Patrick Ô¿Ô

I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It will
be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have a
shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be good
for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I would
go with the .308

Patrick
Ô¿Ô

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42AA3B81.414793F8@***.net...
> Get a Real rifle, a 30-06 rather that puny 7 mm. Maybe a Remington
> based on a BAR sold for less than four hundred bucks:
> http://www.chuckhawks.com/remington_7400.htm
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" wrote:
>>
>> I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and a
>> good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
>>
>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>> River
>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter than
>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a Bushmaster.
>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make
>> competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more than
>> the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
>>
>> Patrick
>> Ô¿Ô

Patrick Ô¿Ô

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11akjjr69rph76f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
> news:yeqqe.17720$mZ2.7652@fe07.lga...
>>I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and a
>>good sugestion
>
> :-) thank you.
>
>
>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>> River Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money.
>
> out of curiosity, is this the same individual who is trying to sell you
> one?

Yes, he is a dealer and will sell me any brand I want, he said it is up to
me, he just thinks RRA is a better weapon.

>
>
>> He says the RRA is tighter than Bushmaster and Colt.
>
> a rock river is a fine rifle, but given the choice i would buy the
> bushmaster. ive owned a half dozen colt ar15s and will never own another
> one. ive owned 2 bushmasters (still have 1) and it is in my opinion the
> finest ar15 ever built. after literally tens of thousands of rounds it
> has _never_ jammed. not once. when i take it out i shoot 1000 rounds and
> in one day i shot nearly 2000 rounds without stopping to clean it at any
> point in between and it never failed to feed or fire. my first bushmaster
> jammed a few times but i finally determined it was a defective US surplus
> magazine. after throwing it away i never jammed that rifle either and i
> eventually sold it to one of my brothers.
>
> THAT SAID, what is the purpose? my AR is fun to plink with. it is the
> most accurate automatic rifle ive ever owned. golf ***** at 100 yards (on
> a dark background) are easy to pick off. prairie dogs are easy to pick
> off at most any range where you can still see them. if it were a matter
> of personal protection though, id much rather have my winchester defender
> 1300 http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=766 loaded with
> buckshot.

It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house searches.
I have a Glock as my duty and a baby Glock for a backup. The AR is when it
all hits the fan. I want to be able to do a headshot from some distance,
without hitting anything else. It will have a colapsable (sp?) stock, and a
shorter barrel, haven't decided on length yet, probably around 14 - 16
inches. I will go with the .223 which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. If it
was going to be a sniper setup, I would go with a 20" heavy barrel .308, but
I am right now going to try to keep the weight and size down.

The RRA he quoted is 800, which is the M-4 style step barrel, with the
removable handle. The Bushmaster is 785, M-4 without the removeable handle.
It will be loaded with teflon coated ammunition, which is standard issue
duty ammo. If it gets really bad, we have several .308 M-14's which are
military surplus, and also 2 M-16's in the department. We are qualifying
with the M-14's tomorrow, and I will also use someone elses AR-15 to
quallify with, as well as a M-16, just in case.

Patrick
Ô¿Ô

Patrick Ô¿Ô

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11akjjr69rph76f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
> news:yeqqe.17720$mZ2.7652@fe07.lga...
>>I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and a
>>good sugestion
>
> :-) thank you.
>
>
>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>> River Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money.
>
> out of curiosity, is this the same individual who is trying to sell you
> one?

Yes, he is a dealer and will sell me any brand I want, he said it is up to
me, he just thinks RRA is a better weapon.

>
>
>> He says the RRA is tighter than Bushmaster and Colt.
>
> a rock river is a fine rifle, but given the choice i would buy the
> bushmaster. ive owned a half dozen colt ar15s and will never own another
> one. ive owned 2 bushmasters (still have 1) and it is in my opinion the
> finest ar15 ever built. after literally tens of thousands of rounds it
> has _never_ jammed. not once. when i take it out i shoot 1000 rounds and
> in one day i shot nearly 2000 rounds without stopping to clean it at any
> point in between and it never failed to feed or fire. my first bushmaster
> jammed a few times but i finally determined it was a defective US surplus
> magazine. after throwing it away i never jammed that rifle either and i
> eventually sold it to one of my brothers.
>
> THAT SAID, what is the purpose? my AR is fun to plink with. it is the
> most accurate automatic rifle ive ever owned. golf ***** at 100 yards (on
> a dark background) are easy to pick off. prairie dogs are easy to pick
> off at most any range where you can still see them. if it were a matter
> of personal protection though, id much rather have my winchester defender
> 1300 http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=766 loaded with
> buckshot.

It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house searches.
I have a Glock as my duty and a baby Glock for a backup. The AR is when it
all hits the fan. I want to be able to do a headshot from some distance,
without hitting anything else. It will have a colapsable (sp?) stock, and a
shorter barrel, haven't decided on length yet, probably around 14 - 16
inches. I will go with the .223 which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. If it
was going to be a sniper setup, I would go with a 20" heavy barrel .308, but
I am right now going to try to keep the weight and size down.

The RRA he quoted is 800, which is the M-4 style step barrel, with the
removable handle. The Bushmaster is 785, M-4 without the removeable handle.
It will be loaded with teflon coated ammunition, which is standard issue
duty ammo. If it gets really bad, we have several .308 M-14's which are
military surplus, and also 2 M-16's in the department. We are qualifying
with the M-14's tomorrow, and I will also use someone elses AR-15 to
quallify with, as well as a M-16, just in case.

Patrick
Ô¿Ô

Patrick Ô¿Ô

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11akjjr69rph76f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
> news:yeqqe.17720$mZ2.7652@fe07.lga...
>>I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and a
>>good sugestion
>
> :-) thank you.
>
>
>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>> River Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money.
>
> out of curiosity, is this the same individual who is trying to sell you
> one?

Yes, he is a dealer and will sell me any brand I want, he said it is up to
me, he just thinks RRA is a better weapon.

>
>
>> He says the RRA is tighter than Bushmaster and Colt.
>
> a rock river is a fine rifle, but given the choice i would buy the
> bushmaster. ive owned a half dozen colt ar15s and will never own another
> one. ive owned 2 bushmasters (still have 1) and it is in my opinion the
> finest ar15 ever built. after literally tens of thousands of rounds it
> has _never_ jammed. not once. when i take it out i shoot 1000 rounds and
> in one day i shot nearly 2000 rounds without stopping to clean it at any
> point in between and it never failed to feed or fire. my first bushmaster
> jammed a few times but i finally determined it was a defective US surplus
> magazine. after throwing it away i never jammed that rifle either and i
> eventually sold it to one of my brothers.
>
> THAT SAID, what is the purpose? my AR is fun to plink with. it is the
> most accurate automatic rifle ive ever owned. golf ***** at 100 yards (on
> a dark background) are easy to pick off. prairie dogs are easy to pick
> off at most any range where you can still see them. if it were a matter
> of personal protection though, id much rather have my winchester defender
> 1300 http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=766 loaded with
> buckshot.

It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house searches.
I have a Glock as my duty and a baby Glock for a backup. The AR is when it
all hits the fan. I want to be able to do a headshot from some distance,
without hitting anything else. It will have a colapsable (sp?) stock, and a
shorter barrel, haven't decided on length yet, probably around 14 - 16
inches. I will go with the .223 which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. If it
was going to be a sniper setup, I would go with a 20" heavy barrel .308, but
I am right now going to try to keep the weight and size down.

The RRA he quoted is 800, which is the M-4 style step barrel, with the
removable handle. The Bushmaster is 785, M-4 without the removeable handle.
It will be loaded with teflon coated ammunition, which is standard issue
duty ammo. If it gets really bad, we have several .308 M-14's which are
military surplus, and also 2 M-16's in the department. We are qualifying
with the M-14's tomorrow, and I will also use someone elses AR-15 to
quallify with, as well as a M-16, just in case.

Patrick
Ô¿Ô

Patrick Ô¿Ô

"Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11akjjr69rph76f@corp.supernews.com...
> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
> news:yeqqe.17720$mZ2.7652@fe07.lga...
>>I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and a
>>good sugestion
>
> :-) thank you.
>
>
>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>> River Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money.
>
> out of curiosity, is this the same individual who is trying to sell you
> one?

Yes, he is a dealer and will sell me any brand I want, he said it is up to
me, he just thinks RRA is a better weapon.

>
>
>> He says the RRA is tighter than Bushmaster and Colt.
>
> a rock river is a fine rifle, but given the choice i would buy the
> bushmaster. ive owned a half dozen colt ar15s and will never own another
> one. ive owned 2 bushmasters (still have 1) and it is in my opinion the
> finest ar15 ever built. after literally tens of thousands of rounds it
> has _never_ jammed. not once. when i take it out i shoot 1000 rounds and
> in one day i shot nearly 2000 rounds without stopping to clean it at any
> point in between and it never failed to feed or fire. my first bushmaster
> jammed a few times but i finally determined it was a defective US surplus
> magazine. after throwing it away i never jammed that rifle either and i
> eventually sold it to one of my brothers.
>
> THAT SAID, what is the purpose? my AR is fun to plink with. it is the
> most accurate automatic rifle ive ever owned. golf ***** at 100 yards (on
> a dark background) are easy to pick off. prairie dogs are easy to pick
> off at most any range where you can still see them. if it were a matter
> of personal protection though, id much rather have my winchester defender
> 1300 http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=766 loaded with
> buckshot.

It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house searches.
I have a Glock as my duty and a baby Glock for a backup. The AR is when it
all hits the fan. I want to be able to do a headshot from some distance,
without hitting anything else. It will have a colapsable (sp?) stock, and a
shorter barrel, haven't decided on length yet, probably around 14 - 16
inches. I will go with the .223 which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. If it
was going to be a sniper setup, I would go with a 20" heavy barrel .308, but
I am right now going to try to keep the weight and size down.

The RRA he quoted is 800, which is the M-4 style step barrel, with the
removable handle. The Bushmaster is 785, M-4 without the removeable handle.
It will be loaded with teflon coated ammunition, which is standard issue
duty ammo. If it gets really bad, we have several .308 M-14's which are
military surplus, and also 2 M-16's in the department. We are qualifying
with the M-14's tomorrow, and I will also use someone elses AR-15 to
quallify with, as well as a M-16, just in case.

Patrick
Ô¿Ô

Jeff Olsen

in article vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga, Patrick Ô¿Ô at
patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/10/05 7:59 PM:

> I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It will
> be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have a
> shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock.

>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says?

I had a Bushmaster for a while that was an excellent rifle. I'd probably
buy a Bushy if I were you, because it will be easier to trade off or sell if
you change your mind, as well as being assured of compatibility with parts
from the biggest maker of AR parts: Bushmaster. And, in an AR intended to
be used as you describe, the M4 is the way to go IMHO.

I traded mine off towards a Springfield M1a Bush rifle. That's the shorter,
lighter, .308 caliber, M14 copy. I absolutely love that rifle, shoot it all
the time. I felt I needed a bigger caliber than .223 for general property
defense, as well as "come the revolution" when the religious right tries to
take over for real <g>, since i live in the woods and have livestock and
there are cougar and bear around.

I will buy another AR if or when uppers in 6.8mm SPC become available. THAT
would be useful. An M4 in that caliber would rock. On balance, I feel that
the AR platform is too big and clunky to justify spitting out a .22-
caliber, 60-grain bullet. I'd rather have a Mini-14, frankly, if I was
stuck with .223. Or, as I said above, I think for my need the M1a Bush
rifle is superb.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

in article vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga, Patrick Ô¿Ô at
patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/10/05 7:59 PM:

> I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It will
> be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have a
> shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock.

>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says?

I had a Bushmaster for a while that was an excellent rifle. I'd probably
buy a Bushy if I were you, because it will be easier to trade off or sell if
you change your mind, as well as being assured of compatibility with parts
from the biggest maker of AR parts: Bushmaster. And, in an AR intended to
be used as you describe, the M4 is the way to go IMHO.

I traded mine off towards a Springfield M1a Bush rifle. That's the shorter,
lighter, .308 caliber, M14 copy. I absolutely love that rifle, shoot it all
the time. I felt I needed a bigger caliber than .223 for general property
defense, as well as "come the revolution" when the religious right tries to
take over for real <g>, since i live in the woods and have livestock and
there are cougar and bear around.

I will buy another AR if or when uppers in 6.8mm SPC become available. THAT
would be useful. An M4 in that caliber would rock. On balance, I feel that
the AR platform is too big and clunky to justify spitting out a .22-
caliber, 60-grain bullet. I'd rather have a Mini-14, frankly, if I was
stuck with .223. Or, as I said above, I think for my need the M1a Bush
rifle is superb.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

in article vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga, Patrick Ô¿Ô at
patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/10/05 7:59 PM:

> I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It will
> be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have a
> shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock.

>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says?

I had a Bushmaster for a while that was an excellent rifle. I'd probably
buy a Bushy if I were you, because it will be easier to trade off or sell if
you change your mind, as well as being assured of compatibility with parts
from the biggest maker of AR parts: Bushmaster. And, in an AR intended to
be used as you describe, the M4 is the way to go IMHO.

I traded mine off towards a Springfield M1a Bush rifle. That's the shorter,
lighter, .308 caliber, M14 copy. I absolutely love that rifle, shoot it all
the time. I felt I needed a bigger caliber than .223 for general property
defense, as well as "come the revolution" when the religious right tries to
take over for real <g>, since i live in the woods and have livestock and
there are cougar and bear around.

I will buy another AR if or when uppers in 6.8mm SPC become available. THAT
would be useful. An M4 in that caliber would rock. On balance, I feel that
the AR platform is too big and clunky to justify spitting out a .22-
caliber, 60-grain bullet. I'd rather have a Mini-14, frankly, if I was
stuck with .223. Or, as I said above, I think for my need the M1a Bush
rifle is superb.

-jeff

Jeff Olsen

in article vssqe.1184$Ub4.995@fe06.lga, Patrick Ô¿Ô at
patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/10/05 7:59 PM:

> I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It will
> be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have a
> shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock.

>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River
>>> Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter than
>>> Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a Bushmaster.
>>> Does anyone know if these are as good as he says?

I had a Bushmaster for a while that was an excellent rifle. I'd probably
buy a Bushy if I were you, because it will be easier to trade off or sell if
you change your mind, as well as being assured of compatibility with parts
from the biggest maker of AR parts: Bushmaster. And, in an AR intended to
be used as you describe, the M4 is the way to go IMHO.

I traded mine off towards a Springfield M1a Bush rifle. That's the shorter,
lighter, .308 caliber, M14 copy. I absolutely love that rifle, shoot it all
the time. I felt I needed a bigger caliber than .223 for general property
defense, as well as "come the revolution" when the religious right tries to
take over for real <g>, since i live in the woods and have livestock and
there are cougar and bear around.

I will buy another AR if or when uppers in 6.8mm SPC become available. THAT
would be useful. An M4 in that caliber would rock. On balance, I feel that
the AR platform is too big and clunky to justify spitting out a .22-
caliber, 60-grain bullet. I'd rather have a Mini-14, frankly, if I was
stuck with .223. Or, as I said above, I think for my need the M1a Bush
rifle is superb.

-jeff

Patrick Ô¿Ô

BTW forgot to mention that I got a holster to put on the rollbar for my
Glock 22. I will post links when I get time to do the install. Do you like
it above your head like that? I was thinking about putting mine near the
windshield.

Also the guy said the parts for the Bushmaster fit the RRA, so I can buy
replacement parts and accessories made for the Bushmaster

Patrick
Ô¿Ô
"Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
news:NDsqe.1248$Ub4.26@fe06.lga...
>
> "Nathan W. Collier" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11akjjr69rph76f@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Patrick Ô¿Ô" <patrick.nospam@cityofvarnell.com> wrote in message
>> news:yeqqe.17720$mZ2.7652@fe07.lga...
>>>I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and
>>>a good sugestion
>>
>> :-) thank you.
>>
>>
>>> I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock
>>> River Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money.
>>
>> out of curiosity, is this the same individual who is trying to sell you
>> one?
>
> Yes, he is a dealer and will sell me any brand I want, he said it is up to
> me, he just thinks RRA is a better weapon.
>
>>
>>
>>> He says the RRA is tighter than Bushmaster and Colt.
>>
>> a rock river is a fine rifle, but given the choice i would buy the
>> bushmaster. ive owned a half dozen colt ar15s and will never own another
>> one. ive owned 2 bushmasters (still have 1) and it is in my opinion the
>> finest ar15 ever built. after literally tens of thousands of rounds it
>> has _never_ jammed. not once. when i take it out i shoot 1000 rounds
>> and in one day i shot nearly 2000 rounds without stopping to clean it at
>> any point in between and it never failed to feed or fire. my first
>> bushmaster jammed a few times but i finally determined it was a defective
>> US surplus magazine. after throwing it away i never jammed that rifle
>> either and i eventually sold it to one of my brothers.
>>
>> THAT SAID, what is the purpose? my AR is fun to plink with. it is the
>> most accurate automatic rifle ive ever owned. golf ***** at 100 yards
>> (on a dark background) are easy to pick off. prairie dogs are easy to
>> pick off at most any range where you can still see them. if it were a
>> matter of personal protection though, id much rather have my winchester
>> defender 1300 http://7slotgrille.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=766 loaded
>> with buckshot.
>
> It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house searches.
> I have a Glock as my duty and a baby Glock for a backup. The AR is when
> it all hits the fan. I want to be able to do a headshot from some
> distance, without hitting anything else. It will have a colapsable (sp?)
> stock, and a shorter barrel, haven't decided on length yet, probably
> around 14 - 16 inches. I will go with the .223 which is the same as the
> 5.56 NATO. If it was going to be a sniper setup, I would go with a 20"
> heavy barrel .308, but I am right now going to try to keep the weight and
> size down.
>
> The RRA he quoted is 800, which is the M-4 style step barrel, with the
> removable handle. The Bushmaster is 785, M-4 without the removeable
> handle. It will be loaded with teflon coated ammunition, which is standard
> issue duty ammo. If it gets really bad, we have several .308 M-14's which
> are military surplus, and also 2 M-16's in the department. We are
> qualifying with the M-14's tomorrow, and I will also use someone elses
> AR-15 to quallify with, as well as a M-16, just in case.
>
> Patrick
> Ô¿Ô
>