OT BioDiesel
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Re: OT BioDiesel
Herb Leong wrote:
> The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
> to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
> moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
> not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
> conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
> place to live into f'ing LA.
>
> /herb
>
> In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
> Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
> #Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
> #that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
> #kalifornicators.
> #
> #L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> #
> #> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
> #> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
> #> there told me.
> #> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> #> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> #>
> #> Herb Leong wrote:
> #>
> #>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
> #>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
> #>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
> #>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
> #>>would work with unseasoned wood.
> #>>
> #>>/herb
>
>
Somebody say "dump run"? Coincidentally today's the day :-)
--
FRH
> The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
> to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
> moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
> not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
> conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
> place to live into f'ing LA.
>
> /herb
>
> In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
> Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
> #Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
> #that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
> #kalifornicators.
> #
> #L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> #
> #> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
> #> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
> #> there told me.
> #> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> #> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> #>
> #> Herb Leong wrote:
> #>
> #>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
> #>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
> #>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
> #>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
> #>>would work with unseasoned wood.
> #>>
> #>>/herb
>
>
Somebody say "dump run"? Coincidentally today's the day :-)
--
FRH
#412
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Re: OT BioDiesel
Herb Leong wrote:
> The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
> to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
> moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
> not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
> conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
> place to live into f'ing LA.
>
> /herb
>
> In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
> Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
> #Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
> #that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
> #kalifornicators.
> #
> #L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> #
> #> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
> #> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
> #> there told me.
> #> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> #> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> #>
> #> Herb Leong wrote:
> #>
> #>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
> #>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
> #>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
> #>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
> #>>would work with unseasoned wood.
> #>>
> #>>/herb
>
>
Somebody say "dump run"? Coincidentally today's the day :-)
--
FRH
> The problem with most kalifornicators in general is that they don't want
> to or don't know how to go native. First thing that happens when someone
> moves in to a rural area is that they wonder why the garbage service did
> not pick up their crap. The idea of a "dump run" is just not even
> conceivable... Next thing you know, they've turned what was once a nice
> place to live into f'ing LA.
>
> /herb
>
> In article <d4edneO8wdnD2vjZRVn-gQ@comcast.com>,
> Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote:
> #Think that was the case in a couple of the towns along old highway 6 in
> #that area. Towns populated mostly by unwanted newly arrived
> #kalifornicators.
> #
> #L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> #
> #> I remember it was against the law to burn wood in your own
> #> fireplace in Aspen, beginning in the early sixties, a friend that lives
> #> there told me.
> #> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> #> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> #>
> #> Herb Leong wrote:
> #>
> #>>That reminds me, several of my in-laws have catalytic converters
> #>>in their fireplace chimneys. You pull out a bypass rod until the
> #>>fire is hot enough and then push it back in when the temp sensing
> #>>fan starts up. The smoke goes to zilch. I wonder how well it
> #>>would work with unseasoned wood.
> #>>
> #>>/herb
>
>
Somebody say "dump run"? Coincidentally today's the day :-)
--
FRH
#413
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
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> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.
no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
over and over again.
> I must admit that I am intrigued that it can be
> made to work in rural Montana.
it works quite well and with electric or gas suppliment it will keep you
toasty or cool in the harshest montana weather.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
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> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.
no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
over and over again.
> I must admit that I am intrigued that it can be
> made to work in rural Montana.
it works quite well and with electric or gas suppliment it will keep you
toasty or cool in the harshest montana weather.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
#414
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44651989$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.
no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
over and over again.
> I must admit that I am intrigued that it can be
> made to work in rural Montana.
it works quite well and with electric or gas suppliment it will keep you
toasty or cool in the harshest montana weather.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
news:44651989$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.
no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
over and over again.
> I must admit that I am intrigued that it can be
> made to work in rural Montana.
it works quite well and with electric or gas suppliment it will keep you
toasty or cool in the harshest montana weather.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
#415
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44651989$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.
no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
over and over again.
> I must admit that I am intrigued that it can be
> made to work in rural Montana.
it works quite well and with electric or gas suppliment it will keep you
toasty or cool in the harshest montana weather.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
news:44651989$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> This stuff isn't quite free, unless the electricity for the pump and/or
> compressor is also free.
no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
over and over again.
> I must admit that I am intrigued that it can be
> made to work in rural Montana.
it works quite well and with electric or gas suppliment it will keep you
toasty or cool in the harshest montana weather.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
#416
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Re: OT BioDiesel
On Sat, 13 May 2006 21:29:54 -0600, "Nathan W. Collier"
<Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
> coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
> pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
> bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
> over and over again.
Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work... Think of a
regular heat pump that instead of allowing the heat to be transferred
by a fan on the outside unit, instead the heat is transferred by a
source of water moving through the system... It's more efficient than
a normal unit in air-conditioning mode, but not *tremendously*... As
far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
via natural gas...
<Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
> coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
> pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
> bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
> over and over again.
Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work... Think of a
regular heat pump that instead of allowing the heat to be transferred
by a fan on the outside unit, instead the heat is transferred by a
source of water moving through the system... It's more efficient than
a normal unit in air-conditioning mode, but not *tremendously*... As
far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
via natural gas...
#417
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Re: OT BioDiesel
On Sat, 13 May 2006 21:29:54 -0600, "Nathan W. Collier"
<Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
> coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
> pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
> bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
> over and over again.
Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work... Think of a
regular heat pump that instead of allowing the heat to be transferred
by a fan on the outside unit, instead the heat is transferred by a
source of water moving through the system... It's more efficient than
a normal unit in air-conditioning mode, but not *tremendously*... As
far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
via natural gas...
<Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
> coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
> pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
> bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
> over and over again.
Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work... Think of a
regular heat pump that instead of allowing the heat to be transferred
by a fan on the outside unit, instead the heat is transferred by a
source of water moving through the system... It's more efficient than
a normal unit in air-conditioning mode, but not *tremendously*... As
far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
via natural gas...
#418
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Re: OT BioDiesel
On Sat, 13 May 2006 21:29:54 -0600, "Nathan W. Collier"
<Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
> coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
> pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
> bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
> over and over again.
Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work... Think of a
regular heat pump that instead of allowing the heat to be transferred
by a fan on the outside unit, instead the heat is transferred by a
source of water moving through the system... It's more efficient than
a normal unit in air-conditioning mode, but not *tremendously*... As
far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
via natural gas...
<Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> no, i mean the heat source itself is free. there is no gas to burn, or
> coils to get hot. its an amazing system. HVAC/R is truly a "pay me now, or
> pay me a lot more later" business and there is no way around it. if you
> bite the bullet and pay up front for a ground source it will pay for itself
> over and over again.
Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work... Think of a
regular heat pump that instead of allowing the heat to be transferred
by a fan on the outside unit, instead the heat is transferred by a
source of water moving through the system... It's more efficient than
a normal unit in air-conditioning mode, but not *tremendously*... As
far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
via natural gas...
#419
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
> heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work.
i own an HVAC/R company (http://BighornRefrigeration.com) and i
install/service ground source heat pumps regularly. although we're able to
service any type, we specialize in water furnace brand. now i havent read
all the messages in this thread, so please explain how your system differs
from a vertical/horizontal ground loop system.
> As
> far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
> via natural gas...
you must really have an odd type of system. besides, have you priced
natural gas lately? ive serviced systems that were 40 miles away from their
closest neighbor, much less a propane company. their savings by using
ground source with electric backup are even more substantial.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
news:kmbd62tu18v7jm6g7rbgor2iqss03vd4pg@4ax.com...
> Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
> heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work.
i own an HVAC/R company (http://BighornRefrigeration.com) and i
install/service ground source heat pumps regularly. although we're able to
service any type, we specialize in water furnace brand. now i havent read
all the messages in this thread, so please explain how your system differs
from a vertical/horizontal ground loop system.
> As
> far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
> via natural gas...
you must really have an odd type of system. besides, have you priced
natural gas lately? ive serviced systems that were 40 miles away from their
closest neighbor, much less a propane company. their savings by using
ground source with electric backup are even more substantial.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
#420
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kmbd62tu18v7jm6g7rbgor2iqss03vd4pg@4ax.com...
> Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
> heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work.
i own an HVAC/R company (http://BighornRefrigeration.com) and i
install/service ground source heat pumps regularly. although we're able to
service any type, we specialize in water furnace brand. now i havent read
all the messages in this thread, so please explain how your system differs
from a vertical/horizontal ground loop system.
> As
> far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
> via natural gas...
you must really have an odd type of system. besides, have you priced
natural gas lately? ive serviced systems that were 40 miles away from their
closest neighbor, much less a propane company. their savings by using
ground source with electric backup are even more substantial.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com
news:kmbd62tu18v7jm6g7rbgor2iqss03vd4pg@4ax.com...
> Sorry, Nathan, but I think that you have no idea how the geothermal
> heat pumps that I had in my previous house actually work.
i own an HVAC/R company (http://BighornRefrigeration.com) and i
install/service ground source heat pumps regularly. although we're able to
service any type, we specialize in water furnace brand. now i havent read
all the messages in this thread, so please explain how your system differs
from a vertical/horizontal ground loop system.
> As
> far as heating goes, I doubt that it is more efficient than heating
> via natural gas...
you must really have an odd type of system. besides, have you priced
natural gas lately? ive serviced systems that were 40 miles away from their
closest neighbor, much less a propane company. their savings by using
ground source with electric backup are even more substantial.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://UtilityOffRoad.com
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://InlineDiesel.com
http://BighornRefrigeration.com
http://ConcealedCarryForum.com