Oil prices got you down?
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Re: Oil prices got you down?
They are stable but rising. We don't get 10-15% swings, as most of the cost
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
They are stable but rising. We don't get 10-15% swings, as most of the cost
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Oil prices got you down?
They are stable but rising. We don't get 10-15% swings, as most of the cost
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
of petrol is the 300% tax
e.g. it costs 22.5p and we pay 67.5p tax to make it 90p / litre. Prices get
adjusted 1 or 2 times max, per week, I guess.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:4fe6a$43055f3e$42a1cc8c$30735@FUSE.NET...
> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
day
> like they do here?
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:gpYLe.89222$G8.46395@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > As your article said:
> > Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have
> > caused
> > contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained
high
> > concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes,
> > insulating
> > the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> Just the entrance pipes.
> >>
> >> Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> >> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >> >
> >> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> >> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> >> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years.
It
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form
> >> > > an
> >> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard
> >> > > water'
> >> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since
> >> > > 1934 -
> >> he
> >> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >
> >> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> >> themselves
> >> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > >> > immoderate
> >> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause
of
> >> the
> >> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon
> >> > >> > as
> >> > >> > time
> >> > >> > or
> >> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous
> >> > >> > fabric
> >> > >> > yielded
> >> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is
simple
> >> and
> >> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
> > destroyed
> >> we
> >> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> >> [Gibbon,
> >> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J.
> >> > >> > B.
> >> > >> > Bury
> >> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen
as
> > the
> >> > > wolf
> >> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in
another
> >> 500
> >> > >> > years
> >> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> >> civilization
> >> > > is
> >> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That
> >> > >> >> > was
> >> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They
> >> > >> >> > kicked
> > a
> >> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually
drained
> >> their
> >> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies,
got
> > fat
> >> > > and
> >> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being
the
> >> > >> > powerhouse
> >> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
> Third Rite, Euro:
> http://www.dailyfx.com/index.php?opt...2921&Itemid=39
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
>> day
>> like they do here?
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
> Third Rite, Euro:
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> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
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?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
> Third Rite, Euro:
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> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
>> day
>> like they do here?
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
> Third Rite, Euro:
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> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
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?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
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> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
>> day
>> like they do here?
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
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> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
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?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
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> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> In the UK are gasoline prices stable or do they vary 10-15% from day to
>> day
>> like they do here?
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> It's hard to tell, it's all tied in the Germany's New World Order,
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> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
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"Despite the government's decision to stay out of the euro for now, the
government has published its third National Changeover Plan for possible
entry in the future."
Like I said, Bill, the UK DOES NOT use the Euro. Where did I say they never
would?
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> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> ?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
government has published its third National Changeover Plan for possible
entry in the future."
Like I said, Bill, the UK DOES NOT use the Euro. Where did I say they never
would?
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"Despite the government's decision to stay out of the euro for now, the
government has published its third National Changeover Plan for possible
entry in the future."
Like I said, Bill, the UK DOES NOT use the Euro. Where did I say they never
would?
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> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> ?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
government has published its third National Changeover Plan for possible
entry in the future."
Like I said, Bill, the UK DOES NOT use the Euro. Where did I say they never
would?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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"Despite the government's decision to stay out of the euro for now, the
government has published its third National Changeover Plan for possible
entry in the future."
Like I said, Bill, the UK DOES NOT use the Euro. Where did I say they never
would?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> ?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
government has published its third National Changeover Plan for possible
entry in the future."
Like I said, Bill, the UK DOES NOT use the Euro. Where did I say they never
would?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> ?? UK doesn't use the Euro, Bill....
