Paul Cordes

"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:xsWQa.70622$ye4.47941@sccrnsc01...
> Fletcher wrote:
>
> > I am interested in storing 50 -100 gallons of gasoline as part of my
> > families 72-hour survival kit. I usually keep four 5 gallon containers
> > around that I use for the lawn mower or whatever and every month or so I
> > dump one in my CJ and get another fresh container so I keep them
rotated.
> > But now I am thinking about storing more and keeping it more long term.
> > From google searches I am seeing conflicting comments about gasoline
storage
> > is safe for 3 months and up to 15 months using a stabilizer. And the
next
> > guy says he stores gas for 2+ years without any stabilizer. I also hear
> > that the military using something that will help stabilize the gas for
up to
> > 5 years. Does anyone know the "right" way to store gasoline and how
long it
> > can truly be stored for? Does a different octane content make a
difference?
> > The link below is the most official info I have been able to find, the
rest
> > is not backed data or has the taste of advertising.
> >
> >
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuel.../storage.shtml
>
> Kinda depends on where you live. If you use a regular
> farm style fuel tank, and can get gas delivered, run
> your stuff from the tank and you probably won't even
> need any stabilizers since the fuel will be refreshed
> on every delivery.
>

I'm surprised it took this long for this suggestion.
I have 2- 55gal drums and use one. When it's empty I start on the other and
fill the first.
That way I've got at least 55 gal on hand for "emergencys". I go thru 55gal
in about 2 weeks. Literally YMMV.

To Bill Hughs......only 2000 rounds? Although I've heard it said that if
you can't "solve" the problem with 1000 rounds you aren't going to live.
This is probably true unless you're using belt fed weapons.

jbjeep

If you have a lot of guns and reloading equipment, etc, dont you have a rider on your
insurance policy to cover them? If so, then they are already aware of them.



On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:09:43 -0600, "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com> wrote:

>> Say if a crisis happened today, or something happened to temporarily
>>drive gas prices to $4. The tank in the Pickup has around 1/4 left and the
>>wife's car is around 1/2. So to fill up the cars would take about 20
>>gallons. My parents live a few blocks away so I would want take care of
>>them too, so there is another 20 gallons. Well you can see my first barrel
>>of gas is nearly gone. With my 3/4 ton truck I only get 14 mpg so in a week
>>of going to work it is empty again. So even though a 55 gallon drum of fuel
>>sounds like a lot you can see this is realistically only a one week supply
>>or maybe a 2 week supply without the parents in the equation .
>> So I live in fear that this will ever really happen? The answer to that
>>is NO. But I figure it does not really cost me any more money to buy gas
>>today or gas in a month. So in a way it is cheap insurance, and I can use
>>it at anytime I want anyways. If I am going to use ~1000 gallons of fuel a
>>year (1500 miles at 14 mpg) , it should not matter if I buy a large stash in
>>July and use it in December or if I buy in tank at a time every week.
>> The idea of the insurance company not paying for a fire because of fuel
>>stored at the house in a concern, I will need to think about that one.
>>Along the same lines the insurance company may not like some of my reloading
>>supplies either.
>>
>>
>>"Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxxrr.com> wrote in message
>>news:NqUQa.225355$_w.9131783@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>> What are you going to do with 150 gallons of gasoline in a72 hr survival
>>> situation? Mow the grass 200 times? :)
>>>
>>> Just wonderin...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:AQNQa.8958$Lc2.4208@fe09.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
>>> > I am interested in storing 50 -100 gallons of gasoline as part of my
>>> > families 72-hour survival kit. I usually keep four 5 gallon containers
>>> > around that I use for the lawn mower or whatever and every month or so I
>>> > dump one in my CJ and get another fresh container so I keep them
>>rotated.
>>> > But now I am thinking about storing more and keeping it more long term.
>>> > From google searches I am seeing conflicting comments about gasoline
>>> storage
>>> > is safe for 3 months and up to 15 months using a stabilizer. And the
>>next
>>> > guy says he stores gas for 2+ years without any stabilizer. I also hear
>>> > that the military using something that will help stabilize the gas for
>>up
>>> to
>>> > 5 years. Does anyone know the "right" way to store gasoline and how
>>long
>>> it
>>> > can truly be stored for? Does a different octane content make a
>>> difference?
>>> > The link below is the most official info I have been able to find, the
>>> rest
>>> > is not backed data or has the taste of advertising.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuel...ne/storage.sht
>>> ml
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Tony

Well, I was also going under the assumption that you were storing the
gas in 5 gallon containers in the garage. If you buy an actual
storage tank approved for gas, then that changes things a little.

You may still have to jump through hoops with the fire marshal and
with code enforcers, but I'm sure both of them would rather see an
above ground 500 gallon tank properly installed than (50) 5 gallon
containers in your garage.

As for the reloading supplies, you have the gunpowder stored
properly....right? It's not piled next to the gas hot water heater or
you'd be responding to these messages from outer space.

Tony




On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:09:43 -0600, "Fletcher" <no_email@please.com>
wrote:

> Say if a crisis happened today, or something happened to temporarily
>drive gas prices to $4. The tank in the Pickup has around 1/4 left and the
>wife's car is around 1/2. So to fill up the cars would take about 20
>gallons. My parents live a few blocks away so I would want take care of
>them too, so there is another 20 gallons. Well you can see my first barrel
>of gas is nearly gone. With my 3/4 ton truck I only get 14 mpg so in a week
>of going to work it is empty again. So even though a 55 gallon drum of fuel
>sounds like a lot you can see this is realistically only a one week supply
>or maybe a 2 week supply without the parents in the equation .
> So I live in fear that this will ever really happen? The answer to that
>is NO. But I figure it does not really cost me any more money to buy gas
>today or gas in a month. So in a way it is cheap insurance, and I can use
>it at anytime I want anyways. If I am going to use ~1000 gallons of fuel a
>year (1500 miles at 14 mpg) , it should not matter if I buy a large stash in
>July and use it in December or if I buy in tank at a time every week.
> The idea of the insurance company not paying for a fire because of fuel
>stored at the house in a concern, I will need to think about that one.
>Along the same lines the insurance company may not like some of my reloading
>supplies either.
>
>
>"Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxxrr.com> wrote in message
>news:NqUQa.225355$_w.9131783@twister.southeast.rr .com...
>> What are you going to do with 150 gallons of gasoline in a72 hr survival
>> situation? Mow the grass 200 times? :)
>>
>> Just wonderin...
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fletcher" <no@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:AQNQa.8958$Lc2.4208@fe09.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
>> > I am interested in storing 50 -100 gallons of gasoline as part of my
>> > families 72-hour survival kit. I usually keep four 5 gallon containers
>> > around that I use for the lawn mower or whatever and every month or so I
>> > dump one in my CJ and get another fresh container so I keep them
>rotated.
>> > But now I am thinking about storing more and keeping it more long term.
>> > From google searches I am seeing conflicting comments about gasoline
>> storage
>> > is safe for 3 months and up to 15 months using a stabilizer. And the
>next
>> > guy says he stores gas for 2+ years without any stabilizer. I also hear
>> > that the military using something that will help stabilize the gas for
>up
>> to
>> > 5 years. Does anyone know the "right" way to store gasoline and how
>long
>> it
>> > can truly be stored for? Does a different octane content make a
>> difference?
>> > The link below is the most official info I have been able to find, the
>> rest
>> > is not backed data or has the taste of advertising.
>> >
>> >
>>
>http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuel...ne/storage.sht
>> ml
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Grumman-581

"Tony" wrote ...
> As for the reloading supplies, you have the gunpowder stored
> properly....right? It's not piled next to the gas hot water heater or
> you'd be responding to these messages from outer space.

I always figured that the gun powder should be put in the gun safe just in
case someone gets creative and takes an oxy-acetylene torch to it...
<evil-grin>

Michael White

Actually, unless it's black powder, I don't think it'll blow up. That's why
our lovely BATF (aka "cat stompers") will only allow us poor little peons
to own smokelss powder and require a special class 3 license to own black
powder.

But I think it is good to store ammo and gun powder in a gun safe with some
silica gel. In humid environments, gun powder can become very unstable,
and will often ignite with the slightest jar. It caused my father to shoot
his truck tire once.
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

L.W.(ßill) ------ III (----------@***.net) wrote on Wednesday 16 July 2003
07:08 pm:

> That's a booby-trap and you'll make the thief or his descendants
> very rich.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Grumman-581 wrote:
>>
>> I always figured that the gun powder should be put in the gun safe just
>> in case someone gets creative and takes an oxy-acetylene torch to it...
>> <evil-grin>

Lon Stowell

Michael White wrote:

> Actually, unless it's black powder, I don't think it'll blow up. That's why
> our lovely BATF (aka "cat stompers") will only allow us poor little peons
> to own smokelss powder and require a special class 3 license to own black
> powder.
>
> But I think it is good to store ammo and gun powder in a gun safe with some
> silica gel. In humid environments, gun powder can become very unstable,
> and will often ignite with the slightest jar. It caused my father to shoot
> his truck tire once.

Yow. Almost as bad as a poor local person who discovered that
their garage had been used for storage of old style dynamite
that had apparently been there for over 40 years. Not bad
except that the stuff had sweated all over the wood storage
platform on the top of their garage and soaked in pretty well,
but with the nice little beads of pure nitro all over the
place. The local hazmat and fire department figured out the
easiest way to remove it without setting it off [given that
there was liquid nitro outside of fullers earth or wood
containment] was to burn the top of the garage.

Guess they were lucky their car never backfired, nobody
ever rammed the garage wall, etc. etc.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

In my young and dumber days, I once found dynamite stored in an
old abandon gold mine. Put a box of it in the back of my Jeep a took it
home over a really rough jeep trail, it wasn't until I got it home that
I was told just how unstable it was.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Yow. Almost as bad as a poor local person who discovered that
> their garage had been used for storage of old style dynamite
> that had apparently been there for over 40 years. Not bad
> except that the stuff had sweated all over the wood storage
> platform on the top of their garage and soaked in pretty well,
> but with the nice little beads of pure nitro all over the
> place. The local hazmat and fire department figured out the
> easiest way to remove it without setting it off [given that
> there was liquid nitro outside of fullers earth or wood
> containment] was to burn the top of the garage.
>
> Guess they were lucky their car never backfired, nobody
> ever rammed the garage wall, etc. etc.

Will Honea

Do you ever wonder how we managed to get as old as we are? I remember
Dad sending me down the street to the hardware store to get him 6
sticks of dynamite when I was in the first grade.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 05:09:13 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> In my young and dumber days, I once found dynamite stored in an
> old abandon gold mine. Put a box of it in the back of my Jeep a took it
> home over a really rough jeep trail, it wasn't until I got it home that
> I was told just how unstable it was.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Yow. Almost as bad as a poor local person who discovered that
> > their garage had been used for storage of old style dynamite
> > that had apparently been there for over 40 years. Not bad
> > except that the stuff had sweated all over the wood storage
> > platform on the top of their garage and soaked in pretty well,
> > but with the nice little beads of pure nitro all over the
> > place. The local hazmat and fire department figured out the
> > easiest way to remove it without setting it off [given that
> > there was liquid nitro outside of fullers earth or wood
> > containment] was to burn the top of the garage.
> >
> > Guess they were lucky their car never backfired, nobody
> > ever rammed the garage wall, etc. etc.


--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Earle Horton

I lived in student apartments at Colorado State at the same time as a few
families from Sudan. They were Muslim and ate kosher, so they would go out
to the local farms and buy a lamb to slaughter themselves, then divide up
the meat. One day one of the mothers sent her three or four year old to
return a hatchet she had borrowed from one of the other mothers. Little kid
comes walking by our apartment holding a bloody hatchet...

Earle

"Will Honea" <whonea@codenet.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-deRDT3l6j6x7@anon.none.net...
> Do you ever wonder how we managed to get as old as we are? I remember
> Dad sending me down the street to the hardware store to get him 6
> sticks of dynamite when I was in the first grade.
>
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 05:09:13 UTC L.W.(ßill) ------ III
> <----------@***.net> wrote:
>
> > In my young and dumber days, I once found dynamite stored in an
> > old abandon gold mine. Put a box of it in the back of my Jeep a took it
> > home over a really rough jeep trail, it wasn't until I got it home that
> > I was told just how unstable it was.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > Yow. Almost as bad as a poor local person who discovered that
> > > their garage had been used for storage of old style dynamite
> > > that had apparently been there for over 40 years. Not bad
> > > except that the stuff had sweated all over the wood storage
> > > platform on the top of their garage and soaked in pretty well,
> > > but with the nice little beads of pure nitro all over the
> > > place. The local hazmat and fire department figured out the
> > > easiest way to remove it without setting it off [given that
> > > there was liquid nitro outside of fullers earth or wood
> > > containment] was to burn the top of the garage.
> > >
> > > Guess they were lucky their car never backfired, nobody
> > > ever rammed the garage wall, etc. etc.
>
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Lon Stowell

If it had those nice little beads of nitro "sweat" all over
the outside, yeah, you are one lucky, alive, MF. It isn't
as touchy as folklore or nitrogen triiodide, but it is somewhat
less stable than a menopausal bipolar disorder motherinlaw.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> In my young and dumber days, I once found dynamite stored in an
> old abandon gold mine. Put a box of it in the back of my Jeep a took it
> home over a really rough jeep trail, it wasn't until I got it home that
> I was told just how unstable it was.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>> Yow. Almost as bad as a poor local person who discovered that
>> their garage had been used for storage of old style dynamite
>> that had apparently been there for over 40 years. Not bad
>> except that the stuff had sweated all over the wood storage
>> platform on the top of their garage and soaked in pretty well,
>> but with the nice little beads of pure nitro all over the
>> place. The local hazmat and fire department figured out the
>> easiest way to remove it without setting it off [given that
>> there was liquid nitro outside of fullers earth or wood
>> containment] was to burn the top of the garage.
>>
>> Guess they were lucky their car never backfired, nobody
>> ever rammed the garage wall, etc. etc.