Patrick Henderson

I have an 02 X, and it's filter is on the side of the block, not upside
down, just sideways like most other cars.

Patrick
Ô¿Ô

"DaveW" <spsffan@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:nkHSb.3176$9a4.2543@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be.
It's
> > not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available
that
> > are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> > K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne,
whichever I
> > can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read
over
> > the years.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
> models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
>
> But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
> Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
> to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
> if the anti drainback valve fails.
>
> I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
> I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
> design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
> after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
> specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
> the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
> the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
> to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
> nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
>
> I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
> Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
> only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
> Jeep. I guess word got around.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve

Patrick Henderson

I have an 02 X, and it's filter is on the side of the block, not upside
down, just sideways like most other cars.

Patrick
Ô¿Ô

"DaveW" <spsffan@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:nkHSb.3176$9a4.2543@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be.
It's
> > not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available
that
> > are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> > K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne,
whichever I
> > can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read
over
> > the years.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
> models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
>
> But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
> Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
> to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
> if the anti drainback valve fails.
>
> I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
> I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
> design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
> after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
> specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
> the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
> the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
> to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
> nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
>
> I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
> Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
> only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
> Jeep. I guess word got around.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve

FrankW

What about Mopar oil filters?
Are they any good?
I use them exclusively as they're about the same
price or less than Crappy Tire's premium filters


Jerry Bransford wrote:

> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> <Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
>>Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
>>holds oil back in the filter?
>>
>>What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
>>which should be a good thing.
>>
>>I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
>
> back
>
>>down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
>>
>>Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
>>
>>What experience have you guys had with this filter?
>>
>>--
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

FrankW

What about Mopar oil filters?
Are they any good?
I use them exclusively as they're about the same
price or less than Crappy Tire's premium filters


Jerry Bransford wrote:

> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> <Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
>>Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
>>holds oil back in the filter?
>>
>>What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
>>which should be a good thing.
>>
>>I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
>
> back
>
>>down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
>>
>>Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
>>
>>What experience have you guys had with this filter?
>>
>>--
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

FrankW

What about Mopar oil filters?
Are they any good?
I use them exclusively as they're about the same
price or less than Crappy Tire's premium filters


Jerry Bransford wrote:

> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> N6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> <Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
>
>>Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
>>holds oil back in the filter?
>>
>>What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
>>which should be a good thing.
>>
>>I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
>
> back
>
>>down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
>>
>>Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
>>
>>What experience have you guys had with this filter?
>>
>>--
>>Skip
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Lloyd Hanning

Yeah, Skip, my perception is that the name brand filters are the way to go.
The key word here is PERCEPTION. I don't have any data to support that.
Speaking of oil:
When I bought my '78 Cherokee w/258 new, I drove it home, drained the oil
and put Mobile one in it. Every 1000 miles I would take off the filter, pour
what I could from the filter back into the crankcase, then put on a new
filter and top off the oil. It now has ~ 130K miles on it. Hard, stop and go
miles. I replaced the lifters a few years ago and that was the only time
I've ever changed the oil. The valve train was SPOTLESS, no sludge, no
nothing, just a light coating of Mobile one. I just ordered an '04 Rubicon,
and am thinking of using the same procedure with that.

Lloyd

<Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
> holds oil back in the filter?
>
> What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
> which should be a good thing.
>
> I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
back
> down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
>
> Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
>
> What experience have you guys had with this filter?
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
>

Lloyd Hanning

Yeah, Skip, my perception is that the name brand filters are the way to go.
The key word here is PERCEPTION. I don't have any data to support that.
Speaking of oil:
When I bought my '78 Cherokee w/258 new, I drove it home, drained the oil
and put Mobile one in it. Every 1000 miles I would take off the filter, pour
what I could from the filter back into the crankcase, then put on a new
filter and top off the oil. It now has ~ 130K miles on it. Hard, stop and go
miles. I replaced the lifters a few years ago and that was the only time
I've ever changed the oil. The valve train was SPOTLESS, no sludge, no
nothing, just a light coating of Mobile one. I just ordered an '04 Rubicon,
and am thinking of using the same procedure with that.

Lloyd

<Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
> holds oil back in the filter?
>
> What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
> which should be a good thing.
>
> I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
back
> down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
>
> Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
>
> What experience have you guys had with this filter?
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
>

Lloyd Hanning

Yeah, Skip, my perception is that the name brand filters are the way to go.
The key word here is PERCEPTION. I don't have any data to support that.
Speaking of oil:
When I bought my '78 Cherokee w/258 new, I drove it home, drained the oil
and put Mobile one in it. Every 1000 miles I would take off the filter, pour
what I could from the filter back into the crankcase, then put on a new
filter and top off the oil. It now has ~ 130K miles on it. Hard, stop and go
miles. I replaced the lifters a few years ago and that was the only time
I've ever changed the oil. The valve train was SPOTLESS, no sludge, no
nothing, just a light coating of Mobile one. I just ordered an '04 Rubicon,
and am thinking of using the same procedure with that.

Lloyd

<Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
> holds oil back in the filter?
>
> What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
> which should be a good thing.
>
> I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
back
> down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
>
> Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
>
> What experience have you guys had with this filter?
>
> --
> Skip
>
>
>

Mike Romain

Well, you said it...

You had a dead engine before 100 K miles.

Most folks get 200 to 300K before they have to do engine work on the
258's or 4.0's.

Your method obviously doesn't work at all....

Oil builds up contaminants from combustion and needs to be changed on a
regular schedule no matter how fancy the oil....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>
> Yeah, Skip, my perception is that the name brand filters are the way to go.
> The key word here is PERCEPTION. I don't have any data to support that.
> Speaking of oil:
> When I bought my '78 Cherokee w/258 new, I drove it home, drained the oil
> and put Mobile one in it. Every 1000 miles I would take off the filter, pour
> what I could from the filter back into the crankcase, then put on a new
> filter and top off the oil. It now has ~ 130K miles on it. Hard, stop and go
> miles. I replaced the lifters a few years ago and that was the only time
> I've ever changed the oil. The valve train was SPOTLESS, no sludge, no
> nothing, just a light coating of Mobile one. I just ordered an '04 Rubicon,
> and am thinking of using the same procedure with that.
>
> Lloyd
>
> <Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
> > holds oil back in the filter?
> >
> > What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
> > which should be a good thing.
> >
> > I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
> back
> > down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
> >
> > Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
> >
> > What experience have you guys had with this filter?
> >
> > --
> > Skip
> >
> >
> >

Mike Romain

Well, you said it...

You had a dead engine before 100 K miles.

Most folks get 200 to 300K before they have to do engine work on the
258's or 4.0's.

Your method obviously doesn't work at all....

Oil builds up contaminants from combustion and needs to be changed on a
regular schedule no matter how fancy the oil....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Lloyd Hanning wrote:
>
> Yeah, Skip, my perception is that the name brand filters are the way to go.
> The key word here is PERCEPTION. I don't have any data to support that.
> Speaking of oil:
> When I bought my '78 Cherokee w/258 new, I drove it home, drained the oil
> and put Mobile one in it. Every 1000 miles I would take off the filter, pour
> what I could from the filter back into the crankcase, then put on a new
> filter and top off the oil. It now has ~ 130K miles on it. Hard, stop and go
> miles. I replaced the lifters a few years ago and that was the only time
> I've ever changed the oil. The valve train was SPOTLESS, no sludge, no
> nothing, just a light coating of Mobile one. I just ordered an '04 Rubicon,
> and am thinking of using the same procedure with that.
>
> Lloyd
>
> <Skip> wrote in message news:bvelcn02e8o@enews4.newsguy.com...
> > Last oil change, I put on a Fram Toughguard filter. As I understand, it
> > holds oil back in the filter?
> >
> > What I've noticed, is that it seems to hold oil back in the block as well,
> > which should be a good thing.
> >
> > I just did another oil change and it seems like the oil does not drain
> back
> > down into the pan immediately agfter shutting the engine down?
> >
> > Makes it tough to check the oil level with the dipstick...
> >
> > What experience have you guys had with this filter?
> >
> > --
> > Skip
> >
> >
> >