 PM
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 12:32 PM
#27
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 12:32 PM
#28
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Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 12:32 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
Your Tercel didn't have to drag along a deceleration generator, and
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
drive train for the electric motor to shift in and out, while running a
gasoline engine, or a thousand pounds of batteries for it all to work.
My full sized Thunderbird gets 31 MPG, if I have to drive in traffic
that doesn't exceed fifty miles and hours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dean wrote:
>
> My 13 year old Honda gets 30 mpg in a mix of highway and stop and go commuting.
> And I had a Toyota Tercel that got 42 mpg on the highway. (Full disclosure:
> The Toyota got 42 when driven on the highway at the speed limit, at the time 55
> mph <lol>)
>
> I think these hybrids are just like diesels, any advantage is far out weighed by
> their initial costs and maintenance expenses. In a few years how much is it
> going to cost to replace those battery packs?
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:46:04 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi John,
> > Teach your Sister how to divid the number of miles driven by the
> >number of gallons it takes to refill the tank, and that one trip doesn't
> >establish and average. Next time she give you a number more than 35 MPG,
> >call her a liar:
> >http://madbard.walkingwizard.com/tdb...es/000317.html
> >http://www.hybridcars.com/news/hybri...-up-short.html
> >http://www.smartcarfinder.com/Story....ory=Car+Buying
> >http://www.cforum.net/forums/archive..._up_short.html
> >http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,63413,00.html
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >John Davies wrote:
> >>
> >> I tried to talk her out of it, but she is _rabidly_ anti gas-guzzler.
> >> She paid full MSRP plus $4000 additional dealer markup and got a
> >> crappy trade-in allowance for her Subie Legacy. She got 50 mpg on her
> >> road trip to visit me over the weekend. I figure she will have to
> >> drive that car 5 years at 15K miles per year to break even with the
> >> cost of additional gas for a 20 mpg real vehicle.
> >>
> >> It is a truly strange car to drive.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the OT post - I was just trying to figure this situation
> >> out.... not there yet.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> John Davies TLCA 14732
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~johnedavies/
> >> '96 Lexus LX450
> >> '00 Audi A4 1.8T quattro
> >> Spokane WA USA
07-28-2004, 03:57 PM
#30
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Posts: n/a
Re: OT - my sister bought a Prius hybrid ;(
It's a lot like the old Auto vs. Manual argument new car buyers get
into- "Oh, no, it's $3,000 more for the auto!", neglecting the money
you'll be tossing on clutches with a standard.
Matt
>
> Another soon to be disappointed consumer! Plus, just the kind of gullible
> consumer the dealers love, willing to spend 4k more than the thjing is worth
> in order to save money on fuel! If your calculations are true, she'll have
> to replace the battery pack at some point around 8 years from now, that will
> be another 3k. Some economy, huh?
into- "Oh, no, it's $3,000 more for the auto!", neglecting the money
you'll be tossing on clutches with a standard.
Matt
>
> Another soon to be disappointed consumer! Plus, just the kind of gullible
> consumer the dealers love, willing to spend 4k more than the thjing is worth
> in order to save money on fuel! If your calculations are true, she'll have
> to replace the battery pack at some point around 8 years from now, that will
> be another 3k. Some economy, huh?