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Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Your way, 51 miles:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles: http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z= Plus: http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If > one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega > Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my gut > instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would be > shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain. > > The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period. |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
You're right in the middle of the faults:
http://www.----------.com/temp/corona.jpg Just not our San Andreas. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front > property if things go reasonably well ... |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
You're right in the middle of the faults:
http://www.----------.com/temp/corona.jpg Just not our San Andreas. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front > property if things go reasonably well ... |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
You're right in the middle of the faults:
http://www.----------.com/temp/corona.jpg Just not our San Andreas. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front > property if things go reasonably well ... |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)
Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula: east (82.1 degrees) Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente: west (262.3 degrees) San Clemente, California, US County: Orange County Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W Elevation: 160 feet Temecula, California, US County: Riverside County Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W Elevation: 1006 feet "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:43793E18.EFAA580A@cox.net... > Your way, 51 miles: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= > My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z= > Plus: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If >> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega >> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my >> gut >> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would >> be >> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain. >> >> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period. |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)
Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula: east (82.1 degrees) Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente: west (262.3 degrees) San Clemente, California, US County: Orange County Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W Elevation: 160 feet Temecula, California, US County: Riverside County Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W Elevation: 1006 feet "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:43793E18.EFAA580A@cox.net... > Your way, 51 miles: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= > My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z= > Plus: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If >> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega >> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my >> gut >> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would >> be >> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain. >> >> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period. |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
28 miles (45 km) (24 nautical miles)
Initial heading from San Clemente to Temecula: east (82.1 degrees) Initial heading from Temecula to San Clemente: west (262.3 degrees) San Clemente, California, US County: Orange County Location: 33:26:50N 117:36:40W Elevation: 160 feet Temecula, California, US County: Riverside County Location: 33:30:10N 117:07:44W Elevation: 1006 feet "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:43793E18.EFAA580A@cox.net... > Your way, 51 miles: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= > My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z= > Plus: > http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z= > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Jeff Strickland wrote: >> >> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If >> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega >> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my >> gut >> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would >> be >> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain. >> >> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period. |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast.... or both? "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net... > Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach > front property if things go reasonably well ... > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca... >> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely >> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-) >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> >>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in >>> my >>> backyard, literally. >>> >>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a >>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake >>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go >>> all of >>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very >>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that >>> gets >>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to >>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a >>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and >>> back >>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people >>> don't >>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in >>> San >>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go >>> 40 >>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another >>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening >>> and >>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is >>> a >>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the >>> mountain range. >>> >>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 >>> along >>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very >>> long >>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and >>> when it >>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, >>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel >>> is >>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of >>> the >>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. >>> >>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem >>> to >>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I >>> think >>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with >>> money. >>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. >>> >>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... >>> > Bill, >>> > >>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? >>> > > |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast.... or both? "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net... > Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach > front property if things go reasonably well ... > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca... >> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely >> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-) >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> >>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in >>> my >>> backyard, literally. >>> >>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a >>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake >>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go >>> all of >>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very >>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that >>> gets >>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to >>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a >>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and >>> back >>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people >>> don't >>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in >>> San >>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go >>> 40 >>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another >>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening >>> and >>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is >>> a >>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the >>> mountain range. >>> >>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 >>> along >>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very >>> long >>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and >>> when it >>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, >>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel >>> is >>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of >>> the >>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. >>> >>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem >>> to >>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I >>> think >>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with >>> money. >>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. >>> >>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... >>> > Bill, >>> > >>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? >>> > > |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
If the New Madrid Fault is the site of the BIG one I might have beachfront
property. The question is.... will it be the new east or west coast.... or both? "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:NZ6dnawfnvGNpeTeRVn-gA@ez2.net... > Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach > front property if things go reasonably well ... > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca... >> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely >> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-) >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Jeff Strickland wrote: >>> >>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in >>> my >>> backyard, literally. >>> >>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a >>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake >>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go >>> all of >>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very >>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that >>> gets >>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to >>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a >>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and >>> back >>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people >>> don't >>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in >>> San >>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go >>> 40 >>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another >>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening >>> and >>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is >>> a >>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the >>> mountain range. >>> >>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 >>> along >>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very >>> long >>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and >>> when it >>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, >>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel >>> is >>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of >>> the >>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. >>> >>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem >>> to >>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I >>> think >>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with >>> money. >>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. >>> >>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... >>> > Bill, >>> > >>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? >>> > > |
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