OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
#251
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
And no where in the manual does it tell you to be superman and leap tall
cars in a single bound?!
Part of the idea in laying a bike down is putting something between you and
what you ARE going to hit. Sure you're going to break a leg...but your
head/neck will be furthest away from the impact.
Also, I'm 300lbs....that plus the bike weight (say 500lbs) means about
650-700lbs on that front tire (given the below % on breaking). The only
hiway you'll find with no crap on the road is a new one, my front tire will
lock up and more than like kick out to the side. There's no ABS on bikes
guys. You'll loose control like in a car but on here you'll end up down and
the odds are the bike will "follow" you in to the impact site.
Are you a musician? play the drums? hows your timing? Cuz if you don't
time your jump properly you'll tag the car with your feet and you'll
summersault over. And I hope you live in an area that has helmet laws (and
you abide them) cuz we'll need something to hold your skull in when you land
on your head and break your neck.
Just my opinion....what do I know eh!
sb
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:c2bdfs$1q52nq$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> > lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> > rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> > of rubber on the ground.
>
> Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a
bike
> and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more
traction
> than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
> rubber, your "grease".
> The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the
pavement,
> no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
> sideways. The physics doesn't work.
> In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
> than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as
possible
> as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to
go
> over the car instead into/under the door.
> Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional
manual
> does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
> Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get
them
> killed.
>
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
cars in a single bound?!
Part of the idea in laying a bike down is putting something between you and
what you ARE going to hit. Sure you're going to break a leg...but your
head/neck will be furthest away from the impact.
Also, I'm 300lbs....that plus the bike weight (say 500lbs) means about
650-700lbs on that front tire (given the below % on breaking). The only
hiway you'll find with no crap on the road is a new one, my front tire will
lock up and more than like kick out to the side. There's no ABS on bikes
guys. You'll loose control like in a car but on here you'll end up down and
the odds are the bike will "follow" you in to the impact site.
Are you a musician? play the drums? hows your timing? Cuz if you don't
time your jump properly you'll tag the car with your feet and you'll
summersault over. And I hope you live in an area that has helmet laws (and
you abide them) cuz we'll need something to hold your skull in when you land
on your head and break your neck.
Just my opinion....what do I know eh!
sb
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:c2bdfs$1q52nq$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> > lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> > rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> > of rubber on the ground.
>
> Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a
bike
> and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more
traction
> than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
> rubber, your "grease".
> The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the
pavement,
> no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
> sideways. The physics doesn't work.
> In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
> than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as
possible
> as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to
go
> over the car instead into/under the door.
> Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional
manual
> does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
> Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get
them
> killed.
>
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
#252
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
And no where in the manual does it tell you to be superman and leap tall
cars in a single bound?!
Part of the idea in laying a bike down is putting something between you and
what you ARE going to hit. Sure you're going to break a leg...but your
head/neck will be furthest away from the impact.
Also, I'm 300lbs....that plus the bike weight (say 500lbs) means about
650-700lbs on that front tire (given the below % on breaking). The only
hiway you'll find with no crap on the road is a new one, my front tire will
lock up and more than like kick out to the side. There's no ABS on bikes
guys. You'll loose control like in a car but on here you'll end up down and
the odds are the bike will "follow" you in to the impact site.
Are you a musician? play the drums? hows your timing? Cuz if you don't
time your jump properly you'll tag the car with your feet and you'll
summersault over. And I hope you live in an area that has helmet laws (and
you abide them) cuz we'll need something to hold your skull in when you land
on your head and break your neck.
Just my opinion....what do I know eh!
sb
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:c2bdfs$1q52nq$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> > lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> > rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> > of rubber on the ground.
>
> Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a
bike
> and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more
traction
> than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
> rubber, your "grease".
> The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the
pavement,
> no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
> sideways. The physics doesn't work.
> In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
> than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as
possible
> as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to
go
> over the car instead into/under the door.
> Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional
manual
> does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
> Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get
them
> killed.
>
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
cars in a single bound?!
Part of the idea in laying a bike down is putting something between you and
what you ARE going to hit. Sure you're going to break a leg...but your
head/neck will be furthest away from the impact.
Also, I'm 300lbs....that plus the bike weight (say 500lbs) means about
650-700lbs on that front tire (given the below % on breaking). The only
hiway you'll find with no crap on the road is a new one, my front tire will
lock up and more than like kick out to the side. There's no ABS on bikes
guys. You'll loose control like in a car but on here you'll end up down and
the odds are the bike will "follow" you in to the impact site.
Are you a musician? play the drums? hows your timing? Cuz if you don't
time your jump properly you'll tag the car with your feet and you'll
summersault over. And I hope you live in an area that has helmet laws (and
you abide them) cuz we'll need something to hold your skull in when you land
on your head and break your neck.
Just my opinion....what do I know eh!
sb
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:c2bdfs$1q52nq$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> > lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> > rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> > of rubber on the ground.
>
> Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a
bike
> and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more
traction
> than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
> rubber, your "grease".
> The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the
pavement,
> no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
> sideways. The physics doesn't work.
> In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
> than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as
possible
> as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to
go
> over the car instead into/under the door.
> Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional
manual
> does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
> Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get
them
> killed.
>
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
#253
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
And no where in the manual does it tell you to be superman and leap tall
cars in a single bound?!
Part of the idea in laying a bike down is putting something between you and
what you ARE going to hit. Sure you're going to break a leg...but your
head/neck will be furthest away from the impact.
Also, I'm 300lbs....that plus the bike weight (say 500lbs) means about
650-700lbs on that front tire (given the below % on breaking). The only
hiway you'll find with no crap on the road is a new one, my front tire will
lock up and more than like kick out to the side. There's no ABS on bikes
guys. You'll loose control like in a car but on here you'll end up down and
the odds are the bike will "follow" you in to the impact site.
Are you a musician? play the drums? hows your timing? Cuz if you don't
time your jump properly you'll tag the car with your feet and you'll
summersault over. And I hope you live in an area that has helmet laws (and
you abide them) cuz we'll need something to hold your skull in when you land
on your head and break your neck.
Just my opinion....what do I know eh!
sb
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:c2bdfs$1q52nq$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> > lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> > rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> > of rubber on the ground.
>
> Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a
bike
> and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more
traction
> than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
> rubber, your "grease".
> The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the
pavement,
> no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
> sideways. The physics doesn't work.
> In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
> than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as
possible
> as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to
go
> over the car instead into/under the door.
> Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional
manual
> does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
> Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get
them
> killed.
>
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
cars in a single bound?!
Part of the idea in laying a bike down is putting something between you and
what you ARE going to hit. Sure you're going to break a leg...but your
head/neck will be furthest away from the impact.
Also, I'm 300lbs....that plus the bike weight (say 500lbs) means about
650-700lbs on that front tire (given the below % on breaking). The only
hiway you'll find with no crap on the road is a new one, my front tire will
lock up and more than like kick out to the side. There's no ABS on bikes
guys. You'll loose control like in a car but on here you'll end up down and
the odds are the bike will "follow" you in to the impact site.
Are you a musician? play the drums? hows your timing? Cuz if you don't
time your jump properly you'll tag the car with your feet and you'll
summersault over. And I hope you live in an area that has helmet laws (and
you abide them) cuz we'll need something to hold your skull in when you land
on your head and break your neck.
Just my opinion....what do I know eh!
sb
"Paul Calman" <spam@trap.com> wrote in message
news:c2bdfs$1q52nq$1@ID-87669.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> > lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> > rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> > of rubber on the ground.
>
> Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a
bike
> and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more
traction
> than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
> rubber, your "grease".
> The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the
pavement,
> no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
> sideways. The physics doesn't work.
> In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
> than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as
possible
> as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to
go
> over the car instead into/under the door.
> Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional
manual
> does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
> Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get
them
> killed.
>
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
>
>
#254
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
So do you think the station wagon I was about to broad side would have
hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
Mike
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> There are a few scenarios where sliding could be good, such as you are about
> to hit a moose, cow, or semi-trailer broadside.
> Unfortunalely, there is never time to think, only react.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
Mike
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> There are a few scenarios where sliding could be good, such as you are about
> to hit a moose, cow, or semi-trailer broadside.
> Unfortunalely, there is never time to think, only react.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
#255
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
So do you think the station wagon I was about to broad side would have
hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
Mike
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> There are a few scenarios where sliding could be good, such as you are about
> to hit a moose, cow, or semi-trailer broadside.
> Unfortunalely, there is never time to think, only react.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
Mike
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> There are a few scenarios where sliding could be good, such as you are about
> to hit a moose, cow, or semi-trailer broadside.
> Unfortunalely, there is never time to think, only react.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
#256
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
So do you think the station wagon I was about to broad side would have
hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
Mike
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> There are a few scenarios where sliding could be good, such as you are about
> to hit a moose, cow, or semi-trailer broadside.
> Unfortunalely, there is never time to think, only react.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
Mike
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> There are a few scenarios where sliding could be good, such as you are about
> to hit a moose, cow, or semi-trailer broadside.
> Unfortunalely, there is never time to think, only react.
>
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
#257
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
So do you think the station wagon I was about to broad side would have
> hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
> hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
#258
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
So do you think the station wagon I was about to broad side would have
> hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
> hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
#259
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
So do you think the station wagon I was about to broad side would have
> hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
> hurt less or more than a semi trailer?
No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
#260
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Re: OT - Motorcycle fuel mileage
Hi Paul,
Again I will tell I don't let it go down on purpose, just maybe to
which side. If in your situation you were braking hard enough for the
rear wheel to come off the ground then more than likely it has stopped
rotation, loosing gyroscopic, and you're going down, unless you are
performing a trick as this rider:
http://www.cybersportbike.com/stunts/grstoppie.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
> cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
> slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
> horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
> before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
> that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
> might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
> she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California
Again I will tell I don't let it go down on purpose, just maybe to
which side. If in your situation you were braking hard enough for the
rear wheel to come off the ground then more than likely it has stopped
rotation, loosing gyroscopic, and you're going down, unless you are
performing a trick as this rider:
http://www.cybersportbike.com/stunts/grstoppie.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Paul Calman wrote:
>
> No, but you might slide under a big trailer, where a station wagon would
> cause you to stop suddenly. I would rather go over a car and try my luck at
> slower decelleration than slam into it at a high speed. I hit the side of a
> horse trailer two years ago, I managed to get the bike down to about 20 MPH
> before impact, and got up to look at the damage, and rode another 100 miles
> that evening. If I had lost control and slid, I would have hit harder and
> might have been crushed under it as she didn't actually stop moving untill
> she finished crossing my lane, dragging the bike with her.
> http://home.goldrush.com/obsoelyt/s82.jpg
> --
> Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California