You do realize China buy most of the oil, that's why we have to bid
over sixty seven bucks a barrel. Wake UP!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Hmm, so the Saudis sell their oil to....

 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:09:31 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:

>you are narrow sighted. u are not seeing the big picture

OK, I get it now. You're an idiot.

> your right the car u drive fills up the same and gets the same milage but the price of gas at
>the beginning of the month is at least 30 cents cheaper then at the end of the month so you do
>the math on that .that is why people are buying more gas to save that 3.00 bucs at the end of the
>month byTOPPING OFF THE TANK and don't say it doesn't happen

>i work at a dealer

Please don't tell people that...

> and hear it daily
>from the customers coming in since we have a gas station across the street that offers the lowest
>price in the township
>
>bllsht wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:14:21 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
>>
>> >did you know driving at 55 verses going the same place driving 70 only results in about a 10
>> >minute difference in a 200 mile trip there is a formula for this thats given to each new
>> >driver going thru training in my area
>> >and i drive a 383 bigblock newport to work
>>
>> Check your math, Einstein....
>>
>> >talk to people u know and you will find that people fill the tanks on monday and use up 1/4
>> >tank then drive right bac in and top off the tank thinking they are going to save a few
>> >pennies. because gas goes up everyday, so demand goes up i see it everyday and hear about it
>> >everyday
>>
>> Your logic is as flawed as your math. If I fill up once a day, or
>> once a month, my car gets the same fuel mileage. I'd say demand is
>> the same...
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >
>> >> Explain to us how buying 10 gallons of gas every 5 days will create less demand
>> >> than buying 2 gallons every day. Why don't we all stop buying gas on Mondays?
>> >> That'll kill demand won't it? Give me a break...
>> >>
>> >> I'll gladly pay whatever it takes to drive my gas guzzler 75 mph. You can drive
>> >> your hybrid whatever speed you want, but I say ---- driving 55 mph.
>> >>
>> >> In message <42FBDE4A.C1D641E1@cac.net>, "tim bur" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus reducing a higher
>> >> >demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down and keep our
>> >> >vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and cut down ashphalt
>> >> >that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes down after 3
>> >> >months of of causing a glut in the market
>> >> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to stockpile it
>> >> >
>> >> >Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> From another thread that was veering off-topic...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for $1.50/gallon.
>> >> >> Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in another
>> >> >> thread.
>> >> >> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...-home-business
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries on
>> >> >> the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
>> >> >> diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid $2.54/gallon
>> >> >> US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
>> >> >> $2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for our
>> >> >> overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let's keep things in perspective
>> >> >> In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
>> >> >> gallons)...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike the
>> >> >> thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for 25
>> >> >> cents a cup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
>> >> >> chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about 9
>> >> >> cents.

 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:09:31 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:

>you are narrow sighted. u are not seeing the big picture

OK, I get it now. You're an idiot.

> your right the car u drive fills up the same and gets the same milage but the price of gas at
>the beginning of the month is at least 30 cents cheaper then at the end of the month so you do
>the math on that .that is why people are buying more gas to save that 3.00 bucs at the end of the
>month byTOPPING OFF THE TANK and don't say it doesn't happen

>i work at a dealer

Please don't tell people that...

> and hear it daily
>from the customers coming in since we have a gas station across the street that offers the lowest
>price in the township
>
>bllsht wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:14:21 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
>>
>> >did you know driving at 55 verses going the same place driving 70 only results in about a 10
>> >minute difference in a 200 mile trip there is a formula for this thats given to each new
>> >driver going thru training in my area
>> >and i drive a 383 bigblock newport to work
>>
>> Check your math, Einstein....
>>
>> >talk to people u know and you will find that people fill the tanks on monday and use up 1/4
>> >tank then drive right bac in and top off the tank thinking they are going to save a few
>> >pennies. because gas goes up everyday, so demand goes up i see it everyday and hear about it
>> >everyday
>>
>> Your logic is as flawed as your math. If I fill up once a day, or
>> once a month, my car gets the same fuel mileage. I'd say demand is
>> the same...
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >
>> >> Explain to us how buying 10 gallons of gas every 5 days will create less demand
>> >> than buying 2 gallons every day. Why don't we all stop buying gas on Mondays?
>> >> That'll kill demand won't it? Give me a break...
>> >>
>> >> I'll gladly pay whatever it takes to drive my gas guzzler 75 mph. You can drive
>> >> your hybrid whatever speed you want, but I say ---- driving 55 mph.
>> >>
>> >> In message <42FBDE4A.C1D641E1@cac.net>, "tim bur" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus reducing a higher
>> >> >demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down and keep our
>> >> >vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and cut down ashphalt
>> >> >that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes down after 3
>> >> >months of of causing a glut in the market
>> >> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to stockpile it
>> >> >
>> >> >Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> From another thread that was veering off-topic...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for $1.50/gallon.
>> >> >> Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in another
>> >> >> thread.
>> >> >> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...-home-business
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries on
>> >> >> the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
>> >> >> diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid $2.54/gallon
>> >> >> US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
>> >> >> $2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for our
>> >> >> overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let's keep things in perspective
>> >> >> In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
>> >> >> gallons)...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike the
>> >> >> thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for 25
>> >> >> cents a cup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
>> >> >> chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about 9
>> >> >> cents.

 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:09:31 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:

>you are narrow sighted. u are not seeing the big picture

OK, I get it now. You're an idiot.

> your right the car u drive fills up the same and gets the same milage but the price of gas at
>the beginning of the month is at least 30 cents cheaper then at the end of the month so you do
>the math on that .that is why people are buying more gas to save that 3.00 bucs at the end of the
>month byTOPPING OFF THE TANK and don't say it doesn't happen

>i work at a dealer

Please don't tell people that...

> and hear it daily
>from the customers coming in since we have a gas station across the street that offers the lowest
>price in the township
>
>bllsht wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:14:21 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
>>
>> >did you know driving at 55 verses going the same place driving 70 only results in about a 10
>> >minute difference in a 200 mile trip there is a formula for this thats given to each new
>> >driver going thru training in my area
>> >and i drive a 383 bigblock newport to work
>>
>> Check your math, Einstein....
>>
>> >talk to people u know and you will find that people fill the tanks on monday and use up 1/4
>> >tank then drive right bac in and top off the tank thinking they are going to save a few
>> >pennies. because gas goes up everyday, so demand goes up i see it everyday and hear about it
>> >everyday
>>
>> Your logic is as flawed as your math. If I fill up once a day, or
>> once a month, my car gets the same fuel mileage. I'd say demand is
>> the same...
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >
>> >> Explain to us how buying 10 gallons of gas every 5 days will create less demand
>> >> than buying 2 gallons every day. Why don't we all stop buying gas on Mondays?
>> >> That'll kill demand won't it? Give me a break...
>> >>
>> >> I'll gladly pay whatever it takes to drive my gas guzzler 75 mph. You can drive
>> >> your hybrid whatever speed you want, but I say ---- driving 55 mph.
>> >>
>> >> In message <42FBDE4A.C1D641E1@cac.net>, "tim bur" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus reducing a higher
>> >> >demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down and keep our
>> >> >vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and cut down ashphalt
>> >> >that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes down after 3
>> >> >months of of causing a glut in the market
>> >> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to stockpile it
>> >> >
>> >> >Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> From another thread that was veering off-topic...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for $1.50/gallon.
>> >> >> Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in another
>> >> >> thread.
>> >> >> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...-home-business
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries on
>> >> >> the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
>> >> >> diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid $2.54/gallon
>> >> >> US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
>> >> >> $2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for our
>> >> >> overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let's keep things in perspective
>> >> >> In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
>> >> >> gallons)...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike the
>> >> >> thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for 25
>> >> >> cents a cup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
>> >> >> chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about 9
>> >> >> cents.

 

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:09:31 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:

>you are narrow sighted. u are not seeing the big picture

OK, I get it now. You're an idiot.

> your right the car u drive fills up the same and gets the same milage but the price of gas at
>the beginning of the month is at least 30 cents cheaper then at the end of the month so you do
>the math on that .that is why people are buying more gas to save that 3.00 bucs at the end of the
>month byTOPPING OFF THE TANK and don't say it doesn't happen

>i work at a dealer

Please don't tell people that...

> and hear it daily
>from the customers coming in since we have a gas station across the street that offers the lowest
>price in the township
>
>bllsht wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 08:14:21 -0400, tim bur <dbrider@cac.net> wrote:
>>
>> >did you know driving at 55 verses going the same place driving 70 only results in about a 10
>> >minute difference in a 200 mile trip there is a formula for this thats given to each new
>> >driver going thru training in my area
>> >and i drive a 383 bigblock newport to work
>>
>> Check your math, Einstein....
>>
>> >talk to people u know and you will find that people fill the tanks on monday and use up 1/4
>> >tank then drive right bac in and top off the tank thinking they are going to save a few
>> >pennies. because gas goes up everyday, so demand goes up i see it everyday and hear about it
>> >everyday
>>
>> Your logic is as flawed as your math. If I fill up once a day, or
>> once a month, my car gets the same fuel mileage. I'd say demand is
>> the same...
>>
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >
>> >> Explain to us how buying 10 gallons of gas every 5 days will create less demand
>> >> than buying 2 gallons every day. Why don't we all stop buying gas on Mondays?
>> >> That'll kill demand won't it? Give me a break...
>> >>
>> >> I'll gladly pay whatever it takes to drive my gas guzzler 75 mph. You can drive
>> >> your hybrid whatever speed you want, but I say ---- driving 55 mph.
>> >>
>> >> In message <42FBDE4A.C1D641E1@cac.net>, "tim bur" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >lets try not to run to the pump every day to top off the tank thus reducing a higher
>> >> >demand , lets slow down and reenact the 55 mph law federally, slow down and keep our
>> >> >vehicles fix when the check engine lite is on. start using concrete and cut down ashphalt
>> >> >that takes all kind of oil/tar to make and just watch how much oil comes down after 3
>> >> >months of of causing a glut in the market
>> >> > gas does not have the shelf life it used to so they do not want to stockpile it
>> >> >
>> >> >Cherokee-Ltd wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> From another thread that was veering off-topic...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Besides untreated water, name another liquid you can get for $1.50/gallon.
>> >> >> Bill had mentioned California diesel prices hitting $3.00/gallon in another
>> >> >> thread.
>> >> >> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...-home-business
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At first I thought waaa waa waa, it's still cheaper than most countries on
>> >> >> the planet.... until I did the math! Tonight I paid $.82/L Canadian for
>> >> >> diesel, after conversion to gallons and into US Funds, I paid $2.54/gallon
>> >> >> US... hehehe. Unfortunately, regular unleaded in Canada is still
>> >> >> $2.86/gallon US, almost $.30 higher than California.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's important for us Canadians and Americans not to whine too much for our
>> >> >> overseas friends are paying at least twice as much for "petrol".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Let's keep things in perspective
>> >> >> In fact, at today's price of $63/barrel (petroleum barrels are 42
>> >> >> gallons)...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A cool refreshing cup of crude oil would cost you about 10 cents unlike the
>> >> >> thieving pimply faced little girl down the street selling lemonade for 25
>> >> >> cents a cup.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Slide by your local pub for pint after a hard days work? You'd jump at a
>> >> >> chance to get your suds for the price of a pint of crude at 19 cents.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If only we could get a 255 ml can of pop for the price of crude... about 9
>> >> >> cents.

 

Just the entrance pipes.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>
> http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > isn't
> > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
he
> > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
themselves
> >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > immoderate
> >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
the
> >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> >> > time
> >> > or
> >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> >> > yielded
> >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
and
> >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed
we
> >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
[Gibbon,
> >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> >> > Bury
> >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> >
> >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
> > wolf
> >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
500
> >> > years
> >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> >
> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >
> >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
civilization
> > is
> >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
their
> >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> >>
> >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
> > and
> >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> >> > powerhouse
> >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

Just the entrance pipes.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>
> http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > isn't
> > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
he
> > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
themselves
> >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > immoderate
> >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
the
> >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> >> > time
> >> > or
> >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> >> > yielded
> >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
and
> >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed
we
> >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
[Gibbon,
> >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> >> > Bury
> >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> >
> >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
> > wolf
> >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
500
> >> > years
> >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> >
> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >
> >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
civilization
> > is
> >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
their
> >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> >>
> >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
> > and
> >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> >> > powerhouse
> >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

Just the entrance pipes.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>
> http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > isn't
> > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
he
> > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
themselves
> >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > immoderate
> >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
the
> >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> >> > time
> >> > or
> >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> >> > yielded
> >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
and
> >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed
we
> >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
[Gibbon,
> >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> >> > Bury
> >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> >
> >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
> > wolf
> >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
500
> >> > years
> >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> >
> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >
> >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
civilization
> > is
> >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
their
> >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> >>
> >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
> > and
> >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> >> > powerhouse
> >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

Just the entrance pipes.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>
> http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>
>
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > isn't
> > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
he
> > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
themselves
> >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> >> > immoderate
> >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
the
> >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> >> > time
> >> > or
> >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> >> > yielded
> >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
and
> >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed
we
> >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
[Gibbon,
> >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> >> > Bury
> >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> >> >
> >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the
> > wolf
> >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
500
> >> > years
> >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> >> >
> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >> >
> >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
civilization
> > is
> >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
> >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
their
> >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> >> >>
> >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat
> > and
> >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> >> > powerhouse
> >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

As your article said:
Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have caused
contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high
concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes, insulating
the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Just the entrance pipes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >
> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > > isn't
> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
> he
> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> themselves
> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> > >> > immoderate
> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
> the
> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> > >> > time
> > >> > or
> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > >> > yielded
> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
> and
> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
destroyed
> we
> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> [Gibbon,
> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> > >> > Bury
> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> > >> >
> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
the
> > > wolf
> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
> 500
> > >> > years
> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> > >> >
> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >> >
> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> civilization
> > > is
> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked
a
> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
> their
> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
fat
> > > and
> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > >> > powerhouse
> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>