Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
01-31-2004, 12:33 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
Skip wrote:
> Heya Bill!
>
> Hmm on the subject of sludge... I was thinking about that today...
> considering the pushrod problem... and I live in a sandy environment...
> wiped a bunch of sandy crap off the surface inside the valve cover where the
> oil cap seals today... engine has 176k on it... any way to detect and/or
> remove the sludge short of an engine overhaul?
Find a shop with a Bilstien engine flush machine. It'll flush everywhere
oil can go (using pressurized heated chemicals in a closed loop, from
the oil filler hole to the drain plug). When it's done fill with Mobil 1
which will clean out anything that's left, running synthetics will
basically eliminate sludge by keeping it from happening in the first place.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Heya Bill!
>
> Hmm on the subject of sludge... I was thinking about that today...
> considering the pushrod problem... and I live in a sandy environment...
> wiped a bunch of sandy crap off the surface inside the valve cover where the
> oil cap seals today... engine has 176k on it... any way to detect and/or
> remove the sludge short of an engine overhaul?
Find a shop with a Bilstien engine flush machine. It'll flush everywhere
oil can go (using pressurized heated chemicals in a closed loop, from
the oil filler hole to the drain plug). When it's done fill with Mobil 1
which will clean out anything that's left, running synthetics will
basically eliminate sludge by keeping it from happening in the first place.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
01-31-2004, 12:33 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
Skip wrote:
> Heya Bill!
>
> Hmm on the subject of sludge... I was thinking about that today...
> considering the pushrod problem... and I live in a sandy environment...
> wiped a bunch of sandy crap off the surface inside the valve cover where the
> oil cap seals today... engine has 176k on it... any way to detect and/or
> remove the sludge short of an engine overhaul?
Find a shop with a Bilstien engine flush machine. It'll flush everywhere
oil can go (using pressurized heated chemicals in a closed loop, from
the oil filler hole to the drain plug). When it's done fill with Mobil 1
which will clean out anything that's left, running synthetics will
basically eliminate sludge by keeping it from happening in the first place.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Heya Bill!
>
> Hmm on the subject of sludge... I was thinking about that today...
> considering the pushrod problem... and I live in a sandy environment...
> wiped a bunch of sandy crap off the surface inside the valve cover where the
> oil cap seals today... engine has 176k on it... any way to detect and/or
> remove the sludge short of an engine overhaul?
Find a shop with a Bilstien engine flush machine. It'll flush everywhere
oil can go (using pressurized heated chemicals in a closed loop, from
the oil filler hole to the drain plug). When it's done fill with Mobil 1
which will clean out anything that's left, running synthetics will
basically eliminate sludge by keeping it from happening in the first place.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
01-31-2004, 12:33 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
Skip wrote:
> Heya Bill!
>
> Hmm on the subject of sludge... I was thinking about that today...
> considering the pushrod problem... and I live in a sandy environment...
> wiped a bunch of sandy crap off the surface inside the valve cover where the
> oil cap seals today... engine has 176k on it... any way to detect and/or
> remove the sludge short of an engine overhaul?
Find a shop with a Bilstien engine flush machine. It'll flush everywhere
oil can go (using pressurized heated chemicals in a closed loop, from
the oil filler hole to the drain plug). When it's done fill with Mobil 1
which will clean out anything that's left, running synthetics will
basically eliminate sludge by keeping it from happening in the first place.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
> Heya Bill!
>
> Hmm on the subject of sludge... I was thinking about that today...
> considering the pushrod problem... and I live in a sandy environment...
> wiped a bunch of sandy crap off the surface inside the valve cover where the
> oil cap seals today... engine has 176k on it... any way to detect and/or
> remove the sludge short of an engine overhaul?
Find a shop with a Bilstien engine flush machine. It'll flush everywhere
oil can go (using pressurized heated chemicals in a closed loop, from
the oil filler hole to the drain plug). When it's done fill with Mobil 1
which will clean out anything that's left, running synthetics will
basically eliminate sludge by keeping it from happening in the first place.
--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
01-31-2004, 12:48 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
if the anti drainback valve fails.
I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
Jeep. I guess word got around.
Regards,
DAve
> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
if the anti drainback valve fails.
I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
Jeep. I guess word got around.
Regards,
DAve
01-31-2004, 12:48 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
if the anti drainback valve fails.
I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
Jeep. I guess word got around.
Regards,
DAve
> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
if the anti drainback valve fails.
I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
Jeep. I guess word got around.
Regards,
DAve
01-31-2004, 12:48 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
if the anti drainback valve fails.
I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
Jeep. I guess word got around.
Regards,
DAve
> Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be. It's
> not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available that
> are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne, whichever I
> can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read over
> the years.
>
> Jerry
I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
if the anti drainback valve fails.
I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
Jeep. I guess word got around.
Regards,
DAve
01-31-2004, 08:25 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
"DaveW" <spsffan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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snip snip
>
> I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
> Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
> only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
> Jeep. I guess word got around.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
Yes for my Jeeps, I also use the blue Purolators (Premium?) oil filters and
I also have to stock up when I see them on Pep Boys shelves esp. if on sale!
AFAIK The standard Purolator and the Pep Boy "Pro-Line" are supposed to be
the same filters. ;-)
dave AKA vwdoc1
01-31-2004, 08:25 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
"DaveW" <spsffan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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snip snip
>
> I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
> Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
> only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
> Jeep. I guess word got around.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
Yes for my Jeeps, I also use the blue Purolators (Premium?) oil filters and
I also have to stock up when I see them on Pep Boys shelves esp. if on sale!
AFAIK The standard Purolator and the Pep Boy "Pro-Line" are supposed to be
the same filters. ;-)
dave AKA vwdoc1
01-31-2004, 08:25 AM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
"DaveW" <spsffan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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snip snip
>
> I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
> Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
> only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
> Jeep. I guess word got around.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
Yes for my Jeeps, I also use the blue Purolators (Premium?) oil filters and
I also have to stock up when I see them on Pep Boys shelves esp. if on sale!
AFAIK The standard Purolator and the Pep Boy "Pro-Line" are supposed to be
the same filters. ;-)
dave AKA vwdoc1
01-31-2004, 12:17 PM
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Re: Opinions on Fram Toughguard oil filters?
I have an 02 X, and it's filter is on the side of the block, not upside
down, just sideways like most other cars.
Patrick
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"DaveW" <spsffan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be.
It's
> > not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available
that
> > are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> > K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne,
whichever I
> > can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read
over
> > the years.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
> models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
>
> But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
> Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
> to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
> if the anti drainback valve fails.
>
> I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
> I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
> design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
> after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
> specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
> the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
> the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
> to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
> nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
>
> I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
> Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
> only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
> Jeep. I guess word got around.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
down, just sideways like most other cars.
Patrick
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"DaveW" <spsffan@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Fram no longer has a good reputation, at least not what it used to be.
It's
> > not a brand that I will use in my TJ. Lots of good filters available
that
> > are far better... AC-Delco Duraguard, Purolator PureOne, Wicks, Mobil-1,
> > K&N... I use either AC-Delco's Duraguard or Purolator's PureOne,
whichever I
> > can find because they both did very well in the filter tests I've read
over
> > the years.
> >
> > Jerry
>
> I'll chime in for a change. Frams are okay if you buy the Toughguard
> models. The regular ones apparently are crap.
>
> But the Jeep 4.0 (not sure about the 2.5) has the same problem as the
> Mopar Slant Six. The filter is "upside down" and has a natural tendancy
> to drain back the oil overnight, leading to a dry start in the morning
> if the anti drainback valve fails.
>
> I have lots more years experience with the Slant Six than the Jeep 4.0.
> I know that the AC-Delco supposedly has a very good anti-drainback valve
> design, but I have NEVER had one that kept oil in the filter overnight
> after the first week or so. I stopped buying them about 7 years ago
> specifically for this problem. I have experienced the same problem with
> the regular Fram filters, but only twice. Perhaps AC has changed over
> the years, but they lost my business. There's nothing worse than having
> to pull a dripping filter a week after you thought you had finished the
> nasty oily stuff for a while. Not to mention the $.
>
> I now buy Purolater exclusively and have never had a problem.
> Unfortunately, this has delayed a few oil changes as Pep Boys is the
> only store that carrys them and they are usually out of the one for the
> Jeep. I guess word got around.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAve
