Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

As your article said:
Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have caused
contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high
concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes, insulating
the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Just the entrance pipes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >
> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > > isn't
> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
> he
> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> themselves
> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> > >> > immoderate
> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
> the
> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> > >> > time
> > >> > or
> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > >> > yielded
> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
> and
> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
destroyed
> we
> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> [Gibbon,
> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> > >> > Bury
> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> > >> >
> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
the
> > > wolf
> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
> 500
> > >> > years
> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> > >> >
> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >> >
> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> civilization
> > > is
> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked
a
> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
> their
> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
fat
> > > and
> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > >> > powerhouse
> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

As your article said:
Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have caused
contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high
concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes, insulating
the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Just the entrance pipes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >
> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > > isn't
> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
> he
> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> themselves
> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> > >> > immoderate
> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
> the
> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> > >> > time
> > >> > or
> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > >> > yielded
> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
> and
> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
destroyed
> we
> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> [Gibbon,
> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> > >> > Bury
> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> > >> >
> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
the
> > > wolf
> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
> 500
> > >> > years
> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> > >> >
> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >> >
> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> civilization
> > > is
> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked
a
> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
> their
> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
fat
> > > and
> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > >> > powerhouse
> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

As your article said:
Hodge (1981) has correctly pointed out that lead pipes would not have caused
contamination for two reasons: (1) because the Roman water contained high
concentrations of calcium which formed deposits inside the pipes, insulating
the lead and (2) because lead will never greatly affect running water.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Just the entrance pipes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
> > Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
> >
> > http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
> > > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
> > > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
> > > isn't
> > > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
> > > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
> > > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
> he
> > > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
> > >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> themselves
> > >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> > >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
> > >> > immoderate
> > >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
> the
> > >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
> > >> > time
> > >> > or
> > >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
> > >> > yielded
> > >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
> and
> > >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was
destroyed
> we
> > >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> [Gibbon,
> > >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
> > >> > Bury
> > >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
> > >> >
> > >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
the
> > > wolf
> > >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
> 500
> > >> > years
> > >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
> > >> >
> > >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >> >
> > >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> > >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
> > >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> civilization
> > > is
> > >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
> > >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked
a
> > >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
> their
> > >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
> > >> >>
> > >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
fat
> > > and
> > >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
> > >> > powerhouse
> > >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:YXFLe.183$7R.5422@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I want names dude..? you made a lame ass claim that anyone who works in
>aviation knows is greatly false, let alone people who know nothing about
>planes.. so again which airlines are using jet fuel in their ramp vehicles?
>
> Snow...

As far as I know, they used coloured (dyed) diesel fuel at 0% road tax. Also
known as farm fuel. The same fuel that trucking companies use for their
shunt trucks, refer units and gen-sets.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:YXFLe.183$7R.5422@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I want names dude..? you made a lame ass claim that anyone who works in
>aviation knows is greatly false, let alone people who know nothing about
>planes.. so again which airlines are using jet fuel in their ramp vehicles?
>
> Snow...

As far as I know, they used coloured (dyed) diesel fuel at 0% road tax. Also
known as farm fuel. The same fuel that trucking companies use for their
shunt trucks, refer units and gen-sets.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:YXFLe.183$7R.5422@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I want names dude..? you made a lame ass claim that anyone who works in
>aviation knows is greatly false, let alone people who know nothing about
>planes.. so again which airlines are using jet fuel in their ramp vehicles?
>
> Snow...

As far as I know, they used coloured (dyed) diesel fuel at 0% road tax. Also
known as farm fuel. The same fuel that trucking companies use for their
shunt trucks, refer units and gen-sets.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

"Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:YXFLe.183$7R.5422@news20.bellglobal.com...
>I want names dude..? you made a lame ass claim that anyone who works in
>aviation knows is greatly false, let alone people who know nothing about
>planes.. so again which airlines are using jet fuel in their ramp vehicles?
>
> Snow...

As far as I know, they used coloured (dyed) diesel fuel at 0% road tax. Also
known as farm fuel. The same fuel that trucking companies use for their
shunt trucks, refer units and gen-sets.

-Brian

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

The city mains are probably steel or cast iron. If you let the water tap
run for a few seconds you will flush out the lead contaminated water.



"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Just the entrance pipes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
>> Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>>
>> http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>> > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
>> > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
>> > isn't
>> > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
>> > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
>> > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
> he
>> > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >
>> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
>> >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> themselves
>> >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
>> >> > immoderate
>> >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
> the
>> >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
>> >> > time
>> >> > or
>> >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
>> >> > yielded
>> >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
> and
>> >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed
> we
>> >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> [Gibbon,
>> >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
>> >> > Bury
>> >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
>> >> >
>> >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
>> >> > the
>> > wolf
>> >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
> 500
>> >> > years
>> >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> civilization
>> > is
>> >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
>> >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
> their
>> >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
>> >> >> fat
>> > and
>> >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
>> >> > powerhouse
>> >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

The city mains are probably steel or cast iron. If you let the water tap
run for a few seconds you will flush out the lead contaminated water.



"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Just the entrance pipes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
>> Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>>
>> http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>> > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
>> > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
>> > isn't
>> > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
>> > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
>> > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
> he
>> > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >
>> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
>> >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> themselves
>> >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
>> >> > immoderate
>> >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
> the
>> >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
>> >> > time
>> >> > or
>> >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
>> >> > yielded
>> >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
> and
>> >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed
> we
>> >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> [Gibbon,
>> >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
>> >> > Bury
>> >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
>> >> >
>> >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
>> >> > the
>> > wolf
>> >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
> 500
>> >> > years
>> >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> civilization
>> > is
>> >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
>> >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
> their
>> >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
>> >> >> fat
>> > and
>> >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
>> >> > powerhouse
>> >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

The city mains are probably steel or cast iron. If you let the water tap
run for a few seconds you will flush out the lead contaminated water.



"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:NlYLe.89220$G8.13859@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
> Just the entrance pipes.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:5cf08$42ffff43$42a1cc8c$6643@FUSE.NET...
>> Are all the pipes lead or just the entrance pipes?
>>
>> http://www.waterhistory.org/histories/rome/
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> news:poKLe.88801$G8.352@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk ...
>> > I'm not sure if you are serious or not :-)
>> > I have lead pipes in my house - they have been there for 70 years. It
>> > isn't
>> > a problem now as the minerals in the water have leached out to form an
>> > internal coating just as your kettle furs up over time in 'hard water'
>> > areas. My grandfather and grandmother lived in that house since 1934 -
> he
>> > died aged 96, and she is still going strong at 91.
>> >
>> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >
>> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> > news:6f4bd$42ff63fe$42a1cc8c$25528@FUSE.NET...
>> >> What about the recent theory that the affluent slowly poisoned
> themselves
>> >> via the lead pipes they used for all their plumbing?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>> >> news:lKHLe.88730$G8.30203@text.news.blueyonder.co. uk...
>> >> > "The decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of
>> >> > immoderate
>> >> > greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the cause of
> the
>> >> > destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and, as soon as
>> >> > time
>> >> > or
>> >> > accident and removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric
>> >> > yielded
>> >> > to the pressure of its own weight. The story of the ruin is simple
> and
>> >> > obvious: and instead of inquiring why the Roman Empire was destroyed
> we
>> >> > should rather be surprised that it has subsisted for so long."
> [Gibbon,
>> >> > Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, 2nd ed., vol. 4, ed. by J. B.
>> >> > Bury
>> >> > (London, 1909), pp. 173-174.]
>> >> >
>> >> > In other words, the wolf at the top of the hill is not as keen as
>> >> > the
>> > wolf
>> >> > at the bottom. Do you think America will be the top dog in another
> 500
>> >> > years
>> >> > ? Every dog/wolf has their day !
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave Milne, Scotland
>> >> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>> >> >
>> >> > "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:7379e$42ff4460$453deea8$10145@FUSE.NET...
>> >> >> >>From what I history I have read, the decline of many a
> civilization
>> > is
>> >> >> > really caused by the destruction of the middle class. That was
>> >> >> > certainly true in the decline of the Roman Empire. They kicked
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > whole lot of butt in the known world and it eventually drained
> their
>> >> >> > treasury dry trying to defend their over stressed borders..
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>> >> >> They also developed a welfare system, started having orgies, got
>> >> >> fat
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>> >> >> lazy... By the time Rome fell, it wasn't even close to being the
>> >> > powerhouse
>> >> >> that it was under Julius Caesar.
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