Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

The appeal is probably a reaction to the over-polished bullsh1t of most
politicians.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Y_qdnVrCScnNsSrcRVn-hw@speakeasy.net...
> thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At
least
> they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

The appeal is probably a reaction to the over-polished bullsh1t of most
politicians.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Y_qdnVrCScnNsSrcRVn-hw@speakeasy.net...
> thinking the public would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. At
least
> they know someone else in the party would always sound worse than them.

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

Apologies in advance for stoking this way off topic thread.

I've certainly been unimpressed by his smug oratory style in the past,
but having heard the speech Bush recently delivered here in Halifax on
his Canadian kiss-and-make-up tour to muster international help for
cleaning up his Iraq mess, I must give him and his writers high marks
for pushing all the right Canuck buttons:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0041201-4.html

"a great vision for the future, two prosperous, independent nations
joined together by the return of NHL hockey"

"There's a prominent citizen who endorsed me in the 2000 election, and I
wanted a chance to finally thank him for that endorsement. I was hoping
to meet Jean Poutine" (Bush showed his utter lack of foreign affairs
savvy in 2000 when a comedian posing as a reporter got him to thank
Prime Minster 'Poutine' on Canadian television).

"thank you for your kindness to America in an hour of need"

"our two peoples are one family, and always will be"

"I proudly ate some Alberta beef last night and I'm still standing"

"The values we hold have made us good neighbors for centuries, and they
will keep us as strong allies and good friends for the centuries to come"

"America respects the skill and honor and the sacrifice of Canada's
armed forces"

"building effective multinational and multilateral institutions and
supporting effective multilateral action" (isn't 'multilateral' a dirty
word in Republican circles?)

"Canadians can be proud of the part you have played in the advance of
human liberty [in Afghanistan]"

"a member of Canada's Parliament said in the 1960s, 'The United States
is our friend, whether we like it or not.'"

"it's not always easy to sleep next to the elephant"

Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
and waited to be attacked:

" In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.

Very clever move to dig that up.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/prim...h4-4068-e.html
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-109-138...30s/1939/clip4

Granted, Bush looked really dopey when he paused after several key
remarks to wait for applause that didn't come, but overall his delivery
was improved over what I've seen before. Expect to see similar speeches
across Europe in the new year as he goes after the Francs and
Deutschmarks he needs to get out from under Iraq.

Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org


wkearney99 wrote:
> His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
> resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
> speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
> inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So instead
> of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot leading
> the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
> really sad.
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>
>>I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>>
>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
>
> today
>
>>>as it was back then.
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
>>>>in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

Apologies in advance for stoking this way off topic thread.

I've certainly been unimpressed by his smug oratory style in the past,
but having heard the speech Bush recently delivered here in Halifax on
his Canadian kiss-and-make-up tour to muster international help for
cleaning up his Iraq mess, I must give him and his writers high marks
for pushing all the right Canuck buttons:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0041201-4.html

"a great vision for the future, two prosperous, independent nations
joined together by the return of NHL hockey"

"There's a prominent citizen who endorsed me in the 2000 election, and I
wanted a chance to finally thank him for that endorsement. I was hoping
to meet Jean Poutine" (Bush showed his utter lack of foreign affairs
savvy in 2000 when a comedian posing as a reporter got him to thank
Prime Minster 'Poutine' on Canadian television).

"thank you for your kindness to America in an hour of need"

"our two peoples are one family, and always will be"

"I proudly ate some Alberta beef last night and I'm still standing"

"The values we hold have made us good neighbors for centuries, and they
will keep us as strong allies and good friends for the centuries to come"

"America respects the skill and honor and the sacrifice of Canada's
armed forces"

"building effective multinational and multilateral institutions and
supporting effective multilateral action" (isn't 'multilateral' a dirty
word in Republican circles?)

"Canadians can be proud of the part you have played in the advance of
human liberty [in Afghanistan]"

"a member of Canada's Parliament said in the 1960s, 'The United States
is our friend, whether we like it or not.'"

"it's not always easy to sleep next to the elephant"

Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
and waited to be attacked:

" In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.

Very clever move to dig that up.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/prim...h4-4068-e.html
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-109-138...30s/1939/clip4

Granted, Bush looked really dopey when he paused after several key
remarks to wait for applause that didn't come, but overall his delivery
was improved over what I've seen before. Expect to see similar speeches
across Europe in the new year as he goes after the Francs and
Deutschmarks he needs to get out from under Iraq.

Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org


wkearney99 wrote:
> His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
> resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
> speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
> inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So instead
> of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot leading
> the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
> really sad.
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>
>>I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>>
>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
>
> today
>
>>>as it was back then.
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
>>>>in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

Apologies in advance for stoking this way off topic thread.

I've certainly been unimpressed by his smug oratory style in the past,
but having heard the speech Bush recently delivered here in Halifax on
his Canadian kiss-and-make-up tour to muster international help for
cleaning up his Iraq mess, I must give him and his writers high marks
for pushing all the right Canuck buttons:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0041201-4.html

"a great vision for the future, two prosperous, independent nations
joined together by the return of NHL hockey"

"There's a prominent citizen who endorsed me in the 2000 election, and I
wanted a chance to finally thank him for that endorsement. I was hoping
to meet Jean Poutine" (Bush showed his utter lack of foreign affairs
savvy in 2000 when a comedian posing as a reporter got him to thank
Prime Minster 'Poutine' on Canadian television).

"thank you for your kindness to America in an hour of need"

"our two peoples are one family, and always will be"

"I proudly ate some Alberta beef last night and I'm still standing"

"The values we hold have made us good neighbors for centuries, and they
will keep us as strong allies and good friends for the centuries to come"

"America respects the skill and honor and the sacrifice of Canada's
armed forces"

"building effective multinational and multilateral institutions and
supporting effective multilateral action" (isn't 'multilateral' a dirty
word in Republican circles?)

"Canadians can be proud of the part you have played in the advance of
human liberty [in Afghanistan]"

"a member of Canada's Parliament said in the 1960s, 'The United States
is our friend, whether we like it or not.'"

"it's not always easy to sleep next to the elephant"

Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
and waited to be attacked:

" In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.

Very clever move to dig that up.

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/prim...h4-4068-e.html
http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-109-138...30s/1939/clip4

Granted, Bush looked really dopey when he paused after several key
remarks to wait for applause that didn't come, but overall his delivery
was improved over what I've seen before. Expect to see similar speeches
across Europe in the new year as he goes after the Francs and
Deutschmarks he needs to get out from under Iraq.

Steve
http://xjeep.dyndns.org


wkearney99 wrote:
> His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
> resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
> speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
> inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So instead
> of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot leading
> the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
> really sad.
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>
>>I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
>>
>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
>
> today
>
>>>as it was back then.
>>>
>>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
>>>>in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

Damn no one reminded him we kicked ass in 1812 ... lol

Snow...

"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:31p0g3F3cr405U1@individual.net...
> Apologies in advance for stoking this way off topic thread.
>
> I've certainly been unimpressed by his smug oratory style in the past,
> but having heard the speech Bush recently delivered here in Halifax on
> his Canadian kiss-and-make-up tour to muster international help for
> cleaning up his Iraq mess, I must give him and his writers high marks
> for pushing all the right Canuck buttons:
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0041201-4.html
>
> "a great vision for the future, two prosperous, independent nations
> joined together by the return of NHL hockey"
>
> "There's a prominent citizen who endorsed me in the 2000 election, and I
> wanted a chance to finally thank him for that endorsement. I was hoping
> to meet Jean Poutine" (Bush showed his utter lack of foreign affairs
> savvy in 2000 when a comedian posing as a reporter got him to thank
> Prime Minster 'Poutine' on Canadian television).
>
> "thank you for your kindness to America in an hour of need"
>
> "our two peoples are one family, and always will be"
>
> "I proudly ate some Alberta beef last night and I'm still standing"
>
> "The values we hold have made us good neighbors for centuries, and they
> will keep us as strong allies and good friends for the centuries to come"
>
> "America respects the skill and honor and the sacrifice of Canada's
> armed forces"
>
> "building effective multinational and multilateral institutions and
> supporting effective multilateral action" (isn't 'multilateral' a dirty
> word in Republican circles?)
>
> "Canadians can be proud of the part you have played in the advance of
> human liberty [in Afghanistan]"
>
> "a member of Canada's Parliament said in the 1960s, 'The United States
> is our friend, whether we like it or not.'"
>
> "it's not always easy to sleep next to the elephant"
>
> Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
> Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
> and waited to be attacked:
>
> " In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
> wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
> enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
> time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
> interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
> gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
> families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
> defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
> should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
> attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
> meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
> he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
> correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.
>
> Very clever move to dig that up.
>
> http://www.collectionscanada.ca/prim...h4-4068-e.html
> http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-109-138...30s/1939/clip4
>
> Granted, Bush looked really dopey when he paused after several key
> remarks to wait for applause that didn't come, but overall his delivery
> was improved over what I've seen before. Expect to see similar speeches
> across Europe in the new year as he goes after the Francs and
> Deutschmarks he needs to get out from under Iraq.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
> > His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
> > resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
> > speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
> > inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So
instead
> > of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot
leading
> > the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
> > really sad.
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >
> >>I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
> >>
> >>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> >
> > today
> >
> >>>as it was back then.
> >>>
> >>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>> Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> >>>>in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

Damn no one reminded him we kicked ass in 1812 ... lol

Snow...

"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:31p0g3F3cr405U1@individual.net...
> Apologies in advance for stoking this way off topic thread.
>
> I've certainly been unimpressed by his smug oratory style in the past,
> but having heard the speech Bush recently delivered here in Halifax on
> his Canadian kiss-and-make-up tour to muster international help for
> cleaning up his Iraq mess, I must give him and his writers high marks
> for pushing all the right Canuck buttons:
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0041201-4.html
>
> "a great vision for the future, two prosperous, independent nations
> joined together by the return of NHL hockey"
>
> "There's a prominent citizen who endorsed me in the 2000 election, and I
> wanted a chance to finally thank him for that endorsement. I was hoping
> to meet Jean Poutine" (Bush showed his utter lack of foreign affairs
> savvy in 2000 when a comedian posing as a reporter got him to thank
> Prime Minster 'Poutine' on Canadian television).
>
> "thank you for your kindness to America in an hour of need"
>
> "our two peoples are one family, and always will be"
>
> "I proudly ate some Alberta beef last night and I'm still standing"
>
> "The values we hold have made us good neighbors for centuries, and they
> will keep us as strong allies and good friends for the centuries to come"
>
> "America respects the skill and honor and the sacrifice of Canada's
> armed forces"
>
> "building effective multinational and multilateral institutions and
> supporting effective multilateral action" (isn't 'multilateral' a dirty
> word in Republican circles?)
>
> "Canadians can be proud of the part you have played in the advance of
> human liberty [in Afghanistan]"
>
> "a member of Canada's Parliament said in the 1960s, 'The United States
> is our friend, whether we like it or not.'"
>
> "it's not always easy to sleep next to the elephant"
>
> Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
> Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
> and waited to be attacked:
>
> " In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
> wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
> enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
> time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
> interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
> gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
> families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
> defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
> should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
> attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
> meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
> he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
> correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.
>
> Very clever move to dig that up.
>
> http://www.collectionscanada.ca/prim...h4-4068-e.html
> http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-109-138...30s/1939/clip4
>
> Granted, Bush looked really dopey when he paused after several key
> remarks to wait for applause that didn't come, but overall his delivery
> was improved over what I've seen before. Expect to see similar speeches
> across Europe in the new year as he goes after the Francs and
> Deutschmarks he needs to get out from under Iraq.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
> > His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
> > resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
> > speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
> > inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So
instead
> > of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot
leading
> > the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
> > really sad.
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >
> >>I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
> >>
> >>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> >
> > today
> >
> >>>as it was back then.
> >>>
> >>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>> Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> >>>>in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

Damn no one reminded him we kicked ass in 1812 ... lol

Snow...

"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:31p0g3F3cr405U1@individual.net...
> Apologies in advance for stoking this way off topic thread.
>
> I've certainly been unimpressed by his smug oratory style in the past,
> but having heard the speech Bush recently delivered here in Halifax on
> his Canadian kiss-and-make-up tour to muster international help for
> cleaning up his Iraq mess, I must give him and his writers high marks
> for pushing all the right Canuck buttons:
>
> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0041201-4.html
>
> "a great vision for the future, two prosperous, independent nations
> joined together by the return of NHL hockey"
>
> "There's a prominent citizen who endorsed me in the 2000 election, and I
> wanted a chance to finally thank him for that endorsement. I was hoping
> to meet Jean Poutine" (Bush showed his utter lack of foreign affairs
> savvy in 2000 when a comedian posing as a reporter got him to thank
> Prime Minster 'Poutine' on Canadian television).
>
> "thank you for your kindness to America in an hour of need"
>
> "our two peoples are one family, and always will be"
>
> "I proudly ate some Alberta beef last night and I'm still standing"
>
> "The values we hold have made us good neighbors for centuries, and they
> will keep us as strong allies and good friends for the centuries to come"
>
> "America respects the skill and honor and the sacrifice of Canada's
> armed forces"
>
> "building effective multinational and multilateral institutions and
> supporting effective multilateral action" (isn't 'multilateral' a dirty
> word in Republican circles?)
>
> "Canadians can be proud of the part you have played in the advance of
> human liberty [in Afghanistan]"
>
> "a member of Canada's Parliament said in the 1960s, 'The United States
> is our friend, whether we like it or not.'"
>
> "it's not always easy to sleep next to the elephant"
>
> Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
> Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
> and waited to be attacked:
>
> " In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
> wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
> enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
> time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
> interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
> gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
> families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
> defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
> should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
> attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
> meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
> he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
> correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.
>
> Very clever move to dig that up.
>
> http://www.collectionscanada.ca/prim...h4-4068-e.html
> http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-109-138...30s/1939/clip4
>
> Granted, Bush looked really dopey when he paused after several key
> remarks to wait for applause that didn't come, but overall his delivery
> was improved over what I've seen before. Expect to see similar speeches
> across Europe in the new year as he goes after the Francs and
> Deutschmarks he needs to get out from under Iraq.
>
> Steve
> http://xjeep.dyndns.org
>
>
> wkearney99 wrote:
> > His speech style is more like "see ---- run" rather than anything even
> > resembling inspirational leadership. It's just pitiful what poor public
> > speaking style he uses. He might have any number of good qualities but
> > inspiring people through public speaking just isn't one of them. So
instead
> > of having a Bush teamed up with a Quayle idiot we just got the idiot
leading
> > the team with his puppetmaster off in an 'undisclosed location'. Sad,
> > really sad.
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:X4rtd.32573$up1.5376@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >
> >>I hope you aren't implyifying that Mr Bush aint no great orator !
> >>
> >>"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >>>Oh how I wish oratory was as important to politicians (and the public)
> >
> > today
> >
> >>>as it was back then.
> >>>
> >>>"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>> Franklin D. Roosevelt's "December 7, 1941, a date which will live
> >>>>in infamy" speech: http://library.educationworld.net/txt14/infamy.wav

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

While true the isolationism was popular in the US prior to WWII, it's
incorrect to assume that the US "waited to be attacked" before it got
involved in the war; it was quite involved prior to officially entering the
war. The US Atlantic Fleet was quite active protecting Lend-Lease shipmaents
to England from German U-boats, a number of such were lost prior to Dec 8
1941. And before and during the Battle of Britain, many US Army Air Corps
pilots were flying in the RAF in England's defense.

I would submit that Canada was actively fighting in the war prior to the
US's official entry mainly because of the closer cultural and political ties
to Great Britain...wasn't the King of England soveriegn in some way over
Canada at the time?

> Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
> Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
> and waited to be attacked:
>
> " In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
> wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
> enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
> time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
> interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
> gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
> families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
> defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
> should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
> attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
> meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
> he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
> correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.
>

Re: OT Less we forget, our American heroes.
 

While true the isolationism was popular in the US prior to WWII, it's
incorrect to assume that the US "waited to be attacked" before it got
involved in the war; it was quite involved prior to officially entering the
war. The US Atlantic Fleet was quite active protecting Lend-Lease shipmaents
to England from German U-boats, a number of such were lost prior to Dec 8
1941. And before and during the Battle of Britain, many US Army Air Corps
pilots were flying in the RAF in England's defense.

I would submit that Canada was actively fighting in the war prior to the
US's official entry mainly because of the closer cultural and political ties
to Great Britain...wasn't the King of England soveriegn in some way over
Canada at the time?

> Probably his best stroke at justifying the Iraq adventure was reminding
> Canadians that they took on the Nazis preemptively while the US stood by
> and waited to be attacked:
>
> " In the early days of World War II, when the United States was still
> wrestling with isolationism, Canadian forces were already engaging the
> enemies of freedom from the Atlantic -- across the Atlantic. At the
> time, some Canadians argued that Canada had not been attacked and had no
> interest in fighting a distant war. Your Prime Minister, McKenzie King,
> gave this answer: "We cannot defend our country and save our homes and
> families by waiting for the enemy to attack us. To remain on the
> defensive is the surest way to bring the war to Canada. Of course, we
> should protect our coasts and strengthen our ports and cities against
> attack," but the Prime Minister went on to say, "we must also go out and
> meet the enemy before he reaches our shores. We must defeat him before
> he attacks us, before our cities are laid to waste." McKenzie King was
> correct then, and we must always remember the wisdom of his words today.
>