Oil Filter Info
 

I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
alreay made the rounds.

Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
following it's linked pages!

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html

If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!

Good Reading, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> alreay made the rounds.
>
> Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> following it's linked pages!
>
> http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>
> If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>
> Good Reading, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
in oil filters this month.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>
> Mike
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> > alreay made the rounds.
> >
> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> > following it's linked pages!
> >
> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
> >
> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
> >
> > Good Reading, Bruce
> >

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
in oil filters this month.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>
> Mike
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> > alreay made the rounds.
> >
> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> > following it's linked pages!
> >
> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
> >
> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
> >
> > Good Reading, Bruce
> >

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
in oil filters this month.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>
> Mike
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> > alreay made the rounds.
> >
> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> > following it's linked pages!
> >
> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
> >
> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
> >
> > Good Reading, Bruce
> >

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
in oil filters this month.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>
> Mike
>
> Highcountry wrote:
> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
> > alreay made the rounds.
> >
> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
> > following it's linked pages!
> >
> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
> >
> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
> >
> > Good Reading, Bruce
> >

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
results.

I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
things.

Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
results.

I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
things.

Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
results.

I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
things.

Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
results.

I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
things.

Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Yep that filter study has been around all oil filters meet manufacturer
design; like out autos it is preferential and makes us feel better good, bad
or indifferent.

Coasty

"Earle Horton" <gracioso@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45cf3ddb$0$21708$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Also, anyone transparently trying to scrounge up hits for his web site is
> maybe half a step above spammer. This is a "discussion forum" and the guy
> didn't even hang around long enough to find out if we were even interested
> in oil filters this month.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45cf3ac7$0$6637$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> That -------- 'study' has been debunked for years as 'pseudo science' on
>> the tech groups, no need to read it or hash it out here.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Highcountry wrote:
>> > I am new around this discussion, so forgive me if this information has
>> > alreay made the rounds.
>> >
>> > Whenever I am around car people, folks are always arguing about oil
>> > filters. If you have an interest in learning more than you ever
>> > wanted to know, spend some time (lot's of time) reading this post and
>> > following it's linked pages!
>> >
>> > http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oil...y-updates.html
>> >
>> > If you will follow this fellows suggestions about chopping up a few
>> > samples, you will be a believer! And you will NEVER go to one of
>> > those "oil changer" places or Wally-Mart automotive again!
>> >
>> > Good Reading, Bruce
>> >
>
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

One thing we did decide and was noted in this group is that Fram filters
cause dry starts in Jeep engines. They drain out overnight and allow
all the passages to the valves to become empty. This makes for some
unsettling noises when starting in the morning, let alone the wear factor.

I thought I damaged my '78 258 engine last summer after a hard 3000 mile
run. Turns out I mistakenly used a Fram filter in the oil change after
the trip which was causing the 'collapsed lifter' noises on start.

Changed the filter and all the noise went away.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Highcountry wrote:
> I didn't expect any knowledable person to take that guys word for it,
> I certainly didn't. However, a person can take his lead and do a
> little research on their own and come up with some very valuable
> results.
>
> I myself have no "dog in the fight" except trying to find the best
> products for my own use. Anyone that doesn't have an open mind about
> data that contradicts their belief system is prone to miss a lot
> things.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
me they had "sold out".

What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
paranoid of "dry starts"!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171213097.433048.130240@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171213097.433048.130240@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1171213097.433048.130240@p10g2000cwp.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Fram has a bewildering array of filter price points, "Tough Guard", "Extra
Guard", "Super Guard" and I don't know how many others. Maybe some of them
keep their prime overnight, but who wants to risk his valve train to find
out? If it sits for a long time and goes a long time between oil and filter
changes, buy it something expensive like Mobil 1. Try the "weight test" if
you like. If it feels heavy at least they went to the trouble to put
something in there. Bosch has a good reputation and a decent middle of the
road price, but I'll bet they out source their filters.

Earle

"Highcountry" <highcountry2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
of times.
So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
on the side of my Jeep!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
of times.
So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
on the side of my Jeep!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
of times.
So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
on the side of my Jeep!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
of times.
So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
on the side of my Jeep!

Thanks, Bruce

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had my CJ7 for ten years now and normally buy the 'store brand'
filter at our Canadian Tire chain store. I have a mechanical oil
pressure gauge and always pay attention to cold starts and hot running
for pressure and have never had any issues with those filters. They are
'white' if that matters. I sometimes find they keep the colors of the
manufacturer on their store brand parts.

I was in a hurry that one day and bought the 'on sale' Fram filter
without thinking.

I too used to think of Fram as quality and started working on vehicles
in the 60's back when they were.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had my CJ7 for ten years now and normally buy the 'store brand'
filter at our Canadian Tire chain store. I have a mechanical oil
pressure gauge and always pay attention to cold starts and hot running
for pressure and have never had any issues with those filters. They are
'white' if that matters. I sometimes find they keep the colors of the
manufacturer on their store brand parts.

I was in a hurry that one day and bought the 'on sale' Fram filter
without thinking.

I too used to think of Fram as quality and started working on vehicles
in the 60's back when they were.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had my CJ7 for ten years now and normally buy the 'store brand'
filter at our Canadian Tire chain store. I have a mechanical oil
pressure gauge and always pay attention to cold starts and hot running
for pressure and have never had any issues with those filters. They are
'white' if that matters. I sometimes find they keep the colors of the
manufacturer on their store brand parts.

I was in a hurry that one day and bought the 'on sale' Fram filter
without thinking.

I too used to think of Fram as quality and started working on vehicles
in the 60's back when they were.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

I have had my CJ7 for ten years now and normally buy the 'store brand'
filter at our Canadian Tire chain store. I have a mechanical oil
pressure gauge and always pay attention to cold starts and hot running
for pressure and have never had any issues with those filters. They are
'white' if that matters. I sometimes find they keep the colors of the
manufacturer on their store brand parts.

I was in a hurry that one day and bought the 'on sale' Fram filter
without thinking.

I too used to think of Fram as quality and started working on vehicles
in the 60's back when they were.

Mike

Highcountry wrote:
> Mike, that has been my experience with Fram as well. I had to change
> my mind due to the fact that when I started my love of machinery in
> 1969, Fram was a top line product. It took some convincing to show
> me they had "sold out".
>
> What is your recommended brand of filter to hold it's prime? My CJ
> sometimes sits for a couple of weeks without being started and I am
> paranoid of "dry starts"!
>
> Thanks, Bruce
>

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Highcountry wrote:
> I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
> of times.
> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!

Put a shiny chrome cover on it then. :) I think PepBoys has those in the
rice section.

The ultimate answer is an electric oil pump or pressure resevoir to
prelube the engine prior to firing it up.

I've had good luck with either the stock DC filter (which happens when
I get a low cost oil change coupon) or the Purolator Pure One when I
do it myself.

And it's time to change the oil again. Gonna wait till the weather
gets a bit better and check the Sunday ads for specials.

--
DougW

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Highcountry wrote:
> I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
> of times.
> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!

Put a shiny chrome cover on it then. :) I think PepBoys has those in the
rice section.

The ultimate answer is an electric oil pump or pressure resevoir to
prelube the engine prior to firing it up.

I've had good luck with either the stock DC filter (which happens when
I get a low cost oil change coupon) or the Purolator Pure One when I
do it myself.

And it's time to change the oil again. Gonna wait till the weather
gets a bit better and check the Sunday ads for specials.

--
DougW

Re: Oil Filter Info
 

Highcountry wrote:
> I have had mine do the "dry start" with a Wix also, but only a couple
> of times.
> So I am pretty much at a loss for finding the ultimate answer. The
> only one I have not ever had cause a "dry start" is the Motorcraft,
> but darn I hate to raise the hood and see a dang FoMoCo filter hanging
> on the side of my Jeep!

Put a shiny chrome cover on it then. :) I think PepBoys has those in the
rice section.

The ultimate answer is an electric oil pump or pressure resevoir to
prelube the engine prior to firing it up.

I've had good luck with either the stock DC filter (which happens when
I get a low cost oil change coupon) or the Purolator Pure One when I
do it myself.

And it's time to change the oil again. Gonna wait till the weather
gets a bit better and check the Sunday ads for specials.

--
DougW