Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
results.

I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
things.

Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
results.

I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
things.

Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
results.

I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
things.

Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>