OT: Firearms Manufacturer Question
#81
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Re: Firearms Manufacturer Question
Except it was around right after the Civil War, when everything
else was cap ball muzzle loaded. I sure you see a couple of old westerns
where the Sharps: http://www.emf-company.com/1874-sharps-rifle.htm or
Henry were mentioned:
http://www.researchpress.co.uk/targe...andyhook03.htm
My ROTC training was with an 1903 springfield 30-06, where we could
raised the sight about three inches off the breach:
http://froogle.gunbroker.com/Auction...?Item=32724188
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Rusted wrote:
>
> It is intereseting to compare the ballistics of teh 45-70 to a 30-06.
>
> http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/ballistics.htm
>
> The good ol '06 has much more energy and velocity than the 45. And much
> less drop. At 500 yards the 45 has dropped 18-25 feet. It sure would be
> hard to hit anything out at that distance. I think the 45 would compare to
> a bowling ball better than anything. HA
else was cap ball muzzle loaded. I sure you see a couple of old westerns
where the Sharps: http://www.emf-company.com/1874-sharps-rifle.htm or
Henry were mentioned:
http://www.researchpress.co.uk/targe...andyhook03.htm
My ROTC training was with an 1903 springfield 30-06, where we could
raised the sight about three inches off the breach:
http://froogle.gunbroker.com/Auction...?Item=32724188
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Rusted wrote:
>
> It is intereseting to compare the ballistics of teh 45-70 to a 30-06.
>
> http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/ballistics.htm
>
> The good ol '06 has much more energy and velocity than the 45. And much
> less drop. At 500 yards the 45 has dropped 18-25 feet. It sure would be
> hard to hit anything out at that distance. I think the 45 would compare to
> a bowling ball better than anything. HA
#82
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Re: OT: Firearms Manufacturer Question
You are going to use it as an tactical entry weapon? Well then that changes
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
#83
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Re: OT: Firearms Manufacturer Question
You are going to use it as an tactical entry weapon? Well then that changes
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
#84
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Re: OT: Firearms Manufacturer Question
You are going to use it as an tactical entry weapon? Well then that changes
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
#85
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Re: OT: Firearms Manufacturer Question
You are going to use it as an tactical entry weapon? Well then that changes
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a
shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and
accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the
range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.
My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking
sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.
The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places.
The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.
The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We
had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building
for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga...
>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It
>will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have
>a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be
>good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I
>would go with the .308
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
>> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
>> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
>> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>> a
>>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter
>>> than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a
>>> Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more
>>> than
>>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Ô¿Ô
>
>
#86
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Re: Firearms Manufacturer Question
One reason is the MP5 is a submachine gun. For me to own it, I would have
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
#87
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Re: Firearms Manufacturer Question
One reason is the MP5 is a submachine gun. For me to own it, I would have
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
#88
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Re: Firearms Manufacturer Question
One reason is the MP5 is a submachine gun. For me to own it, I would have
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
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Re: Firearms Manufacturer Question
One reason is the MP5 is a submachine gun. For me to own it, I would have
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster
AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Brian" <b_heller@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:b_heller-CEB551.14554611062005@news.verizon.net...
> In article <NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga>,
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house
>> searches.
>>
>
> For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your
> pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
>
> B
>
> --
> Brian Heller
>
> It is easier to tame wild beasts
> than to conquer the human mind.
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Re: Firearms Manufacturer Question
in article gKLqe.1189$eL5.585@fe04.lga, Patrick Ô¿Ô at
patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/11/05 5:55 PM:
> I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
> the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
> Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
> areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
> from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
> The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
> good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
I wish you could try an M1a Bush Rifle (no longer sold by Springfield Arms,
but the Scout Squad is the same thing basically). It is much lighter and
handier than a full-size M14. On the other hand, for entry work the short
AR is hard to beat, and against people ONLY the .223 is an effective
cartridge.
-jeff
patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/11/05 5:55 PM:
> I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as
> the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800.
> Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded
> areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made
> from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR.
> The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did
> good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
I wish you could try an M1a Bush Rifle (no longer sold by Springfield Arms,
but the Scout Squad is the same thing basically). It is much lighter and
handier than a full-size M14. On the other hand, for entry work the short
AR is hard to beat, and against people ONLY the .223 is an effective
cartridge.
-jeff