So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with disposing of the stuff the
way we have pretty much always done it just being sure that critters
can't get to it... as in a hole in the ground.

Jeff DeWitt

billy ray wrote:
> Ethylene Glycol degrades quickly as opposed to the child/pet safe stuff that
> degrades slowly and therefore stays toxic longer..
>
> Getting the stuff you should use will run about $30-$35 if you use the
> correct brand.
>
> As far as complexity..... if you know how to turn a screw and operate a
> garden hose you will have no problem changing your coolant.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dTzZg.4313$vK.3130@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
>
>>What happens if you just pour the stuff in a hole in the ground? Is
>>ethylene glycol some kind of super stable substance that lasts forever or
>>does it break down?
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>>You also have to figure in the cost of disposal. Some localities charge
>>>for
>>>this. Some apparently don't have any (legal) way to get rid of it.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:4536717B.2E418FEA@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>That is 'so' hard to give a straight faced answer to, knowing your
>>>>'mechanic' and your mechanical ability....
>>>>
>>>>It is messy. You will have to collect the poison liquid that comes out
>>>>and recycle it. You will have to unhook hoses and crawl under to get
>>>>the engine block drain to do it properly and you will have to get it all
>>>>back together right.
>>>>
>>>>To refill it you need to add half the system's volume in pure
>>>>antifreeze, then top the rest up with distilled water to get a 50/50
>>>>mix. If you want colder weather protection, then add 60% or at the max
>>>>70% pure first. You have to add pure coolant first because a lot of
>>>>water will be trapped in the cooling system and engine block so if you
>>>>ad a premix it won't be good enough.
>>>>
>>>>'Normally' I would say go with the $40.00, but not in this
>>>>circumstance....
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>NJPainter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So I can do the flush myself?
>>>>>Mechanic said he can do it for 40$.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

 

So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with disposing of the stuff the
way we have pretty much always done it just being sure that critters
can't get to it... as in a hole in the ground.

Jeff DeWitt

billy ray wrote:
> Ethylene Glycol degrades quickly as opposed to the child/pet safe stuff that
> degrades slowly and therefore stays toxic longer..
>
> Getting the stuff you should use will run about $30-$35 if you use the
> correct brand.
>
> As far as complexity..... if you know how to turn a screw and operate a
> garden hose you will have no problem changing your coolant.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dTzZg.4313$vK.3130@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
>
>>What happens if you just pour the stuff in a hole in the ground? Is
>>ethylene glycol some kind of super stable substance that lasts forever or
>>does it break down?
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>>You also have to figure in the cost of disposal. Some localities charge
>>>for
>>>this. Some apparently don't have any (legal) way to get rid of it.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:4536717B.2E418FEA@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>That is 'so' hard to give a straight faced answer to, knowing your
>>>>'mechanic' and your mechanical ability....
>>>>
>>>>It is messy. You will have to collect the poison liquid that comes out
>>>>and recycle it. You will have to unhook hoses and crawl under to get
>>>>the engine block drain to do it properly and you will have to get it all
>>>>back together right.
>>>>
>>>>To refill it you need to add half the system's volume in pure
>>>>antifreeze, then top the rest up with distilled water to get a 50/50
>>>>mix. If you want colder weather protection, then add 60% or at the max
>>>>70% pure first. You have to add pure coolant first because a lot of
>>>>water will be trapped in the cooling system and engine block so if you
>>>>ad a premix it won't be good enough.
>>>>
>>>>'Normally' I would say go with the $40.00, but not in this
>>>>circumstance....
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>NJPainter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So I can do the flush myself?
>>>>>Mechanic said he can do it for 40$.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

 

So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with disposing of the stuff the
way we have pretty much always done it just being sure that critters
can't get to it... as in a hole in the ground.

Jeff DeWitt

billy ray wrote:
> Ethylene Glycol degrades quickly as opposed to the child/pet safe stuff that
> degrades slowly and therefore stays toxic longer..
>
> Getting the stuff you should use will run about $30-$35 if you use the
> correct brand.
>
> As far as complexity..... if you know how to turn a screw and operate a
> garden hose you will have no problem changing your coolant.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:dTzZg.4313$vK.3130@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
>
>>What happens if you just pour the stuff in a hole in the ground? Is
>>ethylene glycol some kind of super stable substance that lasts forever or
>>does it break down?
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>>You also have to figure in the cost of disposal. Some localities charge
>>>for
>>>this. Some apparently don't have any (legal) way to get rid of it.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:4536717B.2E418FEA@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>
>>>>That is 'so' hard to give a straight faced answer to, knowing your
>>>>'mechanic' and your mechanical ability....
>>>>
>>>>It is messy. You will have to collect the poison liquid that comes out
>>>>and recycle it. You will have to unhook hoses and crawl under to get
>>>>the engine block drain to do it properly and you will have to get it all
>>>>back together right.
>>>>
>>>>To refill it you need to add half the system's volume in pure
>>>>antifreeze, then top the rest up with distilled water to get a 50/50
>>>>mix. If you want colder weather protection, then add 60% or at the max
>>>>70% pure first. You have to add pure coolant first because a lot of
>>>>water will be trapped in the cooling system and engine block so if you
>>>>ad a premix it won't be good enough.
>>>>
>>>>'Normally' I would say go with the $40.00, but not in this
>>>>circumstance....
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>NJPainter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So I can do the flush myself?
>>>>>Mechanic said he can do it for 40$.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

 

Mike Romain wrote:

> Interesting about the fram oil filter.....
>
> I put one in last oil change and had a lifter noise happen on start up.
> I was just thinking the engine was showing it's age until I read earlier
> this summer about the fram filters and start up noise issue.
>
> So I changed the oil and filter last week and put a different brand of
> filter in and wow! The first start had the valve train rattle like
> 'normal', but that was the only one. It now starts up quiet.
>
> That is the last Fram filter for me thanks!

The anti-drainback valves in Fram products don't work very well, which
is another reason to avoid them.

I once sold a nice station wagon when I was young and dumb because of
'start-up clatter'; the mechanic told me it was the timing chain and
other expensive things, and that I should get rid of it pronto. The new
owner knew the cause, and immediately changed out the FRAM filter with a
different brand. All the start-up noise stopped and he was happy as
hell with his purchase.

Nope, no more junk Fram products for me either. If everyone knew how
bad this stuff really was, the company would just dry up and blow away.

 

Mike Romain wrote:

> Interesting about the fram oil filter.....
>
> I put one in last oil change and had a lifter noise happen on start up.
> I was just thinking the engine was showing it's age until I read earlier
> this summer about the fram filters and start up noise issue.
>
> So I changed the oil and filter last week and put a different brand of
> filter in and wow! The first start had the valve train rattle like
> 'normal', but that was the only one. It now starts up quiet.
>
> That is the last Fram filter for me thanks!

The anti-drainback valves in Fram products don't work very well, which
is another reason to avoid them.

I once sold a nice station wagon when I was young and dumb because of
'start-up clatter'; the mechanic told me it was the timing chain and
other expensive things, and that I should get rid of it pronto. The new
owner knew the cause, and immediately changed out the FRAM filter with a
different brand. All the start-up noise stopped and he was happy as
hell with his purchase.

Nope, no more junk Fram products for me either. If everyone knew how
bad this stuff really was, the company would just dry up and blow away.

 

Mike Romain wrote:

> Interesting about the fram oil filter.....
>
> I put one in last oil change and had a lifter noise happen on start up.
> I was just thinking the engine was showing it's age until I read earlier
> this summer about the fram filters and start up noise issue.
>
> So I changed the oil and filter last week and put a different brand of
> filter in and wow! The first start had the valve train rattle like
> 'normal', but that was the only one. It now starts up quiet.
>
> That is the last Fram filter for me thanks!

The anti-drainback valves in Fram products don't work very well, which
is another reason to avoid them.

I once sold a nice station wagon when I was young and dumb because of
'start-up clatter'; the mechanic told me it was the timing chain and
other expensive things, and that I should get rid of it pronto. The new
owner knew the cause, and immediately changed out the FRAM filter with a
different brand. All the start-up noise stopped and he was happy as
hell with his purchase.

Nope, no more junk Fram products for me either. If everyone knew how
bad this stuff really was, the company would just dry up and blow away.

 

Now..... I wouldn't publicly recommend that action, it would be a no no
according to someone who could make me crankier than I normally am...


"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:nsCZg.4624$vK.497@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with disposing of the stuff the
> way we have pretty much always done it just being sure that critters can't
> get to it... as in a hole in the ground.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> Ethylene Glycol degrades quickly as opposed to the child/pet safe stuff
>> that degrades slowly and therefore stays toxic longer..
>>
>> Getting the stuff you should use will run about $30-$35 if you use the
>> correct brand.
>>
>> As far as complexity..... if you know how to turn a screw and operate a
>> garden hose you will have no problem changing your coolant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:dTzZg.4313$vK.3130@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
>>
>>>What happens if you just pour the stuff in a hole in the ground? Is
>>>ethylene glycol some kind of super stable substance that lasts forever or
>>>does it break down?
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>>You also have to figure in the cost of disposal. Some localities charge
>>>>for
>>>>this. Some apparently don't have any (legal) way to get rid of it.
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:4536717B.2E418FEA@sympatico.ca...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That is 'so' hard to give a straight faced answer to, knowing your
>>>>>'mechanic' and your mechanical ability....
>>>>>
>>>>>It is messy. You will have to collect the poison liquid that comes out
>>>>>and recycle it. You will have to unhook hoses and crawl under to get
>>>>>the engine block drain to do it properly and you will have to get it
>>>>>all
>>>>>back together right.
>>>>>
>>>>>To refill it you need to add half the system's volume in pure
>>>>>antifreeze, then top the rest up with distilled water to get a 50/50
>>>>>mix. If you want colder weather protection, then add 60% or at the max
>>>>>70% pure first. You have to add pure coolant first because a lot of
>>>>>water will be trapped in the cooling system and engine block so if you
>>>>>ad a premix it won't be good enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>'Normally' I would say go with the $40.00, but not in this
>>>>>circumstance....
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>
>>>>>NJPainter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>So I can do the flush myself?
>>>>>>Mechanic said he can do it for 40$.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

 

Now..... I wouldn't publicly recommend that action, it would be a no no
according to someone who could make me crankier than I normally am...


"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:nsCZg.4624$vK.497@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with disposing of the stuff the
> way we have pretty much always done it just being sure that critters can't
> get to it... as in a hole in the ground.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> Ethylene Glycol degrades quickly as opposed to the child/pet safe stuff
>> that degrades slowly and therefore stays toxic longer..
>>
>> Getting the stuff you should use will run about $30-$35 if you use the
>> correct brand.
>>
>> As far as complexity..... if you know how to turn a screw and operate a
>> garden hose you will have no problem changing your coolant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:dTzZg.4313$vK.3130@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
>>
>>>What happens if you just pour the stuff in a hole in the ground? Is
>>>ethylene glycol some kind of super stable substance that lasts forever or
>>>does it break down?
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>>You also have to figure in the cost of disposal. Some localities charge
>>>>for
>>>>this. Some apparently don't have any (legal) way to get rid of it.
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:4536717B.2E418FEA@sympatico.ca...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That is 'so' hard to give a straight faced answer to, knowing your
>>>>>'mechanic' and your mechanical ability....
>>>>>
>>>>>It is messy. You will have to collect the poison liquid that comes out
>>>>>and recycle it. You will have to unhook hoses and crawl under to get
>>>>>the engine block drain to do it properly and you will have to get it
>>>>>all
>>>>>back together right.
>>>>>
>>>>>To refill it you need to add half the system's volume in pure
>>>>>antifreeze, then top the rest up with distilled water to get a 50/50
>>>>>mix. If you want colder weather protection, then add 60% or at the max
>>>>>70% pure first. You have to add pure coolant first because a lot of
>>>>>water will be trapped in the cooling system and engine block so if you
>>>>>ad a premix it won't be good enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>'Normally' I would say go with the $40.00, but not in this
>>>>>circumstance....
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>
>>>>>NJPainter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>So I can do the flush myself?
>>>>>>Mechanic said he can do it for 40$.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

 

Now..... I wouldn't publicly recommend that action, it would be a no no
according to someone who could make me crankier than I normally am...


"Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:nsCZg.4624$vK.497@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
> So it sounds like there is nothing wrong with disposing of the stuff the
> way we have pretty much always done it just being sure that critters can't
> get to it... as in a hole in the ground.
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> billy ray wrote:
>> Ethylene Glycol degrades quickly as opposed to the child/pet safe stuff
>> that degrades slowly and therefore stays toxic longer..
>>
>> Getting the stuff you should use will run about $30-$35 if you use the
>> correct brand.
>>
>> As far as complexity..... if you know how to turn a screw and operate a
>> garden hose you will have no problem changing your coolant.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:dTzZg.4313$vK.3130@tornado.southeast.rr.com.. .
>>
>>>What happens if you just pour the stuff in a hole in the ground? Is
>>>ethylene glycol some kind of super stable substance that lasts forever or
>>>does it break down?
>>>
>>>Jeff DeWitt
>>>
>>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>>
>>>>You also have to figure in the cost of disposal. Some localities charge
>>>>for
>>>>this. Some apparently don't have any (legal) way to get rid of it.
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:4536717B.2E418FEA@sympatico.ca...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>That is 'so' hard to give a straight faced answer to, knowing your
>>>>>'mechanic' and your mechanical ability....
>>>>>
>>>>>It is messy. You will have to collect the poison liquid that comes out
>>>>>and recycle it. You will have to unhook hoses and crawl under to get
>>>>>the engine block drain to do it properly and you will have to get it
>>>>>all
>>>>>back together right.
>>>>>
>>>>>To refill it you need to add half the system's volume in pure
>>>>>antifreeze, then top the rest up with distilled water to get a 50/50
>>>>>mix. If you want colder weather protection, then add 60% or at the max
>>>>>70% pure first. You have to add pure coolant first because a lot of
>>>>>water will be trapped in the cooling system and engine block so if you
>>>>>ad a premix it won't be good enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>'Normally' I would say go with the $40.00, but not in this
>>>>>circumstance....
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>
>>>>>NJPainter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>So I can do the flush myself?
>>>>>>Mechanic said he can do it for 40$.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

 

Hi Matt,
I don't use a chemical, unless I see rust, which never happens to
me on a two year schedule, just pull a heater hose to back flush that
area, with a garden hose, opening all drains and run it for a couple of
minutes. And it should completely drain.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Just curious, would a flush & fill kit be OK to use as long as you get all
> the flush water out? I have well water with all kinds of minerals in it. Or
> should I rig up a way to flush with distilled water?