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OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Bill,
What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles:
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Billy Ray wrote: > > Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles:
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Billy Ray wrote: > > Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles:
http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Billy Ray wrote: > > Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the
Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San Clemente to Temecula: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1306807 "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles: > http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused > tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have > no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San > Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be > wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Billy Ray wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the
Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San Clemente to Temecula: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1306807 "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles: > http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused > tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have > no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San > Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be > wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Billy Ray wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the
Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San Clemente to Temecula: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1306807 "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote: > > I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles: > http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused > tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have > no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San > Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be > wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Billy Ray wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Billy Ray wrote:
> Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > > Actually, there's two of them in consideration. One would go from roughly Glendale to Palmdale, circumventing the "dogleg" of the Northwest on the 5 to Northeast on the 14 route. There's an awful lot of traffic every day that goes an awful lot of extra miles to go around the mountains. The other is along the route of the Ortega Highway, State Rt. 74 between roughly Lake Elsinore to San Juan Capistrano. I don't know much about this one, but I recall something about them looking at a tunnel. 74 is a narow mountain road with lots of curves and grades. As for being a fault zone....well that pretty much covers all of California, not to mention coastal Oregon and Washington. I just remember that when the quake hit in the Bay Area, the bridge fell apart, but BART continued to run under the bay! Another tidbit: For about 30 years, there has been a fight about completing the last few miles of the North end of the 710 through South Pasadena to connect with the 134/210. NIMBY problems, folks not wanting to divide old neighborhoods, etc. Recently, they figured out that with today's tunneling technology, and the price of the real estate, it would be cheaper to tunnel under the houses than to buy them up! Best Regards, DAve |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Billy Ray wrote:
> Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > > Actually, there's two of them in consideration. One would go from roughly Glendale to Palmdale, circumventing the "dogleg" of the Northwest on the 5 to Northeast on the 14 route. There's an awful lot of traffic every day that goes an awful lot of extra miles to go around the mountains. The other is along the route of the Ortega Highway, State Rt. 74 between roughly Lake Elsinore to San Juan Capistrano. I don't know much about this one, but I recall something about them looking at a tunnel. 74 is a narow mountain road with lots of curves and grades. As for being a fault zone....well that pretty much covers all of California, not to mention coastal Oregon and Washington. I just remember that when the quake hit in the Bay Area, the bridge fell apart, but BART continued to run under the bay! Another tidbit: For about 30 years, there has been a fight about completing the last few miles of the North end of the 710 through South Pasadena to connect with the 134/210. NIMBY problems, folks not wanting to divide old neighborhoods, etc. Recently, they figured out that with today's tunneling technology, and the price of the real estate, it would be cheaper to tunnel under the houses than to buy them up! Best Regards, DAve |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
Billy Ray wrote:
> Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > > Actually, there's two of them in consideration. One would go from roughly Glendale to Palmdale, circumventing the "dogleg" of the Northwest on the 5 to Northeast on the 14 route. There's an awful lot of traffic every day that goes an awful lot of extra miles to go around the mountains. The other is along the route of the Ortega Highway, State Rt. 74 between roughly Lake Elsinore to San Juan Capistrano. I don't know much about this one, but I recall something about them looking at a tunnel. 74 is a narow mountain road with lots of curves and grades. As for being a fault zone....well that pretty much covers all of California, not to mention coastal Oregon and Washington. I just remember that when the quake hit in the Bay Area, the bridge fell apart, but BART continued to run under the bay! Another tidbit: For about 30 years, there has been a fight about completing the last few miles of the North end of the 710 through South Pasadena to connect with the 134/210. NIMBY problems, folks not wanting to divide old neighborhoods, etc. Recently, they figured out that with today's tunneling technology, and the price of the real estate, it would be cheaper to tunnel under the houses than to buy them up! Best Regards, DAve |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:16:21 -0500, "Billy Ray"
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >Bill, > >What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration? It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the Pasadena area. .... |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:16:21 -0500, "Billy Ray"
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >Bill, > >What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration? It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the Pasadena area. .... |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:16:21 -0500, "Billy Ray"
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote: >Bill, > >What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > Maybe it's the proposed high speed train under consideration? It will have a tunnel through parts of the mountains north of the Pasadena area. .... |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
backyard, literally. They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40 miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the mountain range. There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money. Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... > Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
backyard, literally. They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40 miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the mountain range. There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money. Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... > Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
backyard, literally. They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40 miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the mountain range. There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money. Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... > Bill, > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4376B24B.42926264@cox.net... > Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the > Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San > Clemente to Temecula: Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ... |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4376B24B.42926264@cox.net... > Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the > Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San > Clemente to Temecula: Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ... |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4376B24B.42926264@cox.net... > Geez, there's barely a mountain there. It's scenic though, the > Greenies must be in the way of widening the two lane going from San > Clemente to Temecula: Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ... |
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Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not
sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time off I'll be visiting Long Beach. Snow... http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4376A903.FB228AB9@cox.net... > I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles: > http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused > tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have > no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San > Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be > wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Billy Ray wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT:
Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not
sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time off I'll be visiting Long Beach. Snow... http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4376A903.FB228AB9@cox.net... > I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles: > http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused > tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have > no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San > Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be > wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Billy Ray wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: OT:
Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not
sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time off I'll be visiting Long Beach. Snow... http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:4376A903.FB228AB9@cox.net... > I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles: > http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused > tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have > no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San > Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be > wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor? > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Billy Ray wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway >> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jeff Strickland wrote: > > I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my > backyard, literally. > > They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a > moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake > Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of > the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very > useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets > something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to > almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a > half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back > again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't > want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San > Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40 > miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another > east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and > improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a > National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the > mountain range. > > There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along > the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long > time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it > decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, > within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is > not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the > tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. > > So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to > be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think > both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money. > Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... > > Bill, > > > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > > |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jeff Strickland wrote: > > I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my > backyard, literally. > > They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a > moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake > Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of > the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very > useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets > something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to > almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a > half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back > again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't > want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San > Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40 > miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another > east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and > improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a > National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the > mountain range. > > There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along > the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long > time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it > decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, > within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is > not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the > tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. > > So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to > be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think > both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money. > Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... > > Bill, > > > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > > |
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So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-) Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) Jeff Strickland wrote: > > I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my > backyard, literally. > > They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a > moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake > Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of > the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very > useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets > something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to > almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a > half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back > again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't > want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San > Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40 > miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another > east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and > improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a > National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the > mountain range. > > There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along > the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long > time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it > decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault, > within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is > not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the > tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it. > > So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to > be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think > both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money. > Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars. > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET... > > Bill, > > > > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway > > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA? > > |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El
Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps with emergency vehicle gates. Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be insane -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El
Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps with emergency vehicle gates. Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be insane -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El
Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps with emergency vehicle gates. Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be insane -- Stupendous Man, Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
shortest route to Temecula. ;-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ... |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
shortest route to Temecula. ;-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ... |
Re: OT: Jeep traffic in Calif
That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
shortest route to Temecula. ;-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ... |
Re: OT:
Long Beach is owned by China.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Snow wrote: > > Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not > sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time > off I'll be visiting Long Beach. > > Snow... > http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en |
Re: OT:
Long Beach is owned by China.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Snow wrote: > > Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not > sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time > off I'll be visiting Long Beach. > > Snow... > http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en |
Re: OT:
Long Beach is owned by China.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Snow wrote: > > Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not > sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time > off I'll be visiting Long Beach. > > Snow... > http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
Maybe it's my ten of sixty three years as a commercial drive, I
spent driving through Shakies. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my > backyard, literally. ><snip> |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
Maybe it's my ten of sixty three years as a commercial drive, I
spent driving through Shakies. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my > backyard, literally. ><snip> |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
Maybe it's my ten of sixty three years as a commercial drive, I
spent driving through Shakies. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Jeff Strickland wrote: > > I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my > backyard, literally. ><snip> |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I used to drive that route, twice a day ten hours each. I fueled at
El Toro, but turn up fourteen, before Castaic, for Mojave where I loaded cement power, for San Diego: http://www.----------.com/white.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Stupendous Man wrote: > > I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El > Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps > with emergency vehicle gates. > Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be > insane > -- > Stupendous Man, > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I used to drive that route, twice a day ten hours each. I fueled at
El Toro, but turn up fourteen, before Castaic, for Mojave where I loaded cement power, for San Diego: http://www.----------.com/white.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Stupendous Man wrote: > > I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El > Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps > with emergency vehicle gates. > Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be > insane > -- > Stupendous Man, > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
Re: Jeep traffic in Calif
I used to drive that route, twice a day ten hours each. I fueled at
El Toro, but turn up fourteen, before Castaic, for Mojave where I loaded cement power, for San Diego: http://www.----------.com/white.jpg God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- Stupendous Man wrote: > > I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El > Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps > with emergency vehicle gates. > Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be > insane > -- > Stupendous Man, > Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty |
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