Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I can tell you on the Ford V10 the Mobil 1 filters do drain back, so I
switched to Motorcraft filters and that cured the startup noise.

I use Motocrafts in both Jeeps now as well, and in the Excursion diesel,
which uses a replacement-element type filter. I'd haven't done a whole lot
of looking around but I'd like to find a cheaper source for those filters,
they are usually 18-20 bucks apiece.

Matt

"randallbrink@mac.com" <randallbrink@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171227890.274753.173980@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
>> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
>> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
>> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear
>> factor.
>>
>> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
>> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
>> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>>
>> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
>> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
>> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
>> > results.
>>
>> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
>> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
>> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
>> > things.
>>
>> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>
> My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
> NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
> this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
> which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
> more dense filtration system.
>
> I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
> everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
> done with it. Price is not an issue.
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I can tell you on the Ford V10 the Mobil 1 filters do drain back, so I
switched to Motorcraft filters and that cured the startup noise.

I use Motocrafts in both Jeeps now as well, and in the Excursion diesel,
which uses a replacement-element type filter. I'd haven't done a whole lot
of looking around but I'd like to find a cheaper source for those filters,
they are usually 18-20 bucks apiece.

Matt

"randallbrink@mac.com" <randallbrink@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171227890.274753.173980@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
>> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
>> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
>> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear
>> factor.
>>
>> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
>> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
>> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>>
>> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
>> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
>> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
>> > results.
>>
>> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
>> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
>> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
>> > things.
>>
>> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>
> My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
> NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
> this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
> which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
> more dense filtration system.
>
> I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
> everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
> done with it. Price is not an issue.
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I can tell you on the Ford V10 the Mobil 1 filters do drain back, so I
switched to Motorcraft filters and that cured the startup noise.

I use Motocrafts in both Jeeps now as well, and in the Excursion diesel,
which uses a replacement-element type filter. I'd haven't done a whole lot
of looking around but I'd like to find a cheaper source for those filters,
they are usually 18-20 bucks apiece.

Matt

"randallbrink@mac.com" <randallbrink@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171227890.274753.173980@j27g2000cwj.googlegr oups.com...
> On Feb 11, 8:50 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
>> cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
>> all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
>> unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear
>> factor.
>>
>> I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
>> run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
>> the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.
>>
>> Changed the filter and all the noise went away.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
>> > I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
>> > little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
>> > results.
>>
>> > I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
>> > products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
>> > data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
>> > things.
>>
>> > Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>
> My '84 Grand Wagoneer is my third one. It is about 228K miles. I use
> NAPA Gold oil and air filters. I haven't used a FRAM filter in years,
> this because I saw a cut-away display of the filters (in a NAPA store)
> which appeared to illustrate that the NAPA filters employed a much
> more dense filtration system.
>
> I would be happy to hear of any dissenting view on this, as like
> everyone else here, I would just like to find the best filter and be
> done with it. Price is not an issue.
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!

I use AC Delco oil filters. A few more dollars for the benefit of my Jeep is worth it.

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!

I use AC Delco oil filters. A few more dollars for the benefit of my Jeep is worth it.

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!

I use AC Delco oil filters. A few more dollars for the benefit of my Jeep is worth it.

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!

I use AC Delco oil filters. A few more dollars for the benefit of my Jeep is worth it.

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

They are cheaper than Fram filters to boot!

"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:F-OdnVR2r_9ckE3YnZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
>> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
>> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
>> on the side of my Jeep!
>
> I use AC Delco oil filters. A few more dollars for the benefit of my Jeep
> is worth it.

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

They are cheaper than Fram filters to boot!

"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:F-OdnVR2r_9ckE3YnZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
>> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
>> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
>> on the side of my Jeep!
>
> I use AC Delco oil filters. A few more dollars for the benefit of my Jeep
> is worth it.

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

They are cheaper than Fram filters to boot!

"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:F-OdnVR2r_9ckE3YnZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@comcast.com...
>> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
>> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
>> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
>> on the side of my Jeep!
>
> I use AC Delco oil filters. A few more dollars for the benefit of my Jeep
> is worth it.