Dave Milne

remember they still cost us more than you pay.

Dave

"twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> Nice problem to have! ;)
>
> tw
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its like
the
> > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> >
> >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You have
> >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> >>
> >>tw
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ ___________________
> 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
>
> "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> __________________________________________________ ___________________

Earle Horton

Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle. This
is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I did
see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
owned by a diplomat.

A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
Cherokees.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> remember they still cost us more than you pay.
>
> Dave
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > Nice problem to have! ;)
> >
> > tw
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
like
> the
> > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >
> > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > >
> > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
have
> > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > >>
> > >>tw
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >
> > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> >
> > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> >
> > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
>

Earle Horton

Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle. This
is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I did
see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
owned by a diplomat.

A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
Cherokees.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> remember they still cost us more than you pay.
>
> Dave
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > Nice problem to have! ;)
> >
> > tw
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
like
> the
> > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >
> > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > >
> > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
have
> > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > >>
> > >>tw
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >
> > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> >
> > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> >
> > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
>

Earle Horton

Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle. This
is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I did
see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
owned by a diplomat.

A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
Cherokees.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> remember they still cost us more than you pay.
>
> Dave
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > Nice problem to have! ;)
> >
> > tw
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
like
> the
> > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >
> > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > >
> > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
have
> > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > >>
> > >>tw
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >
> > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> >
> > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> >
> > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
>

Earle Horton

Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle. This
is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I did
see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
owned by a diplomat.

A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
Cherokees.

Earle

"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> remember they still cost us more than you pay.
>
> Dave
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > Nice problem to have! ;)
> >
> > tw
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
like
> the
> > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >
> > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > >
> > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
have
> > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > >>
> > >>tw
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> >
> > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> >
> > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> >
> > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > __________________________________________________ ___________________
>
>

Dave Milne

Yes, lots of Grand Cherokees and Cherokees which don't hold their value at
all well. Wranglers on the other hand are rare and do hold their value well.
UK trucks are mainly Land Rover Defenders (used by utility people and
farmers), Discos, Toyota Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols for the school run.
And a few Isuzu Troopers - my Dad has one and it is a nice solid truck I
think.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
news:vuSdnUx6makBUCXYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
> around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle.
This
> is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
> in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
> or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I
did
> see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
> owned by a diplomat.
>
> A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
> here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
> seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
> Cherokees.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > remember they still cost us more than you pay.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > > Nice problem to have! ;)
> > >
> > > tw
> > >
> > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
> like
> > the
> > > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > >
> > > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > > >
> > > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
> have
> > > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > > >>
> > > >>tw
> > >
> > > --
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> > >
> > > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> > >
> > > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> > >
> > > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

Yes, lots of Grand Cherokees and Cherokees which don't hold their value at
all well. Wranglers on the other hand are rare and do hold their value well.
UK trucks are mainly Land Rover Defenders (used by utility people and
farmers), Discos, Toyota Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols for the school run.
And a few Isuzu Troopers - my Dad has one and it is a nice solid truck I
think.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
news:vuSdnUx6makBUCXYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
> around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle.
This
> is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
> in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
> or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I
did
> see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
> owned by a diplomat.
>
> A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
> here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
> seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
> Cherokees.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > remember they still cost us more than you pay.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > > Nice problem to have! ;)
> > >
> > > tw
> > >
> > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
> like
> > the
> > > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > >
> > > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > > >
> > > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
> have
> > > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > > >>
> > > >>tw
> > >
> > > --
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> > >
> > > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> > >
> > > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> > >
> > > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

Yes, lots of Grand Cherokees and Cherokees which don't hold their value at
all well. Wranglers on the other hand are rare and do hold their value well.
UK trucks are mainly Land Rover Defenders (used by utility people and
farmers), Discos, Toyota Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols for the school run.
And a few Isuzu Troopers - my Dad has one and it is a nice solid truck I
think.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
news:vuSdnUx6makBUCXYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
> around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle.
This
> is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
> in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
> or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I
did
> see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
> owned by a diplomat.
>
> A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
> here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
> seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
> Cherokees.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > remember they still cost us more than you pay.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > > Nice problem to have! ;)
> > >
> > > tw
> > >
> > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
> like
> > the
> > > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > >
> > > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > > >
> > > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
> have
> > > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > > >>
> > > >>tw
> > >
> > > --
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> > >
> > > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> > >
> > > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> > >
> > > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> >
> >
>
>

Dave Milne

Yes, lots of Grand Cherokees and Cherokees which don't hold their value at
all well. Wranglers on the other hand are rare and do hold their value well.
UK trucks are mainly Land Rover Defenders (used by utility people and
farmers), Discos, Toyota Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols for the school run.
And a few Isuzu Troopers - my Dad has one and it is a nice solid truck I
think.

Dave

"Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
news:vuSdnUx6makBUCXYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
> around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle.
This
> is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
> in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
> or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I
did
> see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
> owned by a diplomat.
>
> A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
> here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
> seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
> Cherokees.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder.co .uk...
> > remember they still cost us more than you pay.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > news:I8Rth.3638$JB.1040@trnddc05...
> > > Nice problem to have! ;)
> > >
> > > tw
> > >
> > > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > > I have a strong suspicion that all the ones over here are D35s. Its
> like
> > the
> > > > Wrangler - you can't buy one that *doesn't* have a D44.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > >
> > > > "twaldron" <twaldron@OBVIOUSspam.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:wiJth.3576$JB.3309@trnddc05...
> > > >
> > > >>They still also put D35s in after 2000. My 2001 came with one. You
> have
> > > >>to hunt and peck for one, but they're there.
> > > >>
> > > >>tw
> > >
> > > --
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> > > 2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
> > >
> > > "There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
> > >
> > > Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
> > >
> > > Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> > > A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
> > > capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
> > > __________________________________________________ ___________________
> >
> >
>
>

twaldron

It's kind of the same over here. The Wranglers do seem to hold their
value pretty well in comparison...Cherokees and GCs, not so well. You
should see what the insane prices are on the Defender 90s that we got
here between 1994-1997. These are STILL going for over $30-40k used with
lots of miles, about what they stickered for and more. Once they
announced there would be no 1998s, the remaining 1997s instantly went
for $10k over sticker, as did the used ones. Crazy.

tw

Dave Milne wrote:
> Yes, lots of Grand Cherokees and Cherokees which don't hold their value at
> all well. Wranglers on the other hand are rare and do hold their value well.
> UK trucks are mainly Land Rover Defenders (used by utility people and
> farmers), Discos, Toyota Land Cruisers, Nissan Patrols for the school run.
> And a few Isuzu Troopers - my Dad has one and it is a nice solid truck I
> think.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle@vascongado.usa> wrote in message
> news:vuSdnUx6makBUCXYnZ2dnUVZ_hmtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>>Volvo has a deal where Americans can go to Europe, buy a new car, drive it
>>around a while and then have it shipped to the U.S. as a used vehicle.
>
> This
>
>>is supposed to save a lot on new vehicle state sales tax and import duties
>>in the U.S. I don't know if any American manufacturer has a similar deal,
>>or if our cars even meet your various emissions and safety standards. I
>
> did
>
>>see a Ford Excursion on the streets of Vitoria, ES, but it could have been
>>owned by a diplomat.
>>
>>A Ford Explorer is a run of the mill, ordinary, everyday vehicle around
>>here. I imagine that in Europe it would be somewhat special. There did
>>seem to be an awful lot of Jeeps though, many of them Grand Cherokees or
>>Cherokees.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
>>news:IUZth.139854$QY6.34404@fe1.news.blueyonder. co.uk...
>>
>>>remember they still cost us more than you pay.
>>>
>>>Dave

--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco

"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."

Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________