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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III 08-15-2005 05:40 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
Et too, Brute?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Billy Ray wrote:
>
> Sorry, I did not read the website in detail. There was show on educational
> TV years ago that I recalled watching. I got that site from google
> searching the terms "rome lead toxicity"
>
> here is a list of direct references
>
> Lead and the Fall of Rome: A Bibliography
> Originally posted March 23, 1998.
> Since the nineteenth century, there have been sporadic suggestions that the
> large-scale use of lead in antiquity contributed to the fall of Rome through
> heavy-metal poisoning.
>
> A request to the always-generous members of LT-ANTIQ for bibliography on
> this question produced the following results. Enjoy!


DougW 08-15-2005 06:12 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
Cherokee-Ltd did pass the time by typing:
> "Billy Ray" wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40 in
>> the winter?
>>

>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.


In the US, yes. In other countries, not always. Ever wondered why the
BMW and other European car makes come with heated seats, steering wheels,
shifters, etc. That's because in most of Europe it's illegal to let your car
idle to warm up (or to keep it warm while you run in for something). If
your not in the car and the car is not moving the engine must be off.

Not that I agree, but that's the law over there and the fine is substantial.

That and the price they pay for fuel.. yeeeeowtch!

I've got a piece of cardboard that blocks off the radiator for Colorado winter
trips. Some folks I know actually installed bypass valves and just use the
heater core inside, still others switched to electrical fans they can shut off
and installed insulation in the engine bay.

The most interesting solution was a huge heat reservoir. Almost an additional
five gallons of antifreeze in a super insulated tank that fed from the heater core.
It kept heat long after the engine was shut off and made warm-up in the morning
much quicker.

--
DougW



DougW 08-15-2005 06:12 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
Cherokee-Ltd did pass the time by typing:
> "Billy Ray" wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40 in
>> the winter?
>>

>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.


In the US, yes. In other countries, not always. Ever wondered why the
BMW and other European car makes come with heated seats, steering wheels,
shifters, etc. That's because in most of Europe it's illegal to let your car
idle to warm up (or to keep it warm while you run in for something). If
your not in the car and the car is not moving the engine must be off.

Not that I agree, but that's the law over there and the fine is substantial.

That and the price they pay for fuel.. yeeeeowtch!

I've got a piece of cardboard that blocks off the radiator for Colorado winter
trips. Some folks I know actually installed bypass valves and just use the
heater core inside, still others switched to electrical fans they can shut off
and installed insulation in the engine bay.

The most interesting solution was a huge heat reservoir. Almost an additional
five gallons of antifreeze in a super insulated tank that fed from the heater core.
It kept heat long after the engine was shut off and made warm-up in the morning
much quicker.

--
DougW



DougW 08-15-2005 06:12 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
Cherokee-Ltd did pass the time by typing:
> "Billy Ray" wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40 in
>> the winter?
>>

>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.


In the US, yes. In other countries, not always. Ever wondered why the
BMW and other European car makes come with heated seats, steering wheels,
shifters, etc. That's because in most of Europe it's illegal to let your car
idle to warm up (or to keep it warm while you run in for something). If
your not in the car and the car is not moving the engine must be off.

Not that I agree, but that's the law over there and the fine is substantial.

That and the price they pay for fuel.. yeeeeowtch!

I've got a piece of cardboard that blocks off the radiator for Colorado winter
trips. Some folks I know actually installed bypass valves and just use the
heater core inside, still others switched to electrical fans they can shut off
and installed insulation in the engine bay.

The most interesting solution was a huge heat reservoir. Almost an additional
five gallons of antifreeze in a super insulated tank that fed from the heater core.
It kept heat long after the engine was shut off and made warm-up in the morning
much quicker.

--
DougW



DougW 08-15-2005 06:12 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
Cherokee-Ltd did pass the time by typing:
> "Billy Ray" wrote in message
> news:562c5$4300c408$42a1cc8c$21091@FUSE.NET...
>> Brian,
>>
>> What's the deal with this ban on idling, is this going to become
>> wide------? What are you going to do in northern Ontario when it is -40 in
>> the winter?
>>

>
> This "idling ban" thing is a complete farce.


In the US, yes. In other countries, not always. Ever wondered why the
BMW and other European car makes come with heated seats, steering wheels,
shifters, etc. That's because in most of Europe it's illegal to let your car
idle to warm up (or to keep it warm while you run in for something). If
your not in the car and the car is not moving the engine must be off.

Not that I agree, but that's the law over there and the fine is substantial.

That and the price they pay for fuel.. yeeeeowtch!

I've got a piece of cardboard that blocks off the radiator for Colorado winter
trips. Some folks I know actually installed bypass valves and just use the
heater core inside, still others switched to electrical fans they can shut off
and installed insulation in the engine bay.

The most interesting solution was a huge heat reservoir. Almost an additional
five gallons of antifreeze in a super insulated tank that fed from the heater core.
It kept heat long after the engine was shut off and made warm-up in the morning
much quicker.

--
DougW



Matt Macchiarolo 08-15-2005 07:27 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
China's nowhere near buying most of the oil. In 10 years, that will
change....

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:43002112.6E080303@cox.net...
> You do realize China buy most of the oil, that's why we have to bid
> over sixty seven bucks a barrel. Wake UP!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, so the Saudis sell their oil to....




Matt Macchiarolo 08-15-2005 07:27 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
China's nowhere near buying most of the oil. In 10 years, that will
change....

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:43002112.6E080303@cox.net...
> You do realize China buy most of the oil, that's why we have to bid
> over sixty seven bucks a barrel. Wake UP!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, so the Saudis sell their oil to....




Matt Macchiarolo 08-15-2005 07:27 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
China's nowhere near buying most of the oil. In 10 years, that will
change....

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:43002112.6E080303@cox.net...
> You do realize China buy most of the oil, that's why we have to bid
> over sixty seven bucks a barrel. Wake UP!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, so the Saudis sell their oil to....




Matt Macchiarolo 08-15-2005 07:27 PM

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 
China's nowhere near buying most of the oil. In 10 years, that will
change....

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:43002112.6E080303@cox.net...
> You do realize China buy most of the oil, that's why we have to bid
> over sixty seven bucks a barrel. Wake UP!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, so the Saudis sell their oil to....




Lee Ayrton 08-16-2005 11:04 AM

No-lead foods WAS: Oil prices got you down?
 
It is thought by some that the chronic lead poisoning that is evident in
some Roman remains was caused by lead leaching into their wine and food
from lead storage and cooking vessels, and from lead-based medicines and
cosmetics. Lead plumbing or lead-based solder used in plumbing
contributes little to modern lead intake -- unless you disturb the pipes
and break the lime that has coated the inside.


Dave Milne wrote:
> I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It isn't
> a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 - he
> died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
>
>>What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned themselves
>>via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>>
>>
>>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>>
>>>"The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate
>>>greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of the
>>>destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as time
>>>or
>>>accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
>>>yielded
>>>to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple and
>>>obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed we
>>>should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long." [Gibbon,
>>>Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B. Bury
>>>(London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
>>>
>>>In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as the

>
> wolf
>
>>>at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another 500
>>>years
>>>? Every dog/wolf has their day !
>>>
>>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>>"Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
>>>news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET.. .
>>>
>>>>>>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a civilization

>
> is
>
>>>>>really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
>>>>>certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked a
>>>>>whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained their
>>>>>treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
>>>>
>>>>They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got fat

>
> and
>
>>>>lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
>>>
>>>powerhouse
>>>
>>>>that it was under Julius Caesar.
>>>
>>>

>>

>
>



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