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Jeff Strickland 04-16-2007 10:12 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
When the bonnet is raised, one is allowed to count the exhaust tubes.

Geez Matt, what's wrong with you?

If you had the 6-speed trans, I'm all but certain you had a 6 under the
hood. I do not think the 6-speed is available with the 4 banger. Having said
that, if you squoze 130+ mph from a 4-banger diesel, I'd be impressed so
much that I suppose my eyes would water when I raised the hood -- I mean,
bonnet.





"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
>them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
> the four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on
> the registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
> friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>>> as well.

>>
>> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
>> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
>> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
>> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
>> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
>> number of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
>> nothing under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of
>> taking the plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I
>> don't think it was.
>>
>>>
>>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>>> Series. They kick ass. I need to re-think my position on them.

>>
>> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
>> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
>> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
>> was an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
>> still :-)
>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
>>>> has me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
>>>> time on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had
>>>> great acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>>
>>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ---
>>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



Jeff Strickland 04-16-2007 10:12 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
When the bonnet is raised, one is allowed to count the exhaust tubes.

Geez Matt, what's wrong with you?

If you had the 6-speed trans, I'm all but certain you had a 6 under the
hood. I do not think the 6-speed is available with the 4 banger. Having said
that, if you squoze 130+ mph from a 4-banger diesel, I'd be impressed so
much that I suppose my eyes would water when I raised the hood -- I mean,
bonnet.





"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
>them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
> the four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on
> the registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
> friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>>> as well.

>>
>> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
>> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
>> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
>> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
>> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
>> number of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
>> nothing under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of
>> taking the plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I
>> don't think it was.
>>
>>>
>>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>>> Series. They kick ass. I need to re-think my position on them.

>>
>> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
>> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
>> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
>> was an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
>> still :-)
>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
>>>> has me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
>>>> time on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had
>>>> great acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>>
>>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ---
>>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



Jeff Strickland 04-16-2007 10:12 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
When the bonnet is raised, one is allowed to count the exhaust tubes.

Geez Matt, what's wrong with you?

If you had the 6-speed trans, I'm all but certain you had a 6 under the
hood. I do not think the 6-speed is available with the 4 banger. Having said
that, if you squoze 130+ mph from a 4-banger diesel, I'd be impressed so
much that I suppose my eyes would water when I raised the hood -- I mean,
bonnet.





"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:fMGdnUwia9OJhLnbnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I stand corrected, BMW's 6-cyl diesels are straight 6-'s, I was confusing
>them with the Mercedes V-6's.
>
> After looking at the site a little closer, it very well could have been
> the four-cylinder, in which case I would be doubly impressed. Nothing on
> the registration indicated number of cylinders, according to my German
> friend...
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:beCdnSf6FbIajrnbnZ2dnUVZ_qarnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>
>>
>> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:Q6UUh.1434$xL6.325@trnddc05...
>>> 1.) Are you sure it was a V6? BMWs are usually inline 6s. BMWs usually
>>> badge the trunk lid with the model, and there is a 330d rolling around
>>> Europe. The 330i that is in our market is an I6, not a V6, I'm not sure
>>> of the configuration of the diesel motors, but I thought they were an I6
>>> as well.

>>
>> I checked out the BMW-Germany website and apparently BMW 3-series cars in
>> Europe have two V-6 diesels available as well as two four-cylinder
>> diesels. There were no badges of any kind on the car except the BMW logo.
>> Many cars over there were like that, my friend I was visiting says you
>> have to request the badges when ordering. I'm even guessing at the
>> number of cylinders based on my fuel consumption and top speed, there was
>> nothing under the hood that told me how many cylinders it had short of
>> taking the plastic engine cover off. It did *sound* like a four, but I
>> don't think it was.
>>
>>>
>>> 2.) Personally, I hold diesel motors in VERY low regard. Having said
>>> that, I took note recently of the Audi TDI cars running in the Le Mans
>>> Series. They kick ass. I need to re-think my position on them.

>>
>> This is not your father's diesel :-) I was pleasantly surprised at the
>> performance and smoothness of this engine. Incidentally, almost every car
>> that passed me on the autobahn when I was going a decent clip (110mph)
>> was an Audi, and was usually black and passed me as though I was standing
>> still :-)
>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xu6dnWc0Q_zIrL_bnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Just got back from Europe yesterday, my first time to Germany visiting
>>>> friends, and we rented a BMW 3-series touring sedan with one of their
>>>> diesel v-6's with the six-speed auto. I'm guessing it was the 330, but
>>>> not sure...there were no tags on the car that indicated the model and
>>>> the manual was in German. Anyway, driving that car around for a week
>>>> has me convinced that the North American auto market is missing out big
>>>> time on modern diesel technology. Performance was excellent, it had
>>>> great acceleration, it topped out at about 140mph (228kph...I love the
>>>> autobahn!) and I got a combined 6.8L/100km which translates to about
>>>> 34.6 mpg while regularly running the autobahn at 100-110mph. It was
>>>> about as quiet as my wife's Saturn Aura, though the engine did make a
>>>> different sound, more like a four cylinder gas engine. And never once
>>>> did I catch a whiff of diesel exhaust stink.
>>>>
>>>> Just thought I'd share...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ---
>>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>>> mlmacchiarolo at comcast dot net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>



DougW 04-16-2007 10:29 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
Earle Horton wrote:
> "DougW" wrote:


>> I've driven the 4cyl Golf before, but I like the BMW +1 because
>> you can park four in a one-car garage. :) It's like riding in
>> a pimped out gocart.
>>

> You'd like the Smart Car then.
>
> http://www.smartcar.com/


looks like the same vehicle. Gonna have to dig through the photos
and see if I had one of the rental.

--
DougW



DougW 04-16-2007 10:29 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
Earle Horton wrote:
> "DougW" wrote:


>> I've driven the 4cyl Golf before, but I like the BMW +1 because
>> you can park four in a one-car garage. :) It's like riding in
>> a pimped out gocart.
>>

> You'd like the Smart Car then.
>
> http://www.smartcar.com/


looks like the same vehicle. Gonna have to dig through the photos
and see if I had one of the rental.

--
DougW



DougW 04-16-2007 10:29 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
Earle Horton wrote:
> "DougW" wrote:


>> I've driven the 4cyl Golf before, but I like the BMW +1 because
>> you can park four in a one-car garage. :) It's like riding in
>> a pimped out gocart.
>>

> You'd like the Smart Car then.
>
> http://www.smartcar.com/


looks like the same vehicle. Gonna have to dig through the photos
and see if I had one of the rental.

--
DougW



DougW 04-16-2007 10:29 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
Earle Horton wrote:
> "DougW" wrote:


>> I've driven the 4cyl Golf before, but I like the BMW +1 because
>> you can park four in a one-car garage. :) It's like riding in
>> a pimped out gocart.
>>

> You'd like the Smart Car then.
>
> http://www.smartcar.com/


looks like the same vehicle. Gonna have to dig through the photos
and see if I had one of the rental.

--
DougW



The Merg 04-16-2007 11:40 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
Earle Horton wrote:
> Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
> having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
> equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
> was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
> back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
>
> Earle


Don't worry Earle, I noticed. Before I saw your disclaimer, I was
thinking "hey, he's told this story before. I'm definitely calling him out."
Let me know when you go back. I'm down for a trip to Spain.

The Merg 04-16-2007 11:40 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
Earle Horton wrote:
> Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
> having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
> equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
> was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
> back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
>
> Earle


Don't worry Earle, I noticed. Before I saw your disclaimer, I was
thinking "hey, he's told this story before. I'm definitely calling him out."
Let me know when you go back. I'm down for a trip to Spain.

The Merg 04-16-2007 11:40 PM

Re: Diesels are the way to go
 
Earle Horton wrote:
> Another time I was in the Bus Depot in Burgos, and a guy from LA started
> having breathing difficulties. I was trying to remember the Spanish
> equivalent of "911" but he just stuck his head down by the bus exhaust, and
> was OK in a minute or two. (Third time I've used this story. Have to go
> back soon and get another one. You old coots won't notice anyway.)
>
> Earle


Don't worry Earle, I noticed. Before I saw your disclaimer, I was
thinking "hey, he's told this story before. I'm definitely calling him out."
Let me know when you go back. I'm down for a trip to Spain.


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